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Can anyone link me or explain this conspiracy theory (I'm not a conspiracy theorist) posted before about now exDP getting worse and worse

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Whyyyyyyyohhhhhwhyyyyyy · 31/12/2021 11:44

Hey guys me again

Im wondering if any of you can explain the AI sentinent/plant/humans being turned in AI conspiracy theory

My now EXDP believes this wholeheartedly and I want to know what I'm up against in terms of whether my concern and worry is over the top or I'm right to be worried. I cannot find ANYTHING on Google about this particular theory.

We broke up yesterday, he's now trying to upset and hurt me verbally with the name calling/derogatory comments and stuff he posts on social media.

I feel I need to know what I'm up against before anymore decisions can be made. I've applied for talking therapy for myself to break the bonds and have a professional to offload my worries and concerns about this too. I'm now back waking up with anxiety and feeling out of sorts because of the verbal abuse which will undoubtedly continue for the next few days.

I'm done trying to help but I feel I need to join a support forum for those of us who have lost our partners to conspiracy theories and speak to people who truly understand the gravity of this loss/situation and what comes next etc if that makes sense. I feel alone in this because most people I know have never (thankfully) been in this situation.

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thecatfromjapan · 31/12/2021 12:41

The problem is that you say you know he is dangerously unwell, not safe, etc. - but what you are doing is not in line with that supposed knowledge you say you have.

The way you are acting, what you areE choosing to do, is not what you need to do to keep yourself safe.

You say you know he is seriously mentally unwell - but you are still in conversation with him.

That is both pointless and not the action that flows from a recognition of how seriously unwell he is.

You are acting as though he is a person you can have some kind of conversation with, or whose actions you can exert some control over.

That isn't the situation here.

You can't have a relationship with him. Not even a conversational relationship.

The only relationship he needs at the moment is a professional, therapeutic one.

And it sounds as though it is beyond your control to effect that.

So all you can do is get yourself as far away as possible.

SantaHat · 31/12/2021 12:41

I'm not looking to enable, I'm looking to know about it so I can make sure the DC and myself are safe.

But there is nothing to “know about it” because it’s all part of his mental collapse. And you and the DC are categorically NOT safe because this man is desperately mentally unwell. There is no rationality to his behaviour, nothing is predictable or off the cards here.
I know this must be very hard for you but I beg you to step up and do something to protect your kids. You are not doing so like this. They are vulnerable and exposed to a deeply upsetting and potentially dangerous environment.

me4real · 31/12/2021 12:44

It mightn't be a well known conspiracy theory @Whyyyyyyyohhhhhwhyyyyyy , allthough no doubt some conspiracy theorist believe it.

But it is a very, very common belief among people with psychosis.

The belief that family members have been replaced by entities that are not real, or out to get them.

It's also part of paranoia, people are out to harm him etc. Which again is very common with psychosis.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capgras_delusion

EarthSight · 31/12/2021 12:46

I remember you posting before and I commented on that thread.

I don't think you're helping yourself here.

he believes his parents have become AI

This isn't even a conspiracy theory. He is slipping into delusional paranoia. People who truly believe what they believe will speak with incredible conviction - this is how some cult leaders are able to gather followers. You had to stand very firm in the face of this and not even argue with it or give it oxygen.

For your children's safety, you need to separate them from him until he gets help. You are exposing them to a very mentally ill person who could be a danger to them, and at the moment I don't think you are taking this as seriously as you should.

NailSaloon · 31/12/2021 12:55

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GoodPrincessWenceslas · 31/12/2021 12:59

Basically I feel like I need to at least know about what this belief is and how dangerous it could potentially become, and if not this one becoming dangerous what if the next one does? (He's believed/believes in several conspiracy theories) each one progressively getting worse.

This one I'm particularly worried about is he believes his parents have become AI and he hasn't quite decided whether I'm one or not yet.

Don't waste time trying to find out about it, just work on the basis of assuming the worst. Face it, if you've split it up it's virtually inevitable that he will decide you are part of the conspiracy, and you are never going to understand it because there is no logic in paranoia.

I do agree that this looks like full blown mental illness, and you need to follow the advice upthread.

Whyyyyyyyohhhhhwhyyyyyy · 31/12/2021 13:02

@NailSaloon are you a conspiracy theorist?
My ex believes the vaccines are the mark of the beast. Those who have had the vaccine will die when Satan comes to rule the earth.

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Yummypumpkin · 31/12/2021 13:05

I'm so pleased to read such good and consistent advice.

I can only echo:

This man would seem to be suffering from a severe mental illness of the kind associated often with harm to self and harm to others, including murder, if unmedicated

You may need to read about the process for sectioning

If you refuse to remove your children from him, both you and they must have phones charged and in signal to hand at all times

This will not get better.

knittingaddict · 31/12/2021 13:06

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 31/12/2021 13:07

I don’t think these are conspiracy theories. These sound like paranoid delusions which are a symptom of serious mental illness. I don’t think researching the theories is enough to keep your DC safe, if he believed he was Jesus would you just be brushing up on your understanding of the Bible?

He needs professional support. Until he receives that I would be reporting my concerns to social services and not letting him see the DC unless supervised.

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NailSaloon · 31/12/2021 13:10

So thinking that your parents, and possibly your wife, have been replaced by AI is a belief and something that you can have a debate about?

He sounds super scared to me, and new to a subject he doesn't fully understand.

Whyyyyyyyohhhhhwhyyyyyy · 31/12/2021 13:12

@NailSaloon your comments are not helpful.

Is it normal to believe your loved ones are artifical intelligence? This isn't about the other conspiracies he believes this is about one that is a textbook delusion and if this one doesn't cause him to harm himself or others WHAT IF the next delusion does?

I use the term conspiracy theories because all of the delusions STEM from them! For every delusion he had/has the concurring conspiracy theory has directly been linked to the delusion!

You are just as delusional apparently.

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knittingaddict · 31/12/2021 13:13

@NailSaloon

So thinking that your parents, and possibly your wife, have been replaced by AI is a belief and something that you can have a debate about?

He sounds super scared to me, and new to a subject he doesn't fully understand.

No he sounds psychotic and delusional and very ill. My mil was the same way for decades. I know what I'm talking about.
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Shedmistress · 31/12/2021 13:17

What are your options for keeping this man away from your kids?

Can you look into having him sectioned? What do his parents think of all this?

knittingaddict · 31/12/2021 13:18

@NailSaloon

We are living in strange times, you have people telling us men are women and we have lost so many rights from that and also from a pandemic, no wonder people are thrown off centre.
What on earth has transgender politics got to do with this? Answer - absolutely nothing.

You are not helping the op.

MadinMarch · 31/12/2021 13:19

If your intention is to seek to limit his contact with your DC due to concerns about his wellbeing and behaviour, you’ll need specialist legal advice, and limiting contact may well not be possible.

Alternatively, given your well founded concerns about his mental health, you could just refuse him contact with your dc and tell him to take you to court to contest it.
He will have to submit to psychiatric reports in that process, and your concerns will be fully aired.

I commented on your previous thread. He sounds very mentally unwell and unstable and you are right to protect your dc from him given his illogical, delusional and paranoid beliefs.

knittingaddict · 31/12/2021 13:19

@NailSaloon

Sounds like someone struggling from gaslighting and fear to me.
The husband is being gas lit? By whom? Fearful of what or who?
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SantaHat · 31/12/2021 13:20

Nailsaloon, your comments are deeply unhelpful to a poster whose husband is clearly in the midst of a mental breakdown. Please stop muddying the waters with your conspiracy theories and musings.

Gingernaut · 31/12/2021 13:21

What you're describing is Capgras' Delusion or Syndrome and it's bloody dangerous.

Believing that people have been replaced with imposters, aliens or robots could be a result of paranoid schizophrenia, a paranoid personality disorder or a head injury.

Either way, he might attack those he believes are imposters, not realising they are his real relatives.

He has become completely detached from reality.

www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/capgras-delusion

If his parents aren't attempting to get him medical help, you need to lock down, change the locks, don't let your children near him or his enabling parents and report your concerns to the police.