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anyones who's dp/dh left them for ow and still with them years down the line?

131 replies

pinguthepenguin · 18/12/2007 21:27

I've a couple of threads running about various aspects of splitting up and managing children etc.
Seem I may be indulging in a spot of self-torture here....but

Have any of you been left by your ex for another woman, and they are still with said woman years later, in love, more kids, all fluffy and happy?
I know things aren't always black and white....and sometimes you just fall in love with someone else...but generally speaking, do you think these things last? My ex wasn't a womaniser at all...quite the opposite in fact.

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mummyofaprincess · 19/12/2007 13:21

but if they was split up and lived seperate you wasn`t the other women

frostythesnowmum · 19/12/2007 15:16

I know what you mean robin my friend always says she'd never cheat on her dh (except perhaps with Jason Orange ) for that same reason - same shit different person.

HappyWoman · 19/12/2007 15:52

I wanted to pick up on something you said earier about society making it too easy to just walk away and not supporting the marriage. I think this a big failing of our society it is just so accepted with step parents half siblings everywhere.

It was easier (and almost as cheap) to get a solicitor than a counsellor when me and h had our problems - i got to see a solicitor within days but it was weeks to see a counsellor.

Too many peole think it is 'best' to split than stay and try and work things out.

To the person that said it is best for the children and they cope - i too think it is an easy cop-out and gives justification for people to just leave.

My h did not leave toatally and we are working things through now. The ow left her children for my h and now has nothing.

I do blame the ow because they already know about the wife, they already know he is capable of telling lies and they also know how to manipulate the whole situation. Men are so taken when shown some affection and attention and mistake this for the real thing.

Real woman/men do not need to 'steal' others partners - and it is only becuase they are afraid they would 'lose' if the stakes were even.

If these people really cared about each other they would try and help the marriage not just their own selfish needs.

Marriage is a sacrifice and it usually means the woman giving up so more as we do that with our children.

I consider my h affair as a massive mistake on his part but he was always a fantastic father and i am willing to give him a chance to make that up to us all now.

Hope this sort of answers you post and sorry for the rant.

mummyofaprincess · 19/12/2007 16:08

Happywoman i`m so glad that there was a happy ending to the situation you was in there truely was a light at the end of the tunnel there

I agree totally with everything you have said there

ScottishMummy · 19/12/2007 16:08

Pingu - howya doin?hope you and wee one are okay happy christmas dont dwell too much on your ex and the twinky, leave 'em to it. you just have a smashing time with LO and people who love you

pinguthepenguin · 19/12/2007 17:42

Hi scot- still dwelling, you're right. I'm just curious really about the potential success of relationships that are initially built on deceit. In my case both my ex and the ow believe firmly they did not cheat, as nothing physical had happened prior to his ending us. Sadly, there are some people who do believe that cheating is confined to the physical act, and so according to him, both of them are sleeing easy. This, I think is the crux of alot of my pain. There has been no backlash for him, no public 'ousting' per se. He has effectively, got away with it all, reputation intact, because he maintains his currrent stance that it 'wasn't cheating'.
So many of you have (quite rightly) told me to leave him to it, that at least I know the truth....but it is very difficult, because the smugness is evident in his face.

Thankyou all for your replies. As it stands, my ex is now spending his xmas with her and her child, while I go to my parents with our child. She has also taken ex along to her childs school nativity play. ( why would you do that already?????)

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TLV · 19/12/2007 17:43

My dh left 2 months ago, he judged me and our relationship and made assumptions without talking to me and then decided he didn't love me anymore, not sure if there is anyone else he has denied it from the onset but who knows, one thing is tho we have argued badly since he left partly because I've been unable to accept his decision to leave us. I think he copped out tbh and me and dd are dealing with the aftermath

TLV · 19/12/2007 17:45

Happywoman very well said, here here
I wish more people took your view (I know I do) I'm dh second wife what does that say.

pinguthepenguin · 19/12/2007 17:53

Happy woman, I agree.

If I had a penny for every time I've heard my exp justify his behaviour as 'its best for the baby'- i would be rich. He is just so textbook, its not true. Eg:

'I left you, not the baby'

' She'll grow up happier'

'Keep her out of it' ( When I attempt to speak about said baby as a reason to work it out)

' You'll see I'm right in the end'.

Makes me farking sick. I'm pretty sure theres a certain someone whispering these time-served cliches in his ear. No surprises for guessing who.

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Wotz · 19/12/2007 17:58

eternalstudent I have read this with interest and was not surprised to see you jumped on.

I was in a similar situation as you. DHs ex left him, she moved out with another man long before we got together or even knew each other. Left her dd with my DH. However you can see folk always assume I was the ow, as I have a (lovely)SD and I am nearly 10 years younger than him.

thebecster · 19/12/2007 18:01

So sad for those of you who have been let down. I do agree that there's no excuses for OW or for men who cheat. And no excuses for women who cheat on fathers of their kids either. I wonder if they realise that they're not just cheating on their partner but on their kids. Totally different if you are separated and the relationship has truly ended & find a new partner - but if you're playing 'happy families' while carrying on on the side, your kids are hurt when they find out about the lies too. I had this happen to me when I was a kid and it really hurt.

mummyofaprincess · 19/12/2007 19:13

pingue how are you?

My partner has made no excuses for why he left, he didn`t want to try because he said he loved her and wanted to be with her even if he says he loves me still and he cares about me and what happenps to me

They are getting a place together after xmas and i have this feeling shes pregnant or she`s trying. He has given me reason to believe this and so have my 2 friends who work with them!

pinguthepenguin · 19/12/2007 19:26

How awful for you MOAP

I would say its infatuation that has brought those two together. Think about it- Shes a child! Also, it seems he provided her with a much needed escape at the time. She was young, carefree, made no demands on him and was a world away from the life and responsibilities he had with you. Do you really think he's going to want to be with her when his life with her begins to replicate the one he walked away from?

Hardly

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mummyofaprincess · 19/12/2007 19:37

I honestly thought that, but i can just see him playing happy familys with her, he wants to take DD with him shopping and stuff with her [fshcok] its only been like 4 weeks, mind you he asked the second week the cheeky bastard (sorry i`m so angry right now)

mummyofaprincess · 19/12/2007 19:38

does your partner see DD more then once a week?

pinguthepenguin · 19/12/2007 19:53

about twice, with one overnight so far

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peanutbear · 19/12/2007 19:54

my Dad left came back then left again, the last time definatly for another woman, none of his relationships have lasted since,

I dont even speak to the women now because I dont even see the point in making the effort

each has had a different take on why he split up with my mom usually detrimental which is complete bollocks because my mom truly is great

point is in the end your children will see what I see in my dad and I believe that hurts him more than he managed to hurt my mom (which was a lot)

my mom met someone else on the other hand who adores her and they are still happy together 10yrs later

TBH I firmly believe once a cheat always a cheater

mistletoemiggins · 19/12/2007 19:57

my ex is still with OW 2 yrs on

are they happy? dont know - they have a "shouting box" at home according to DS

what saddens me is that ex must have painted a horrible picture of life at home but hid it well from me

when I found out about the affair, ex wanted to make a go & was a changed man for 6 weeks (had something to do wasnt at work all that time)
we went on a holiday abroad & can assure u we were happily married in every sense of the word - I forced myself to have sex & tried to enjoy it even though I was ripped apart inside

2 weeks later I kicked him out and he went running to her

I dont expect he told her we had sex though what she thought we did on that week holiday I dont know....I dont expect he told her I kicked him out

but they are still together so she must have really loved/wanted him to get over the fact when I found out he chose me

will they last?
only time will tell

mummyofaprincess · 19/12/2007 20:13

the reson i asked pingu is that my xp is happy with once a week for an hour or so, and he was in DDs life for 3 years. I don`t understand how he could give up like that.

My DD is a star and she loves her daddy so much, but he just doesn`t seem to care at all!

I hope your xp becomes a very good dad to your DD, i really want LO to grow up and know who her daddy is.

I know they might not bond but i want him to at least try for LOs sake, DD knows her daddy and i want the same for LO.

ginnedupudding · 19/12/2007 21:45

I've just found this thread. My ex left me for OW 5 years ago in January and they are still together. Like MOAP I was 5 months pg at the time and our other ds was 3 (spookily similar circumstances!)

He has confided in me that he is not happy and that she is selfish and controlling, and doesn't want anything to do with our boys (she even resents him seeing them twice a week ) but he doesn't leave her.

I would never have him back but it galls me that he stays with her when he isn't happy but he could treat me and ds's with the same respect.

Life is so unfair at times

frostythesnowmum · 19/12/2007 21:47

If it's a friendship and not a sexual relationship can the ow really be still classed as the other woman? Is the man still a cheat? Personally I think this falls into a different catagory altogether though I'm not sure what.
I would feel much better if my dh left me and this was the situation rather than he had been sleeping with me and someone else iykwim. Is this what happened in your case pingu or is your dh using this as a cover story so he's not the bad guy?
If it did happen like that then he has at leaast respected you and your relationship though I'm not sure what consolation that is.
It's the length of time between the split and his new relationship that is the problem and the cause for your pain.

ginnedupudding · 19/12/2007 22:14

But its more than a friendship if it ends up with the man leaving a family to be with the 'friend'.
Its not the length of time that's the problem, more the 'overlap' time when they start a new relationship before the old one is over which causes such pain.
I just don't get it. With ex and new dp I have never even considered getting into anything with another man. I just don't look at other men that way, even when I am not totally happy in the current relationship.
Perhaps thats the difference at the root of all this. Do these men have one eye out for a replacement as soon as the going gets tough?

GreebosWhiskers · 19/12/2007 22:27

My ex had an affair with my (supposedly) best friend. It was going on for ages & obvious to everyone except me (head in the sand). I left him & took our dds & she moved in the day we moved out - even helped him bag up the last of my stuff. He then spent a year playing us off one against the other until I got fed up & started seeing someone else (who turned out to be very short-term) & ex-h went mental. Said I'd ruined his life, he'd never be able to take me back now & he was going to get a lawyer & take my kids. So I got a lawyer first & divorced the bastard They were only too happy to admit adultery to get it over & done with faster as he was (& still is) a shiftless waste of space so there were no monetary assets to squabble over.

They're still together 10 years on & have 1 daughter & another wee girl on the way. This bothers me not a jot as I'm married again (met dh 2 years after me & ex-h split) & we have a 2.10yo dd & a 13mo ds together & dh actually works so we own our house. The only thing that mars my happiness (& it's a big thing) is that dd1 & dd2 both decided eventually that they wanted to live at their dad's (far less strict household which they've been regretting recently during some problems with dd1) & a case of the grass being greener. I let them go as I didn't want to alienate & upset them by forcing them to stay here & am hoping that if/when they decide to come back their dad will be big enough to do the same thing.

ginnedupudding · 19/12/2007 22:33

Greebo - that's so . I don't think I could be as reasonable as you under those circumstances. Total admiration for you, what a tough decision to have to make.

mummyofaprincess · 19/12/2007 22:43

greebo that must have been so hard for you, one of my friends split up with her husband years ago now and when she left the two youngest children chose to stay with there dad and the two older children chose to stay with her.

Well i know she was so upset by this but she couldn`t make them come with her

Well i hope they do come back to you

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