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What would you have replied to this message?

117 replies

Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 19:43

A bit of background history first (also NC as I'm trying not to be outing for this but I'm a long-time lurker and occasional poster on MN). And sorry, it got a bit long.

I've been friends with a local guy for about five years and we have mutual friends too. He's a bit of a 'character' and the 'knows everyone' type (mainly due to his work). He's been on-off single since I've known him but in this time he's had two main relationships (a year/eighteen months or so each). When things have gone a bit wrong in these relationships, he's often asked me for advice, which I've given, and he's done the same for me. The friendship had become reasonably close, I'd say, and we had a level of trust talking about these things. We felt very comfortable with each other as friends. All good. For context, we're early 50s, not sixteen as some may shortly think.

However, several years back, he made it quite clear that he had a 'thing' for me. He told me there was a physical attraction but something deeper too. Then he started crossing lines and flirting with me, often while in these relationships but only when things were going wrong in them. It became a pattern - he'd be in touch, moan about his r/ship issues, then flirt with me. I'd shut him down and didn't respond in the way he wanted - and he admitted he was out of order doing it, but still continued. If there was ever any similar flirting back from me (much less from me as I just didn't feel comfortable tbh as it was mainly by text which felt weird), it was always when he'd told me he was single - though his pattern was that he'd get back with his gf again and the flirting would all stop until next time he broke up/had troubles. He did a lot of breaking up/reuniting, it seemed. And our contact followed a similar pattern - I'd sometimes not hear from him for several months at a time. Which, as mates, is fine, of course.

I suspected his latest relationship was coming to an end (I'd had all the usual signs plus he'd called several times for advice) and sure enough, he told me several months ago that it was finally over and he was single and he'd done the right thing ending it. Looking back at the messages, he told me they'd broken up but it 'wasn't official' yet. (I mean, was he going to announce it in the Times or something?)

So when the flirting and conversation picked up again, I went with it. I liked him (he's quite charismatic and charming/witty) and felt that perhaps the timing was now right for us given that he was properly single. He told me it was completely over with the previous gf and they parted on good terms.

Then he asked me on an actual date. He'd sorted it all, paid, picked me up etc - it was really nice, quite romantic and there was some physical intimacy involved. We both enjoyed the evening. Of course, the 'red flag' of him being capable of flirting while in a r/ship (if that's where we were headed going forward) was at the back of my mind and, rightly or wrongly, I chose to overlook this side of him.

Then in the days immediately following the date, his usual level and style of texting changed dramatically. It became much, much less and quite formal (as though we barely knew each other!) and he left my messages unread for days at a time. It was like getting blood from a stone. I even asked what was up/why so quiet, but I got the 'just busy with work/life' brush off. I wasn't pestering or over texting by any means, rather matching his level. So I figured I'd ask him to meet up one evening again for a meal (this was now several weeks after the original date) and his response would tell me what I needed to know. Well basically, there was no response. He didn't even read my message for over a week! I didn't chase it up or send another one - no reply was a message in itself. I began to wonder what I'd done wrong to turn him off so completely and suddenly, when on the evening, it had all seemed lovely.

Then out of the blue one evening (over a week after I'd sent my message re dinner), I got a reply apologising for the silence and that he was absolutely heartbroken and had been in a terrible dark place the last few weeks (which would mean before and during our 'date' evening - he didn't seem that bloody heartbroken at the time!!!) and how much he was struggling. He told me he's realised that he's 'head over heels in love and should never have broken up with her' (meaning his previous gf).

Nothing else about me or how I might feel, and no mention of my ignored invite to dinner (the suggested date of which had now passed!) - just the above message. So MNers... if you're still with me, how would you feel if you'd got this message? And what would you have replied? Or what would you have done? Thank you x

OP posts:
AdamRyan · 10/12/2021 19:48

I'd already have been feeling shit. And when he got in touch I'd have been angry and probably blocked him. What a knob.

todaysdilemma · 10/12/2021 19:49

I would wish him well and then delete and block him. This isn't a friend, he's a parasite who only uses you for validation/to fill a gap. He doesn't see you as a person with feelings and wants of your own. If you keep him in your life in an capacity, he'll fill your life with shit and toxicity.

Cut him out. And find someone who actually values your friendship and you.

PilatesPeach · 10/12/2021 19:53

I would not reply. He is a tosser and you should not dignify him with a response. He either knows he is a tosser or if he doesn't, nothing you say to him will cause him to have a conscience.

Block. move on, next. Do not entertain him again no matter what he says, no matter what!

Moretodo · 10/12/2021 19:54

Don't reply?
Or maybe say, "OK".

And if he contacts you again block him.
Messy.

He has kept you as a fall back, and probably has others too.

CouldThisReallyBe · 10/12/2021 19:54

I had already concluded before I got to the punch line of your post that this was an 'ignore and block' scenario. His actions are entirely driven by his needs/wants - he doesn't care about you (sorry). I wouldn't even give him the gift of your time in a reply.

bebarkered · 10/12/2021 19:57

Don't reply at all OP, just block. That's plan A. Or, plan B, reply and absolutely wipe the floor with him. He's such a cheeky, self - absorbed hard-faced user x

Skyll · 10/12/2021 20:00

Don’t reply. Just ignore and block

MollysDolly · 10/12/2021 20:07

He does sound about 16.

"Official" break ups. More likely that she'd had enough of him, but he was still trying to maintain something, and didn't want anyone to know. That was his way of getting some attention from you, but making sure you kept quiet in case the gf had a change of heart.

The date? He probably was trying to take his mind off being dumped. I don't think it's anything like he was being calculating and using you, he just wanted a distraction.

The problem is, you're his "old faithful" as it were. He can go silent for months, then guaranteed attention if he texts you. He doesn't ever ask how you are in the intermittent. It's when he wants attention. And you always provide that.

I wouldn't be unkind or anything, like PP, I'd wish him well, then block his number. He's self absorbed and a bit of a man child, so calling him out on his ignorance won't achieve anything. Let him find another crutch, you've been more than a good enough friend.

MamDancer · 10/12/2021 20:08

Another one saying no reply and block.

He is not your friend. Just another self absorbed twat.

Aprilx · 10/12/2021 20:14

I’d feel irritated by that and I wouldn’t reply.

MoreCoffeePlease2 · 10/12/2021 20:21

I liked the idea from someone above of just saying 'OK' and leaving it - it's v clear that you're totally unimpressed by it and not going to engage while also showing that he's a self indulgent whinge-bag (who has tendencies to cheat to boot!).
From the way he's been using you he probably won't have too much shame about it but there's some petty satisfaction there for you which may be your bag or may not be (I can be deeply petty though so always keen for that option!).

Monstertrucks · 10/12/2021 20:21

It's a no reply from me or if you really must a simple passive aggressive 👍 will do

Don't engage with him again. It's all about him and always will be. You tried. It didn't work.. Move on. Don't look back or give a second glance.
And stop being his shoulder to cry on

StormyTeacups · 10/12/2021 20:25

I wouldn't reply. I would read it, and not reply. Don't block, just really wind him up by ignoring

CatelynStark · 10/12/2021 20:28

This is where the thumbs up emoji is best used. Then block and delete. He’s a dickhead.

Bluee1994 · 10/12/2021 20:30

I agree with the above poster. There's no point even replying to him

WTF99 · 10/12/2021 20:33

What a complete knobbish waste of your time he is. Feel sorry for any woman who gets involved with him....and don't let it be you.
Block/delete.....no reply merited or necessary

rooarsome · 10/12/2021 20:34

Another vote for 👍
He's a user.

frozendaisy · 10/12/2021 20:34

What a fucking palaver!

It's obvious all "me me me" with him.

Have a wonderful Christmas without his drama OP.

WhoppingBigBackside · 10/12/2021 20:36

Block his number and unfriend him

youvegottenminuteslynn · 10/12/2021 20:38

👍🏻 and block

Boopeedoop · 10/12/2021 20:41

"Never contact me again". Would be my message.

By deleting and blocking without a message I would be concerned he would show up and try and turn on the charm.

WonderfulYou · 10/12/2021 20:46

I don’t want to upset you but it sounds like you’re the fallback women - someone he’s only interested in when his relationships are going wrong. He probably does like you as a friend but doesn’t want anything more.

Do not get pulled into that cycle again.
If he starts flirting do not do it back. Don’t go out on another date etc.

In the 5 years you’ve known him have you been dating or essentially waiting for him?
Have you tried online dating to get your mind off of him?

XmasElf10 · 10/12/2021 20:47

Fuck right off you using bastard….

Then block.

RaspberrySchnapps · 10/12/2021 20:47

he likes the chase.

some people do, once he thought you were interested and invested in him he no longer is. and its been quite a chase, he's enjoyed the on off flirtation for ages but now you're someone he can tick off his list.

don't respond. block. be prepared for the chasing/flirting to start up again but this time see it for what it is and ignore him.