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What would you have replied to this message?

117 replies

Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 19:43

A bit of background history first (also NC as I'm trying not to be outing for this but I'm a long-time lurker and occasional poster on MN). And sorry, it got a bit long.

I've been friends with a local guy for about five years and we have mutual friends too. He's a bit of a 'character' and the 'knows everyone' type (mainly due to his work). He's been on-off single since I've known him but in this time he's had two main relationships (a year/eighteen months or so each). When things have gone a bit wrong in these relationships, he's often asked me for advice, which I've given, and he's done the same for me. The friendship had become reasonably close, I'd say, and we had a level of trust talking about these things. We felt very comfortable with each other as friends. All good. For context, we're early 50s, not sixteen as some may shortly think.

However, several years back, he made it quite clear that he had a 'thing' for me. He told me there was a physical attraction but something deeper too. Then he started crossing lines and flirting with me, often while in these relationships but only when things were going wrong in them. It became a pattern - he'd be in touch, moan about his r/ship issues, then flirt with me. I'd shut him down and didn't respond in the way he wanted - and he admitted he was out of order doing it, but still continued. If there was ever any similar flirting back from me (much less from me as I just didn't feel comfortable tbh as it was mainly by text which felt weird), it was always when he'd told me he was single - though his pattern was that he'd get back with his gf again and the flirting would all stop until next time he broke up/had troubles. He did a lot of breaking up/reuniting, it seemed. And our contact followed a similar pattern - I'd sometimes not hear from him for several months at a time. Which, as mates, is fine, of course.

I suspected his latest relationship was coming to an end (I'd had all the usual signs plus he'd called several times for advice) and sure enough, he told me several months ago that it was finally over and he was single and he'd done the right thing ending it. Looking back at the messages, he told me they'd broken up but it 'wasn't official' yet. (I mean, was he going to announce it in the Times or something?)

So when the flirting and conversation picked up again, I went with it. I liked him (he's quite charismatic and charming/witty) and felt that perhaps the timing was now right for us given that he was properly single. He told me it was completely over with the previous gf and they parted on good terms.

Then he asked me on an actual date. He'd sorted it all, paid, picked me up etc - it was really nice, quite romantic and there was some physical intimacy involved. We both enjoyed the evening. Of course, the 'red flag' of him being capable of flirting while in a r/ship (if that's where we were headed going forward) was at the back of my mind and, rightly or wrongly, I chose to overlook this side of him.

Then in the days immediately following the date, his usual level and style of texting changed dramatically. It became much, much less and quite formal (as though we barely knew each other!) and he left my messages unread for days at a time. It was like getting blood from a stone. I even asked what was up/why so quiet, but I got the 'just busy with work/life' brush off. I wasn't pestering or over texting by any means, rather matching his level. So I figured I'd ask him to meet up one evening again for a meal (this was now several weeks after the original date) and his response would tell me what I needed to know. Well basically, there was no response. He didn't even read my message for over a week! I didn't chase it up or send another one - no reply was a message in itself. I began to wonder what I'd done wrong to turn him off so completely and suddenly, when on the evening, it had all seemed lovely.

Then out of the blue one evening (over a week after I'd sent my message re dinner), I got a reply apologising for the silence and that he was absolutely heartbroken and had been in a terrible dark place the last few weeks (which would mean before and during our 'date' evening - he didn't seem that bloody heartbroken at the time!!!) and how much he was struggling. He told me he's realised that he's 'head over heels in love and should never have broken up with her' (meaning his previous gf).

Nothing else about me or how I might feel, and no mention of my ignored invite to dinner (the suggested date of which had now passed!) - just the above message. So MNers... if you're still with me, how would you feel if you'd got this message? And what would you have replied? Or what would you have done? Thank you x

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WonderfulYou · 10/12/2021 20:48

Never contact me again". Would be my message.

I feel like this would create a conversation and he’ll worm his way back in.

I would reply to his text as normal and then become increasingly longer to reply. If it’s any sort of flirting I wouldn’t reply.

CheesyFootballsAreEvil · 10/12/2021 20:49

I would have ignored him and moved on to better things

SarahBellam · 10/12/2021 20:54

Don't reply. You're not his agony aunt. Block and delete. Move on.

GrumpyTerrier · 10/12/2021 20:54

He is unfortuately an immature idiot romantically and you have now fallen foul of this, just like all his poor girlfriends. I would not want to continue to be friends cos it sounds more like he was using you to validate himself.

I would read the message, dont reply but DONT BLOCK cos that gives him the satisfaction of thinking you are mooning over him.

When he messages in the future, just delete it and don't reply. Don't bother with him any more.

IamGusFring · 10/12/2021 20:58

Oh he's right wanker isn't he ?

LizzieSiddal · 10/12/2021 20:58

XmasElf10

Fuck right off you using bastard….

Then block

This!

greenlynx · 10/12/2021 21:05

I wouldn’t reply, read and leave it, don’t block him, he loves attention so don’t give him any. I would say don’t even read his messages if you can.

godmum56 · 10/12/2021 21:06

so how many red flags do you need?

PraiseTheSunshine · 10/12/2021 21:11

I don't think I'd bother replying at all, I'd just block him. He's not a friend, he's a self-centred prick and from what you've said you're better off without him in your life.

Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 21:15

Oh wow thanks for the responses so far! You've all made me feel so much better (along with a glass or three of wine!) and I'm punching the air for all your solidarity. I honestly thought I'd get told I almost deserved his shitty treatment because I'd stayed his friend even with all the prior flirting (and it's awful to admit, but I wasn't even totally sure if what he did after the date WAS shitty treatment - and that maybe I should feel sorry for his heartbreak!) As for the flirting, I always felt in control of it and it became a bit of an 'eye roll' or a joke between us - as in we both knew that's just the way he is. His job means he has to turn on the charm (it's not, but think estate agent or car salesman) and I figured that was part of him. And yes, of course a part of me was flattered by it.

Thank you @Moretodo for the link - I read it and it resonated deeply. Too deeply in many ways. I'm definitely a fixer, but it had been in the framework of a friendship before and I was happy to help him with relationship advice. He'd done the same for me. But as another poster mentioned, it was mainly 'all about him'.

So the general consensus seems to be that he's an utter knob. And I agree (though the aim of this post was, I admit, validation for that as I wasn't 100% sure). I felt/feel utterly wretched and used when I saw his level of contact dropping away like a stone. It was SO obvious. We'd been pretty intimate physically (not quite as far as sex) and I'd made myself vulnerable to him. I was left wondering what the hell was wrong with me to turn him off so sharply. I simply can't understand how anyone could treat someone like this. His message of undying love for her floored me (I'm sure he'd love that).

To my mind, all he needed to do was reply to my dinner suggestion message (and soon, not over a week later) with something like 'thanks for the offer but I can't make those dates. How about we meet for coffee soon as mates?' I'd have taken the hint totally and normal status would have resumed. I'd have privately licked my wounds for a bit and that would have been that. Then in time, he could maybe have mentioned that he'd got back with his ex. Why the HELL did he think I wanted to know he was heartbroken and head over heels in love still? Did it take an evening with me to realise that?

And I hadn't thought about that @MollysDolly - that SHE actually broke up with him. Quite likely, actually. His story that they were still 'friends' after the split sort of stacked up as she remained as his FB friend. But then I noticed (a couple of days before he sent his vile message to me) that she no longer was. No idea if he blocked her or she blocked him. But it's quite telling and I suspect the latter. This puts us around age 12, I now realise!! Oh, and he and I have a mutual female friend who I think knows his 'ex'. He told me not to discuss any of this with her. It's all falling into place now. Either they never broke up and he played me, or she dumped him and he's a hot mess and used me.

So the upshot was, I went with @bebarkered 's plan B - and this was a week or so ago now, quite soon after he sent his vile message to me. I completely wiped the floor with him in my response and told him what I thought of his utterly shitty behaviour. There is no going back from what I sent. Probably wasn't big or clever but for a few moments, it made me feel better. He sent some limp lettuce reply about not realising how in love with her he was at the time - but I've not replied to that nonsense. I did, however, feel a bit guilty that I'd not been sympathetic to him - hence this post really. Several days after that, he blocked me on all social media (we seem about age ten now, I realise) though weirdly, he hasn't blocked me on whatsapp. And I've simply not reacted by blocking back anywhere as I'm of the mind it shows him I 'care' (which I do - but about my pride!) I can only assume that he's left the WA door open for when he comes back hoovering.

The consensus here seems to be that I should block him. The only thing left is on Whatsapp - our usual messaging route. Should I just block? Or should I send a 'thumbs up' to his last pathetic reply of him 'just being honest about being in love' and then block? (It was a week ago now so maybe just blocking is better.) He's on WA constantly and would likely notice. I'm really not good at this kind of stuff. All I wanted was a nice date (and maybe some more) with someone not being a dick!! And the awful thing is, we will definitely bump into each other IRL before long. How the hell do I play that one? Thanks again all... much appreciated and you've made me feel better. And soooorrry for being so wordy!!!

P.s. just caught up with later replies since I started typing this epic post and some are of the mind not to block as it shows I'm bothered. Kind of agree with this too. If he does come back in the future (which he will, they all do, especially him) then I can make great use of the thumbs up emoji and the block button! (Now sounding like a three year old!)

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Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 21:18

Oh, and do I warn the 'ex' what he's done - in case she's not really an ex? I know who she is/how to contact her. My thinking is best leave well alone. I don't need any more bloody drama. But if he DOES worm his way back in... gah, poor woman.

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LostForIdeas · 10/12/2021 21:18

He is using you to massage his ego.
Hence you only hear about him when he ‘needs it’/is breaking up (or nit as it seems….)

I also wonder if he isn’t a lier too, see his ‘being in a dark place’ whilst flirting with you.

I would just answer ‘OK’ to his text.
And then step well back, well well back.

LostForIdeas · 10/12/2021 21:22

Xpost.

I would block him.
Nit worth your time and attention ever again.

WTF99 · 10/12/2021 21:25

In the nicest possible way OP.....ffs!!

You are demonstrating in that epic post just how embroiled in this you still are. Leave WhatsApp open if you really want you but don't kid yourself that it's just for an ironic thumbs up opportunity. You will get drawn back in and it will be more heart break for you sooner or later.

Cut him off and reclaim your life. You deserve better

beastlyslumber · 10/12/2021 21:25

I would have gone with the thumbs up 👍 and block.

But since your update I'd probably not block now, just ignore completely. Oh and I would tell your mutual friends EVERYTHING.

Good luck OP. You seem nice and he sounds like a dick. Hopefully getting shot of him makes room for someone lovely in your life.

Buildingthefuture · 10/12/2021 21:28

He’s a gigantic, insecure tool and he’s looking to you to boost his ego. Block, ignore. If you see him IRL be breezy and dismissive. He isn’t worth another second of your time. And no, don’t inform the ex….you don’t need anymore interaction with this Twat OR his girlfriend.

Sosoo · 10/12/2021 21:29

Do you carry a torch for this man OP? What has your relationship status been over this period ? It seems you like him a lot more than he likes you. To be honest I’d completely walk away from this “friendship” as friends don’t treat each other like this. It’s all one sided.

TheWayTheLightFalls · 10/12/2021 21:30

If it’s a week ago just ignore. More recent, “OK”. And change his name to Do Not Reply on your phone.

3luckystars · 10/12/2021 21:31

This is the luckiest thing that ever happened you, do not look back and NEVER go near him again!!

MamDancer · 10/12/2021 21:35

change his name to Do Not Reply on your phone

Excellent advice. Also second being bright and breezy if you see him around and NO to contacting his ex/GF/whatever.

Nearly the end of 2021. Make your 2022 twat free! Xmas Grin

VodselForDinner · 10/12/2021 21:39

I wouldn’t give him the satisfaction of a response.

Block him, and ignore in real life.

What a prick.

Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 21:43

@WTF99

In the nicest possible way OP.....ffs!!

You are demonstrating in that epic post just how embroiled in this you still are. Leave WhatsApp open if you really want you but don't kid yourself that it's just for an ironic thumbs up opportunity. You will get drawn back in and it will be more heart break for you sooner or later.

Cut him off and reclaim your life. You deserve better

Yes, I agree - ffs indeed haha. I'm saying it to myself! I definitely don't want to get drawn back in. And I do deserve better, you're right. Embroiled is also correct and all these replies have really helped. I'm certainly not going to engage with him further...
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Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 21:45

@MamDancer

change his name to Do Not Reply on your phone

Excellent advice. Also second being bright and breezy if you see him around and NO to contacting his ex/GF/whatever.

Nearly the end of 2021. Make your 2022 twat free! Xmas Grin

2022 - twat free! I like this :) And I like the several Do Not Reply ideas. He's now archived in messages and I won't contact the 'ex'. I might sound like a drama-magnet, but it's far from what I want.
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Moretodo · 10/12/2021 21:48

Loving your resolve OP.

Let the woman find out what he's like herself, you will just look bitter and jealous.

If / when you see him again, be insincere.
He is insincere.
If you are the same way, he will be baffled.

Try not to get into any type of sincere conversation, look at grey rock technique.
Don't give him anything he will be seeking an emotional reaction.
He gets nothing ever again.
You owe him nothing.

He's a bit of a joke isn't he? treat it like that.
When you see him, think of the theme tune "send in the clowns", smile inwardly and swerve that loser.

WTF99 · 10/12/2021 21:49

I really hope you can be good to yourself OP. It's not easy....sounds like he can be very charming....but he really is a prize knob....just read back what you have said about him and imagine someone was telling you this about their fella....what would you say?
Take your own good advice OP