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What would you have replied to this message?

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Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 19:43

A bit of background history first (also NC as I'm trying not to be outing for this but I'm a long-time lurker and occasional poster on MN). And sorry, it got a bit long.

I've been friends with a local guy for about five years and we have mutual friends too. He's a bit of a 'character' and the 'knows everyone' type (mainly due to his work). He's been on-off single since I've known him but in this time he's had two main relationships (a year/eighteen months or so each). When things have gone a bit wrong in these relationships, he's often asked me for advice, which I've given, and he's done the same for me. The friendship had become reasonably close, I'd say, and we had a level of trust talking about these things. We felt very comfortable with each other as friends. All good. For context, we're early 50s, not sixteen as some may shortly think.

However, several years back, he made it quite clear that he had a 'thing' for me. He told me there was a physical attraction but something deeper too. Then he started crossing lines and flirting with me, often while in these relationships but only when things were going wrong in them. It became a pattern - he'd be in touch, moan about his r/ship issues, then flirt with me. I'd shut him down and didn't respond in the way he wanted - and he admitted he was out of order doing it, but still continued. If there was ever any similar flirting back from me (much less from me as I just didn't feel comfortable tbh as it was mainly by text which felt weird), it was always when he'd told me he was single - though his pattern was that he'd get back with his gf again and the flirting would all stop until next time he broke up/had troubles. He did a lot of breaking up/reuniting, it seemed. And our contact followed a similar pattern - I'd sometimes not hear from him for several months at a time. Which, as mates, is fine, of course.

I suspected his latest relationship was coming to an end (I'd had all the usual signs plus he'd called several times for advice) and sure enough, he told me several months ago that it was finally over and he was single and he'd done the right thing ending it. Looking back at the messages, he told me they'd broken up but it 'wasn't official' yet. (I mean, was he going to announce it in the Times or something?)

So when the flirting and conversation picked up again, I went with it. I liked him (he's quite charismatic and charming/witty) and felt that perhaps the timing was now right for us given that he was properly single. He told me it was completely over with the previous gf and they parted on good terms.

Then he asked me on an actual date. He'd sorted it all, paid, picked me up etc - it was really nice, quite romantic and there was some physical intimacy involved. We both enjoyed the evening. Of course, the 'red flag' of him being capable of flirting while in a r/ship (if that's where we were headed going forward) was at the back of my mind and, rightly or wrongly, I chose to overlook this side of him.

Then in the days immediately following the date, his usual level and style of texting changed dramatically. It became much, much less and quite formal (as though we barely knew each other!) and he left my messages unread for days at a time. It was like getting blood from a stone. I even asked what was up/why so quiet, but I got the 'just busy with work/life' brush off. I wasn't pestering or over texting by any means, rather matching his level. So I figured I'd ask him to meet up one evening again for a meal (this was now several weeks after the original date) and his response would tell me what I needed to know. Well basically, there was no response. He didn't even read my message for over a week! I didn't chase it up or send another one - no reply was a message in itself. I began to wonder what I'd done wrong to turn him off so completely and suddenly, when on the evening, it had all seemed lovely.

Then out of the blue one evening (over a week after I'd sent my message re dinner), I got a reply apologising for the silence and that he was absolutely heartbroken and had been in a terrible dark place the last few weeks (which would mean before and during our 'date' evening - he didn't seem that bloody heartbroken at the time!!!) and how much he was struggling. He told me he's realised that he's 'head over heels in love and should never have broken up with her' (meaning his previous gf).

Nothing else about me or how I might feel, and no mention of my ignored invite to dinner (the suggested date of which had now passed!) - just the above message. So MNers... if you're still with me, how would you feel if you'd got this message? And what would you have replied? Or what would you have done? Thank you x

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Onthedunes · 11/12/2021 14:48

How did you meet him op, without being too outing?

Was it through work, a colleague that could help him in some way or maybe a customer of some kind whereby he was gaining something financial from you ?

The continued friendship, was there a contunued benefit for him keeping in touch other than the sexual frission that existed between you ?

Alltheblue · 11/12/2021 15:09

I think I'd ignore it.

Onthedunes · 11/12/2021 18:50

It sounds as though you have the measure of him op.

Try not to feel bad, his proclamations of him being upset over his ex are just an act, he doesn't care about her either, it's just she has more resources than others.

People are merely there for his use, he will have many circles arround him, women who have been his 'friend' since he was young, all believing he was special, charismatic and charming.

His tentacles will run far and wide.

They do tend to use their work to find new supplies of fuel for their ego, the greater their freedom, such as working for themselves, coming into contact with the public, having access to peoples homes, the more their ripples can spread, by befriending them.

My advice would be to stop all contact, even in a professional capacity.
He will have been shocked you reacted so badly, he thought you were more controllable than that, more thankful for your short sexual encounter.

He believes you are an ingrate and should be thankful to him.

MMmomDD · 11/12/2021 19:47

I’d have said - Ok and good luck.
Then when he inevitably comes back to you when his next relationship runs into trouble - I’d be distant and barely there.
He is clearly confused and can’t keep a relationship going.
And you are his back up friend/support/stand in gf potential

It isn’t a love story that would end well. Luckily it hasn’t gone on for too long.
Just move on

me4real · 11/12/2021 20:12

this is where my current thinking is. Blocking him is me 'flouncing off' and showing I care, when I really don't anymore

@Fairylighter Not necessarily, it can be just you saying you don't want to have anything to do with him anymore (which is hurtful to them because they want everyone to adore them.) I blocked mine when I realized the games he was playing and that he wasn't really a friend, just a user. Them having avenues of contact is dangerous, blocking is a way to protect yourself from the hurt they cause. Ok in theory he might come to the house, but blocking on Whatsapp gives him one less way of getting in touch with you.

Coteeee · 11/12/2021 20:16

Dont reply. Hes a male drama queen that would suck the willing out of anyone

Honeyroar · 11/12/2021 20:26

I'm glad you wiped the floor with him. What a horrible, rude, selfish tit.

I wouldn't block him. When the inevitable creeping message arrives ("I'm so sorry, I behaved so badly, you were so lovely to me and I treated you so wrong. I thought I was in love with her but I was just so confused...bla bla). I'd just say "Please go bore someone else, ive listened to more than my share of this in the past."

Fairylighter · 11/12/2021 21:15

Thank you so much for all the new replies!!! I agree with you all and the support is hugely appreciated. I’m having a nice time with a friend tonight and forgetting all about him! I’ll check back in with something more coherent tomorrow Smile xx

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Fairylighter · 12/12/2021 11:02

@Fireflygal I hear you about the narcs! Whether he's a fully-fledged one or has general tendencies, doesn't really matter I guess. He's still treated me very badly - and I see that now. Before this thread, I was a bit 'hmm was I too harsh in my response?' and almost had sympathy! But nah - he's a twat!

@Receptionclass I think you and all who've said similar will be correct - he will pop back up in the future. Might be next week, might be in a year. There's a reason he left me unblocked on WA. And you're also correct in that a tiny part of me (sort of) does want him to get in touch. But obviously not if any kind of major drama/threat were to follow. Simply just to give me a chance to ignore his whining and immediately block. I know... petty, but it's how I feel. There's not a cat in hell's chance he could do ANYTHING to make me want to be with him in any capacity now. But I'm naturally still licking my wounds a bit.

@TheTrinity 'Dead to me' is absolutely correct! It just took me a little while to realise it. This thread has helped so much.

@Onthedunes - without being too outing, we're not colleagues and don't work in the same field at all. If he's the estate agent I mentioned earlier, let's say, I went in to get some property details for a friend for example. Turns out we know the same people etc etc, got friendly/chatting. But friend bought a house via another agent so no need for me to visit the office again. The upshot is, I'm not going to provide any particular financial benefit to him by knowing him. I think the friendship continued because a) we liked each other and got on b) the sexual frisson (from him initially) and c) because I now see he got off entirely on the thrill of the chase though I didn't realise that's what it was at the time. (I'm a bit of a romantic with hopeless dating luck and wondered if after all this time, he'd be 'the one' Lol.) I'm really beginning to think him splitting up with the 'ex' was bullshit. He knew there was no way I'd be involved with him as more than friends if he was with her, so he told me lies to get what he wanted, and then slipped back into 'needing my emotional support mode', thinking I'd be there to comfort him. Well that backfired, mate! Disgusting specimen.

I just re-read your next post, @Onthedunes and you're so right again. His work DOES bring him new supply and he laps it up. It's too outing to say, but his tentacles do indeed run far and wide! I think also because he helped me with dating advice in the past (when I was a little less jaded and put up with shit too much from dates) and he expected me to be like that with him and tolerate his b/s. To his surprise, I haven't!

@me4real Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I just feel now that as it's been a good while later, if I block now it'll perhaps indicate to him that I left him unblocked for this while as I was hoping he'd be in touch. Overthinking much, Fairylighter?!

And @Honeyroar , yes, this is my current thinking. I'm ashamed to say that I'd enjoy doing that immensely!

Right - onward and upward! Have a good day all and thanks again xx

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TheTrinity · 12/12/2021 11:12

Absolutely OP! Wishing you the very best!

me4real · 12/12/2021 11:12

Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I just feel now that as it's been a good while later, if I block now it'll perhaps indicate to him that I left him unblocked for this while as I was hoping he'd be in touch

All he'll concentrate on is that you've decided to block him now, I imagine. He maybe thinks he can leave you as a backup plan. You'd be telling him that he can't.

Onthedunes · 12/12/2021 14:09

As for going forwards.

I can tell you that narcs hate weakness, they detest it. You showed your weakness in his eyes by blowing up and being 'bothered' this will have made him smile and fuelled his ego, gave him fuel.

That is now something he may wish to do again, your purpose to him has now changed, you are no longer the person who bolsters his ego by listening and being in a holding possition.

You are now someone to abuse by ill treatment.

He will do it again if you allow him into your sphere, no matter how in control you think you are, you are not.

He has to win.

Moretodo · 12/12/2021 17:52

Yes @Onthedunes, the "victim" can not win. We can only exit the game.
No contact.
No contact.
No contact.

Momijin · 12/12/2021 17:55

@Onthedunes

As for going forwards.

I can tell you that narcs hate weakness, they detest it. You showed your weakness in his eyes by blowing up and being 'bothered' this will have made him smile and fuelled his ego, gave him fuel.

That is now something he may wish to do again, your purpose to him has now changed, you are no longer the person who bolsters his ego by listening and being in a holding possition.

You are now someone to abuse by ill treatment.

He will do it again if you allow him into your sphere, no matter how in control you think you are, you are not.

He has to win.

You win by not caring about how things will seem to him. Seriously. Block and ignore. What he thought about what you said is of no consequence to you. You said what you wanted to say. Good. Now don't waste any more time or energy or thoughts on that loser.
RantyAunty · 12/12/2021 21:44

Can't really add on more than what PP have said.

He's never been a friend. He was always waiting for the chance to get in your pants as well as using you as an emotional tampon.

I know some will disagree but there's no such thing as a male friend.

Block him on everything.

ElectraBlue · 12/12/2021 22:07

Don't even reply. Block him and move on.

He sounds like he sees you as an endless and convenient source of comfort and emotional support when he needs it.

He is taking you for granted and this time even used you for sex. He is not a real friend and does not respect you as a potential partner.

billy1966 · 12/12/2021 22:21

Great advice above.

I would be filling in your mutual friend with the details of exactly how much of a twat he is, ....but only when you feel strong enough to be as dismissive of him as possible.

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