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What would you have replied to this message?

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Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 19:43

A bit of background history first (also NC as I'm trying not to be outing for this but I'm a long-time lurker and occasional poster on MN). And sorry, it got a bit long.

I've been friends with a local guy for about five years and we have mutual friends too. He's a bit of a 'character' and the 'knows everyone' type (mainly due to his work). He's been on-off single since I've known him but in this time he's had two main relationships (a year/eighteen months or so each). When things have gone a bit wrong in these relationships, he's often asked me for advice, which I've given, and he's done the same for me. The friendship had become reasonably close, I'd say, and we had a level of trust talking about these things. We felt very comfortable with each other as friends. All good. For context, we're early 50s, not sixteen as some may shortly think.

However, several years back, he made it quite clear that he had a 'thing' for me. He told me there was a physical attraction but something deeper too. Then he started crossing lines and flirting with me, often while in these relationships but only when things were going wrong in them. It became a pattern - he'd be in touch, moan about his r/ship issues, then flirt with me. I'd shut him down and didn't respond in the way he wanted - and he admitted he was out of order doing it, but still continued. If there was ever any similar flirting back from me (much less from me as I just didn't feel comfortable tbh as it was mainly by text which felt weird), it was always when he'd told me he was single - though his pattern was that he'd get back with his gf again and the flirting would all stop until next time he broke up/had troubles. He did a lot of breaking up/reuniting, it seemed. And our contact followed a similar pattern - I'd sometimes not hear from him for several months at a time. Which, as mates, is fine, of course.

I suspected his latest relationship was coming to an end (I'd had all the usual signs plus he'd called several times for advice) and sure enough, he told me several months ago that it was finally over and he was single and he'd done the right thing ending it. Looking back at the messages, he told me they'd broken up but it 'wasn't official' yet. (I mean, was he going to announce it in the Times or something?)

So when the flirting and conversation picked up again, I went with it. I liked him (he's quite charismatic and charming/witty) and felt that perhaps the timing was now right for us given that he was properly single. He told me it was completely over with the previous gf and they parted on good terms.

Then he asked me on an actual date. He'd sorted it all, paid, picked me up etc - it was really nice, quite romantic and there was some physical intimacy involved. We both enjoyed the evening. Of course, the 'red flag' of him being capable of flirting while in a r/ship (if that's where we were headed going forward) was at the back of my mind and, rightly or wrongly, I chose to overlook this side of him.

Then in the days immediately following the date, his usual level and style of texting changed dramatically. It became much, much less and quite formal (as though we barely knew each other!) and he left my messages unread for days at a time. It was like getting blood from a stone. I even asked what was up/why so quiet, but I got the 'just busy with work/life' brush off. I wasn't pestering or over texting by any means, rather matching his level. So I figured I'd ask him to meet up one evening again for a meal (this was now several weeks after the original date) and his response would tell me what I needed to know. Well basically, there was no response. He didn't even read my message for over a week! I didn't chase it up or send another one - no reply was a message in itself. I began to wonder what I'd done wrong to turn him off so completely and suddenly, when on the evening, it had all seemed lovely.

Then out of the blue one evening (over a week after I'd sent my message re dinner), I got a reply apologising for the silence and that he was absolutely heartbroken and had been in a terrible dark place the last few weeks (which would mean before and during our 'date' evening - he didn't seem that bloody heartbroken at the time!!!) and how much he was struggling. He told me he's realised that he's 'head over heels in love and should never have broken up with her' (meaning his previous gf).

Nothing else about me or how I might feel, and no mention of my ignored invite to dinner (the suggested date of which had now passed!) - just the above message. So MNers... if you're still with me, how would you feel if you'd got this message? And what would you have replied? Or what would you have done? Thank you x

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Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 21:49

@Sosoo

Do you carry a torch for this man OP? What has your relationship status been over this period ? It seems you like him a lot more than he likes you. To be honest I’d completely walk away from this “friendship” as friends don’t treat each other like this. It’s all one sided.
Well I did carry a bit of a torch, yes, but always did the right thing and kept it on a friends level when he wasn't single. But I've dropped the torch now, that's for sure! My relationship status has mainly been single in the last few years. I was kind of seeing someone when he first admitted his feelings for me and he'd also helped me with relationship advice with the person I was seeing (needless to say, his advice was break up with him!)

So yes, hindsight tells me it was very one-sided. I think he just wanted to know he could 'pull'. Just didn't see it at the time. Ah well... I'm feeling so much better for having vented here!

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Moretodo · 10/12/2021 21:50

This is the tune I meant.
Enjoy!

Marshwawows · 10/12/2021 21:51

I'd wait a few days then reply that you're busy with work. Each time he texts from now on keep him waiting a day longer and say you are busy, he will stop and you won't make it awkward for yourself locally.

Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 21:52

@beastlyslumber

I would have gone with the thumbs up 👍 and block.

But since your update I'd probably not block now, just ignore completely. Oh and I would tell your mutual friends EVERYTHING.

Good luck OP. You seem nice and he sounds like a dick. Hopefully getting shot of him makes room for someone lovely in your life.

Thanks so much - and if/when I see mutual friend and if it crops up, I'll test the waters and then won't hold back stating what happened. I hope too that there's a 'lovely man-shaped hole' now waiting to be filled. If not, then that's okay too - as long as this clusterfuck isn't in it!!
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Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 21:54

@godmum56

so how many red flags do you need?
Well quite!! hahaha
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NameChangeCity123 · 10/12/2021 21:56

Just send a big thumbs up and then block him - dick. Hope you find someone better if that's what you want or find happiness on your own, if not Smile

Marshwawows · 10/12/2021 21:58

Sorry didn't RTFT

Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 21:59

@Moretodo

Loving your resolve OP.

Let the woman find out what he's like herself, you will just look bitter and jealous.

If / when you see him again, be insincere.
He is insincere.
If you are the same way, he will be baffled.

Try not to get into any type of sincere conversation, look at grey rock technique.
Don't give him anything he will be seeking an emotional reaction.
He gets nothing ever again.
You owe him nothing.

He's a bit of a joke isn't he? treat it like that.
When you see him, think of the theme tune "send in the clowns", smile inwardly and swerve that loser.

Aww thanks - and the circus music you posted made me smile! Rest assured that will be playing in my head if I bump into him! (Which I will at some point).

Yeah, I don't want to look bitter at all... (I am a bit but he's not gonna know that!) I feel for her, though, and hope she has had a lucky escape. I'm pretty good at grey-rocking (sadly) so will deploy the technique. I can see now that he thrives on drama and attention and will fuel him with none.

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Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 22:02

@Marshwawows

Sorry didn't RTFT
That's ok! (I do go on a bit haha). Your previous reply was what I did initially... matched his level of disinterest. Then he had to go and say what he said (couldn't see an eye-roll emoji, but that's what would go here!!)
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Kennykenkencat · 10/12/2021 22:13

Personally I would have gone with

🤣🤣🤣

Nd left it at that and never opened his messages again

CPL593H · 10/12/2021 22:17

Lord, I've met more emotionally mature 14 year olds. Seriously OP, he is a giant prat who is so embroiled in his own (rather dull) drama there is no space for anything sensible. Personally, I would block on the remaining Whatsapp channel and do my best to forget him. I'm quite sure that you can do better than being a shoulder to cry on and occasional distraction for him.

Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 22:28

@CPL593H

Lord, I've met more emotionally mature 14 year olds. Seriously OP, he is a giant prat who is so embroiled in his own (rather dull) drama there is no space for anything sensible. Personally, I would block on the remaining Whatsapp channel and do my best to forget him. I'm quite sure that you can do better than being a shoulder to cry on and occasional distraction for him.
Exactly!! I did tell him (in my wiping the floor with him message) that he has the emotional maturity of a five year old. And that was the nice part of my reply!

I'll ponder the blocking. Like he did to me for so long - no reaction/response is a message in itself. He doesn't deserve all the brain-ache, I'm realising.

I really wish there was a way to 'like' messages here... I've read all responses (and will again tomorrow for a booster!) and you've all helped my morale in this loads. I know it's not the biggest problem in the world right now by a billion miles, but I do really appreciate each reply so much.

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ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 10/12/2021 22:40

also NC as I'm trying not to be outing for this

I've noticed this a lot. I understand why people do it but not why you tell us you've done it. Doesn't it seem unnecessary? Just change the name and ask the question, surely?

MissConductUS · 10/12/2021 22:45

My ex had that same kind of charm when he wanted to be charming. It's just insincere manipulation. You're well rid of him.

Onehotmess · 10/12/2021 22:50

‘I’m sorry you are feeling so low. I’m not the person to pull you out of this. I hope you can find someone who can advise and help you.’
Then block

Onehotmess · 10/12/2021 22:51

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron

also NC as I'm trying not to be outing for this

I've noticed this a lot. I understand why people do it but not why you tell us you've done it. Doesn't it seem unnecessary? Just change the name and ask the question, surely?

I think it’s because people come at new posters saying ‘interesting first post’ or words to that effect like they don’t believe them.
Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 22:55

@ImJustMadAboutSaffron

also NC as I'm trying not to be outing for this

I've noticed this a lot. I understand why people do it but not why you tell us you've done it. Doesn't it seem unnecessary? Just change the name and ask the question, surely?

I think if people look at your history and see there's none there, you could seem like a fake/troll etc. I just wanted to imply that I am actually genuine and didn't type a novel for no reason haha. But yeah, I kind of agree with you too!
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5128gap · 10/12/2021 22:56

Ignore it. Any reply you send will just have you regretting it and wishing you'd said something different.

Fairylighter · 10/12/2021 22:58

@Onehotmess

‘I’m sorry you are feeling so low. I’m not the person to pull you out of this. I hope you can find someone who can advise and help you.’ Then block
That would have been good and beautifully passive aggressive - if I'd not seen red at the time and ripped him a new arsehole!!!
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JimHalpertsPA · 11/12/2021 02:47

I wouldn't reply.

nocnoc · 11/12/2021 03:34

Oh my god you don’t live in the South East near the Coast do you because I’ve got a friend who exactly fits this description of him. He’s from another country originally. He’s an utter narc. He would not have been bothered by your text as he has zero empathy or interest in anyone’s feelings apart from his own. His ego needs the attention of women and he enjoys playing women for his own needs. Don’t respond to him. He’s an expert Hoover so prepare to be contacted again in about a year. Just do not respond. You’re nothing to him so it’s time to move on.

Onthedunes · 11/12/2021 04:07

I've been friends with a local guy for about five years and we have mutual friends too. He's a bit of a 'character' and the 'knows everyone' type (mainly due to his work)

Oh dear, it looks like you've just discovered your part in the life of your 'friend' the narcissist.
It looks like you have been held in a holding possition for quite some years on one of the outer circles. Is he attractive and charming ?
You got on very well with him, he mirrored your feelings and you both fed on helping one another with relationship advice.

That must have felt intoxicating to be let in on his personal world and you fancied him to boot. I bet you loved him popping round, he made you feel special and close, a true confidant.

Now
Imagine this man as the sun, he has his primary love (the ex?), who shall we say is the closest thing he has to total empathy for him, she will give a lot, put up with a lot, he may find her extremely attractive or she has qualities above all others to service his needs.
She is an empath, he will though, critisize her to others.

She, in his circle would be mercury to his sun. You, would be, if being generous at about the earth's orbit.
Narcs tend to have their inner and outer circles, consisting of not just women but men, pulling upon different people for their every need.

They are users.

Some for buisness, some for friendships, validation, triangulation, sexual needs, networking, usually a high turnover of aqaintances to feed their ego.
You were brought closer to him, it was required, whether to triangulate his partner or to ease boredom and fuel his ego. This felt nice to you being brought closer to the sun, maybe as close as Venus.

You were used as you have always been, but now have been shunted to Pluto, you have been discarded.

If you accept how he has behaved you will in time be brought back to being a friend (back to earth possition) but with no expectations, you have been put in your place.

This man is horrible, a user, he is not who you thought he was, you are actually lucky he did not want you for his primary partner.
I would keep well away from him, if you try to interfere with his ex I believe this man could turn nasty.

I don't think you know who you are dealing with.

He will not have liked you ripping him a new arsehole, they always get you back for misdameanors, if not with rage then by using others to blacken your name, a smear campaign behind your back.

There will be many others just like you who are willing to listen and be called upon to be his 'friend'.
The list will be endless.

Stay out of his way and forget about him in everyway possible way, he really isn't your friend.

Bogeyes · 11/12/2021 05:33

Don't waste your time with this guy.

BessSedgwick · 11/12/2021 08:28

You sound lovely, OP.

He ... does not.

AdamRyan · 11/12/2021 08:59

That's a great post dunes