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My ex is stalking me at public events - and my dad is helping him do it

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Warrior93 · 22/11/2021 07:13

I got involved with a guy when I was not in a good place. He clearly had issues - controlling, manipulative, weird, but also obsessed with me. I FINALLY got rid of him this January, but he hasn’t left me alone since.

In the early months post breakup, he turned up at my house a couple of times, crying and begging, and called, messaged, emailed etc. Nothing abusive, just begging to speak to me. I blocked him on everything apart from emails. After a couple of months of this, I called the police and they were brilliant. They rang him and explained the legality of the situation and he stopped harassing me. For a while.

After a couple of months he started again, but worse. My dad and I compete in a sport, which is open to the public to attend (though in Covid you could only be there if you were a competitor). My ex has turned up to several of these events (don’t know how he got in) this year and accosted me, following me around asking to speak, staring at me all the time. I’ve ignored him. Most recently, at the last event he technically left me alone, but he spent the whole weekend lurking, staring. He would not take his eyes off me - he’d appear out of nowhere wherever I was. It was so creepy and of course very distracting. I ignored him completely, as I have done all year.

There is a very dark twist to this which I worry makes it impossible to get rid of him, and leaves me feeling quite desperate and conflicted. My dad, who is a complicated man, runs a small business. The entire time I was with my ex, he kept asking if he could recruit him to work for him. I kept saying no because I knew I would then never be able to break free from this man. The month before I ended it for good, my dad was in a desperate situation and couldn’t find anyone to do a 3 week job over Christmas. So I said yes. The 3 week job happened, ended, my ex went back to what he was doing before, and I broke up with him in the January.

The harassment happened, and shortly before I called the police, I found out through someone else that my dad had rehired my ex permanently, behind my back. He knew all about the stalking. He was even there with him when my ex got the call from the police. He made up an elaborate story to keep this from me - making up a fake name for my ex and even referring to him in conversations so I wouldn’t know who it was. 10 months on and they still work together. Closely together too - he drives all over the country with this man. I have begged, shouted, cried, at my dad to get him to sack my ex, but he just won’t. It’s ruined my relationship with my dad - I never want to call him because my ex might be there, and I cannot understand how he could be missing that very normal paternal instinct to protect his daughter.

So all these events that have happened this year, my ex has been able to turn up and chat to/hang out with my dad. The one last weekend, my dad been BROUGHT HIM to the event, in his car! Then acted all surprised when I was annoyed that he had effectively delivered my stalker to me. I even spoke to my dad and said that my ex was staring at me and intimidating me, and his response was to laugh and say ‘oh well’.

I know I can call the police again, but firstly blocking him on everything won’t stop him from turning up at these events, and secondly, my dad playing the role that he is makes it very difficult to deal with. It’s hard to explain to anyone, including the police, that my dad is at the heart of the problem.

Does anyone have any advice or knowledge of the law that could help me? Thanks so much in advance.

OP posts:
Warrior93 · 23/11/2021 11:25

Thanks everyone for your advice, it’s really helpful. I will say that I spoke to the police this morning and they said I’d struggle to do anything legally to stop him turning up at events because my dad is taking him to them and they are public. A restraining order would likely only stop him from contacting me/talking to me, not from being there, lurking or staring. They can do something about the emails but they’re the least of my worries. So I don’t have many options it seems. And my dad is doing nothing wrong, legally. The season is now over so I have the winter to decide what to do about funding for next year. Thanks again

OP posts:
pickingdaisies · 23/11/2021 16:44

Someone mentioned the Suzy Lamplugh trust, suggest you contact them or a women's aid charity local to you, to find out if the police are correct in what they have told you. Sadly the police don't always have their facts straight when it comes to stalking. I wish you well in disengaging from these nasty people.

Aislebeback · 23/11/2021 16:51

The Police are wrong. No they cannot stop him turning up at events, however with a restraining order they can arrest him for a) breaching it and b) using a 3rd party to harrass you. The 3rd party can also be arrested as an accessory if I remember rightly. You can have a civil retraining order put in the place (and make sure it contains the bit about arrassing via 3rd parties) with the solicitor and you have evidence with the police too already which means you should be successful.

Aislebeback · 23/11/2021 16:52

restraining**

I'm going through something similar with an ex and this is what I was told by the police and a local solicitor recently.

RandomMess · 23/11/2021 17:23

Absolutely speak to National Domestic Violence Helpline they are the experts on this and will help you fill in the forms etc.

ChargingBuck · 23/11/2021 18:45

Warrior, this is so distressing & your dad is an abominable traitor.

I don't have legal advice to give you but PLEASE as a first step, get back in touch with the police, reference your case, & tell them what is happening. It's possible they could have a word with your dad - not about his shitstirring, unbelieveable decision to hire your abuser, but about actively enabling him to continue to stalk & harrass you.

Women's Aid will also be a good source of advice about what you can achieve legally. I am so, so sorry you have been subjected to this appalling treatment by your dad Flowers

junowomensaid.org.uk/stalking-advocacy-service/#:~:text=You%20can%20self-refer%20to%20the%20Stalking%20Advocacy%20Service,stalking%2C%20see%20the%20Professional%27s%20page%20for%20referral%20pathways.

ChargingBuck · 23/11/2021 18:47

Is staring at someone a crime?

When you are already on record for abusing that person & stalking them? Damn right it is - "intimidation".

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 23/11/2021 18:52

Non molestation order on both the cheeky beggars should cover it. Seriously, wtf is your Dad on, thinking he can behave like this? 🤦🏻‍♀️

ChargingBuck · 23/11/2021 18:59

@PatsyJStone

If you are seriously scared and believe you are being stalked then you have to take hard decisions. If this means giving up your sport or going contact with your dad, that’s what you will need to do. If you don’t then you clearly aren’t that worried. A sport, funded by your dad or not, should not take priority over your safety. Your decision will show genuinely how frightened you are in respect of your stalker.

You can’t have it all your way and your dad clearly doesn’t see that your ex is in stalker territory. Telling other participants isn’t going to be effective, you can’t expect them to get involved. This may seem harsh but a real stalker could be a serious danger to your life, you wanting to keep the priority the sport that is paid for by your dad does not indicate that you really feel in danger.

Bollocks.

It's entirely possibly to be genuinely frightened of someone AND unwilling to yield ground to them.
It's not an either/or, & your post has a curiously punishing tone.

I reckon the dad can see perfectly well that this guy is a "real stalker" (nice insinuation & victim-blaming there btw). He simply does not care - or he gets some kind of dysfunctional frisson from it. Probably the latter, as he's a controlling arsehole.

As the police view this ex as a "real stalker" I don't know who the fuck you think you are @PatsyJStone - ticking off the OP like she's a child exaggerating a story.
She doesn't need to run away from her own sport, there are other options, including a restraining order & informing club officials about the prior abuse & current legal requirement for this ex to keep away from her.

ChargingBuck · 23/11/2021 19:01

Have you considered that your Dad understands perfectly well the desire of a man to control a female he “loves” by whatever means necessary given that your father controls you by using your love of this sport and the financial dependency it has created?
Have you considered that your Dad and this absolute fucking nut-job have the same mindset, and that’s why they are buddying up.

Nice one, @MultiStorey.
OP - please heed her words.

Fidgetty · 23/11/2021 19:04

Wow what an utterly dad! I'd absolutely cut him off - I've cut my own dad off for less.

There's something wrong with him, as you said it should be the most natural thing in the world to protect your daughter from predatory men. Jesus it's quite depressing that your own dad could add risk to you.

Fidgetty · 23/11/2021 19:05

Utterly *shit dad

Muttly · 23/11/2021 19:09

Similarly to @MultiStorey I don't think it's that your dad doesn't understand the issue. He is clearly deeply deeply misogynist and completely comfortable with the concept that a man's thoughts, feelings and desires should be prioritised over a woman's, even if that woman is his daughter. I have seen similar with PIL who consistently took BIL's side against their own daughter because they have a deep, instinctive belief that she was not acting sufficiently "feminine" and that's why the relationship does not work.

^i am really sorry OP but this.

My father was absolutely the same when he found out my brother abused my sister and me and in my sisters case for decades.

My father, a man I absolutely adored up until that point in my life told me about although my brother has admitted abusing me, how my sister was “having an affair” with my brother, how my brother wouldn’t ever have to go to jail for something like abusing his sisters and then told me he was continuing his relationship with my brother and never mentioning the abuse again and I’d just have to get on with this.

The level of misogyny and sheer narcissism is utterly shocking in men like this. But also like your situation literally no one else did anything about it. Heck even my sister has gone along with the family bullshit. People’s behaviour can be truly and utterly shocking sometimes. I’m so sorry for what you are experiencing. My personal advice would be to walk away. Life is too short to let a narcissist have that much of a hold over you.

ChargingBuck · 23/11/2021 19:11

@Warrior93

Thanks everyone for your advice, it’s really helpful. I will say that I spoke to the police this morning and they said I’d struggle to do anything legally to stop him turning up at events because my dad is taking him to them and they are public. A restraining order would likely only stop him from contacting me/talking to me, not from being there, lurking or staring. They can do something about the emails but they’re the least of my worries. So I don’t have many options it seems. And my dad is doing nothing wrong, legally. The season is now over so I have the winter to decide what to do about funding for next year. Thanks again
You need that restraining order anyway Warrior. The police are incorrect about not being able to do anything about your dad. It is an offence to aid & abet stalking.

Please, please, talk to the Women's Aid Stalking team.
www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/what-is-domestic-abuse/stalking/

SunshineCake1 · 23/11/2021 19:11

Still call the police. Just because he is your dad it doesn't change what is happening ok. Your ex is still being an abusive prick and hopefully your dad will get into trouble as well.

ChargingBuck · 23/11/2021 19:13

@Muttly Flowers Wine

Animood · 23/11/2021 19:16

OP do you have any money or access to credit?

If you're able I really think you could benefit from some legal advice. Tell a solicitor what's happening, and they will be able to tell you what they can do to help. They will discuss any fees BEFORE doing the work, so you can decide what to do. Shop around. Don't like one solicitor? See another. Fees seem too high? Ask for someone more junior.

Make sure you get a record of everything he does from now on- every missed call, every email, every text, next time you see him, get your camera out and stand there and film the twat. Put them all in one folder on your phone. Report him to the non emergency police line every single time then make a record of your crime reference numbers.

I don't believe the police when they say you would struggle. Sorry but I don't. I'm sure there are great officers out there but they don't have many resources. Speak to your solicitor about how to prepare for a criminal case.

Get angry with him. He doesn't have the right to do this. Stand up for your right to exist in the world without him.

Warrior93 · 23/11/2021 19:19

Thank you all for the kind words. Yes I forgot to mention really that I kept racing because I didn’t want to give up what I love to avoid this man. I felt that would be giving in to him and giving him exactly what he wants - control. I also thought he would give up after a while, but of course my dad encourages him to come now anyway. I am going to get some advice from a lawyer on a restraining order. It would be great if something could be done to change my dad’s actions as well. There are some options around doing different events, switching to something different etc. I don’t think there’s much that can be done from within the sport - especially given he is a ‘spectator’ who isn’t a member of any club (otherwise they could ban him from events). Honestly, reading every single comment here has reminded me of why I’ve come so close, so many times, to disowning my dad. Thanks all again and feel free to keep commenting as this no doubt is helping other people too.

OP posts:
Fireblanket · 23/11/2021 19:34

I suspect you'll feel an enormous sense of relief if you actively walk away from the sport. I would imagine you can't be enjoying it very much at the moment if you are aware that every movement of yours is being watched by this creepy man. Even though you don't want him to push you away from your life's passion, sadly, on one level, he already has.

PatsyJStone · 23/11/2021 19:36

ChargingBuck...

I’m not the only one to suggest that she needs to be firm in her actions but fine you just vent at me, you’ve got lots of anger so fucking let it all out. I hope you’re feeling a bit better now.

But let’s just also encourage someone to continue putting herself in what she feels is a dangerous situation as well. As that makes complete sense!

Whatever you say...

Oh but apparently you say the police are wrong in their advice yet a couple of posts after yet to me you say they believe she has a stalker. Seems there’s only you actually knows what is what. Better let the police know as well then hadn’t you?

Hmmm. Confused much.

Take a chill pill and read the full thread before you have a go at one individual when many are in agreement that if the poster feels she is at risk then she should avoid the sport, until it is resolved.

Mummyoflittledragon · 23/11/2021 19:40

I think a period of no contact with your father would bring you a lot of peace.

Aislebeback · 23/11/2021 22:15

@Warrior93

Thank you all for the kind words. Yes I forgot to mention really that I kept racing because I didn’t want to give up what I love to avoid this man. I felt that would be giving in to him and giving him exactly what he wants - control. I also thought he would give up after a while, but of course my dad encourages him to come now anyway. I am going to get some advice from a lawyer on a restraining order. It would be great if something could be done to change my dad’s actions as well. There are some options around doing different events, switching to something different etc. I don’t think there’s much that can be done from within the sport - especially given he is a ‘spectator’ who isn’t a member of any club (otherwise they could ban him from events). Honestly, reading every single comment here has reminded me of why I’ve come so close, so many times, to disowning my dad. Thanks all again and feel free to keep commenting as this no doubt is helping other people too.
A restraining order doesn't just stop talking to you and letters etc. It can stop him coming within a certain distance of you as well if you want it to. :) stay strong, you got this.
ChargingBuck · 23/11/2021 22:37

Oh but apparently you say the police are wrong in their advice yet a couple of posts after yet to me you say they believe she has a stalker. Seems there’s only you actually knows what is what. Better let the police know as well then hadn’t you?

That's right @PatsyJStone.

In her first report, the police believed OP about her stalker, & took action to advise him to lay off.

In her second, they have given her incorrect advice, & are wrong.

HerewardTheWoke · 23/11/2021 22:45

OP, call the National Stalking Helpline. It's run by the Suzy Lamplugh Trust and they can give you advice on the options.

www.suzylamplugh.org/Pages/Category/national-stalking-helpline

ErrmWTAF · 24/11/2021 03:30

I agree with PPs that you shouldn't accept this weak-ass shit from the cops, but get some advice from Suzy Lampugh, Women's Aid, etc. I see you're contacting s solicitor, good on yer.

As you mentioned, the season is over, so you've got a whole off-season to gather your forces, maybe get a sponsor, etc.

But it also begs the question: what's your stalker and dad going to do in the off-season?

Now is not the time to be complacent.