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Telling a woman about her husband’s gay affairs...

225 replies

saturnaliand · 08/11/2021 10:31

First off, I don’t actually intend on telling her anything, although I could.

I guess I’d be interested in knowing if you’d want to know if this were your man?

The man I’m referring to is middle-aged and was upfront with his wife from the beginning that he’d had gay relationships and she was ok with this in a kind of ‘as long as you tell me and do not lie’ kind of way. That’s easy to agree to when you’re young, in love (with a woman you want to marry) and not intending on doing anything with anyone else, male or female.

It’s harder when you’re older, children almost grown up, sex life with the wife non-existent and you were gay to begin with. This isn’t some new thing he’s been experimenting with, he’s always been gay but he wanted the normality (apologies for the word) of being in a heterosexual relationship as he disliked the gay lifestyle and was regularly cheated on by the boyfriends he’d had when single.

Marrying a woman who was a lot less likely to cheat and he could have a family with seemed the better option.

He’s had some flings over the last few years or so and has recently started a new one as the last one was cut short because of the lockdowns and pandemic. Rather than go back to the previous boyfriend (if that’s the right term), he joined one of the popular hookup sites (Fabguys.com I think) and has met someone from there.

They meet regularly under the guise of going to the gym and often book hotels for the other workouts they enjoy. They go for meals, to the theatre and it’s a real ‘bromance’. The new boyfriend is also married to a woman and has a family.

To the outside world, this man is just a respectable married man with a family, but he has a controlling personality that he seems to reserve for his boyfriends. One of his ex-boyfriends that he’s had during his marriage needed therapy to get over his possessiveness, his jealousy, his moodiness and his constant need for attention as well as the cruel way the boyfriend was dumped and replaced with another.

Some of his behaviour to his boyfriends is borderline ‘gas-lighting’ behaviour.

His wife sees a totally different side, the nice side, as do his children and, so far, the new boyfriend.

This man hasn’t no intention of leaving his wife or nice lifestyle and presumably no intention of confirming her suspicions that’s he has a new boyfriend. She’s not known about any of them, just has suspicions.

He doesn’t see he’s doing anything wrong as he’s not getting sex at home, his wife knows he’s gay and has a new best friend. She just doesn’t know for certain that her husband and his new mate are lovers.

If you were his wife, would you want to know?

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katieg03 · 13/11/2021 20:33

You just don't know what the wife knows, where she sleeps at night, why she has made the choices she has. Frankly that part is between her and her husband.

Anyone who sleeps with a married man risks getting burnt I'm afraid. Your friend needs to block and move on. Chalk it down to bad experience of being dumped and sleep with single partners in the future! His morals are clearly shady.

The husband is probably saying whatever he feels someone wants to hear. He's living a double life, with the blessing of his wife in some form. But that's between them . Nobody else.

Frankola · 13/11/2021 22:13

You and your friend need to stay out of it.

Your friend is this man's ex so I'm not sure why he is so heavily invested and involved in this other than wanting to "get revenge" on married man.

He says this man doesn't have sex with his wife. How do you know that's true?! Most married men having affairs come out with that claptrap to the affair partner.

If this is a long marriage it's very likely the wife knows. They might have a private agreement for all you know. She may be happy for him to take affair partners.

The only time I'd ever consider this being a good idea was if this married man was not using protection with his boyfriends as he could be putting his wife's health at risk.

sybillalle · 13/11/2021 23:29

This is one of the reasons not to get involved with married people. It will always cause pain.

He needs to block this man's number. There is no good that will come of continuing to correspond. Take control of his own recovery and Seek counselling. It's got nothing to do with the married guy. Married guy will never provide what he is looking for.

Look for partners who are single and out in future, to protect his own happiness and those of others.

Closetbeanmuncher · 14/11/2021 00:03

more to somehow force the husband into making some proper choices

😂😂 Yeah that's never going to happen.

If it was me I would want to know tbh.

KaycePollard · 14/11/2021 10:25

Your friend seems to have an 'addiction' and needs help in breaking it.

This is what it looks like from what @saturnaliand keeps on writing. It’s not particularly healthy for either the OP or his friend.

Beefcurtains79 · 15/11/2021 09:51

Your friend is Derek Desparado, the married man is probably revolted by him at this point.
You both sound like hideous saddos, fancy telling someone who dumped you as his side piece you need counselling to get over them in a obvious, last ditch attempt at emotional blackmail. I’m cringing for him.

Sugarntailsnluvlyspicysnails · 15/11/2021 13:38

It sounds like your friend wants reassurance that he meant something to this man. More than just a shag anyway. I imagine your friend probably felt as if he was letting the married man live his authentic life by being with him and freeing him from the pain and shackles of his sham marriage while they were together. Somehow the affair was altruistic...? He could only be his real self with your friend, and your friend is desperate to maintain that idea to gain validation from it. Unfortunately it's just part of the cheater's script. They all say things like "I can only be myself with you. No one understands me like you." They say it because it works, not because they really mean it. They probably say it to their partners/wives/husbands too. In fact there are many threads on here where the cheated on partner says that they do and are in total shock when the affair comes to light because they were being told how loved they were.

Your friend needs to work on self validation. He needs to actually get counselling rather than telling the married guy that he wants to. Unfortunately, I doubt he meant much more to the married guy than a bit of fun as the cheating married man is clearly a selfish liar. But I've been in your position as a friend and family member entered into affairs with married people. It ended up very badly for both and took a long time for them to see that all they'd lost was a liar and a cheat. I think it's because they knew that they'd done a horrible thing and been so easily manipulated and misled. They didn't want to think that the could have been fooled so easily, or that they were complicit in hurting someone else. The partners had to be doing something wrong so that the affair was justified. In the end, it they grieved the loss and moved on from those people but their trust in their own judgement is something that is still being reviewed in therapy.

So no real advice as it just takes time. Although that goes more quickly when all ties have been cut!

saturnaliand · 17/11/2021 18:26

@Sugarntailsnluvlyspicysnails

Thanks for your thoughts, which are very accurate, certainly in terms of my friend wanting the married man to say it meant something and maybe it did at the time, but contact has dwindled down to nothing.

Probably for the best. No one has been blocked, they just don’t get in touch anymore and the married guy was only responding to messages rather than actually getting in touch.

That tells its own story.

A private counsellor has been found, but there is a waiting list unfortunately but my friend has accepted that this has to be discussed with a professional.

On the upside, my feels more his old self and has been on a date with a single guy!

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saturnaliand · 17/11/2021 19:04

@AdamRyan

Obviously my friend only has the husband’s version of events, but they’ve known each other a number of years and so he’s either just a good liar in terms of remembering what he’s said or he’s honest in terms of things like not getting any sex at home. I think there is a sizeable minority of married men who say they aren't getting any sex at home when they mean their wife isn't prioritising their sexual wants any more I.e. the frequency and variety isn't what they want. It's a bollocks justification in the mind of cheating men.

Your friend would do well to read up on chump lady or similar, as I think he's been had. If the husband is abusive, a narcissist or similar, your friend has had a lucky escape because those kinds of people lie as easily as breathing. It's hard to imagine if you are fundamentally a decent person.

He might also do well to look into trauma bonds.

@AdamRyan

We followed up on the suggestion you made about the Chump Lady and contacted her regarding ‘should the wife be told’ and CL seemed to think she should and said my friend was ‘conspiring in the abuse of another’ by remaining quiet.

Pretty strong words, but that’s not to say that it will happen.

CL was also scathing about my friend getting involved in the first place, but said to tell the wife in ‘kind’ way, provide some proof and then let go as it’s then up to her what she does with the information.

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saturnaliand · 17/11/2021 19:06

@AdamRyan

We also looked up Trauma Bonds and hopefully it can be discussed during counselling as there could be something in that.

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Sillawithans · 17/11/2021 19:09

I would 100% want to know.
Don't ask us what we would do, ask yourself what's the right thing to do op.

Sugarntailsnluvlyspicysnails · 17/11/2021 21:52

Glad to hear he's on the waiting list at least. I hope he can talk to someone soon. My friend has been upset and angry with themselves that they could be manipulated so easily. They wonder what is wrong or broken about themselves that they are. I hope your friend gets help before he goes down that path. The people like the married man are usually quite adept at manipulation, so it's definitely more about his crappy behaviour. Glad he's dating and that its a single guy! He just needs to keep an eye out for red flags in the future.

chocolateorangeinhaler · 18/11/2021 14:50

She knows full well what's going on. She just doesn't want to discuss it with you OP.

rampitup · 18/11/2021 15:07

@chocolateorangeinhaler

She knows full well what's going on. She just doesn't want to discuss it with you OP.
She may not, you know. It's surprising how much a person can get away with when their partner is the trusting type.
Ajdf · 18/11/2021 23:53

The OP is ‘ the friend’ in all this. He’s on fabguys and asked same question on there and everyone said he was out of order and got lots of abuse for it. He’s referring to the ex boyfriend as if it’s one of his mates but it’s him it’s happened to. The married guy left the OP for another guy and now the OP wants revenge. It’s pathetic how much this is taking over your life. You need help. It’s consuming you. Keep away from married men. Your still looking for them on your profile in fabguys.

saturnaliand · 19/11/2021 07:34

@Ajdf The mention of the Fabguys profile wasn’t anything to do with me personally and I’m not aware of the exact site itself and am certainly not in there in a personal capacity.

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Monalotmoore · 19/11/2021 07:50

@Ajdf

The OP is ‘ the friend’ in all this. He’s on fabguys and asked same question on there and everyone said he was out of order and got lots of abuse for it. He’s referring to the ex boyfriend as if it’s one of his mates but it’s him it’s happened to. The married guy left the OP for another guy and now the OP wants revenge. It’s pathetic how much this is taking over your life. You need help. It’s consuming you. Keep away from married men. Your still looking for them on your profile in fabguys.
And you are the married man?
Ajdf · 19/11/2021 08:14

The OP on here is very similar to a user on fabguys. Same type of grammar etc. Just making a point that the OP on this post refers to his mate as the ex boyfriend when it’s him himself.

Beefcurtains79 · 19/11/2021 08:16

That makes sense, most people had guessed this anyway due to his utter lust for gaining revenge on the married man who dared to discard him.
Coupled with the spiteful misogynistic jealousy of his wife it is obvious, and pathetic.
Move on with your life and learn a hard lesson for the future. And stay away from married men, it’ll end in tears.

Monalotmoore · 19/11/2021 08:18

You'll be surprised how many 'happily' married men you find on gay hook up sites lol

saturnaliand · 19/11/2021 09:03

@Ajdf

The OP on here is very similar to a user on fabguys. Same type of grammar etc. Just making a point that the OP on this post refers to his mate as the ex boyfriend when it’s him himself.
I’m afraid that the comparison is a bit lost on me, sorry.
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Ajdf · 19/11/2021 09:07

It’s pretty simple. You refer to your mate as the ex boyfriend. But it’s really yourself.

saturnaliand · 19/11/2021 09:07

@Beefcurtains79

That makes sense, most people had guessed this anyway due to his utter lust for gaining revenge on the married man who dared to discard him. Coupled with the spiteful misogynistic jealousy of his wife it is obvious, and pathetic. Move on with your life and learn a hard lesson for the future. And stay away from married men, it’ll end in tears.
As I’ve said before, you can surmise all you like about who I am or who my friend is, are we the same person etc as there’s not much I can do, on an anonymous website, to prove otherwise.

There’s been no misogyny, but you’re obviously free to think otherwise.

My friend is emerging from the long, dark tunnel he’s been in recently and that’s what counts.

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saturnaliand · 19/11/2021 09:08

@Ajdf

It’s pretty simple. You refer to your mate as the ex boyfriend. But it’s really yourself.
See previous response to @Beefcurtains79
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Ajdf · 19/11/2021 09:12

I feel for you mate. You obviously got involved in something you thought was going to develop into something more and with the married guy not interested in you anymore. He’s meeting other guys or just one guy. You’ve spat the dummy and your seeking to ruin his life. It’s textbook from the forum thread on fabguys recently. You need to move on with your life. Don’t get involved with married guys.

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