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DH found out about a job I applied for in secret

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SecretJob · 08/11/2021 09:12

I had been making a plan to leave DH and I managed to get a job but they're still doing all the background etc checks so not started yet. DH found out about the job this weekend. I stupidly left my emails open and he saw it. I currently work for DH's business.

I have been feeling really conflicted over everything because things have been going well between us, I've been having some counselling which is helping me and I'm feeling a lot happier and calmer and I was doubting myself if I should leave or not anyway. He's good to me in a lot of ways and we have a really nice life in a lot of ways. I find it hard to make decisions or to know what I want at the best of times. I love him and we've been together a long time and I don't want to leave him, but at the same time I can't ignore that I have had this voice in my head for a while now telling me to apply for jobs, make plans, etc.

He was so angry when he found out about the job I'd got (understandably really as I'd done it behind his back), and I cried and apologised and ended up agreeing to not take the job.

I have to contact the new job today to let them know and I feel like I can't do it. I feel absolutely sick to my stomach. I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
timeisnotaline · 30/11/2021 11:53

So pleased you are hanging in there and have seen your new place!

JustATempAcctToSay · 30/11/2021 12:07

I don't post here, I just read the feminism boards, then occasionally click on a trending topic. I just made an acct because I read this whole thread with my heart in my mouth for you, and I wanted to add my voice as someone who has been there, long ago, and who has a close friend who has recently got away from a similar man and is now healing. Neither of us was in such an intense situation as you, and I am in awe at your strength in finding it in you to leave. You can heal and feel like yourself again, you've already been through the hardest bits and you're still fighting for yourself. There are many wonderful people in the world who are waiting to get to know you, who will be so proud of you for your strength and resilience.

Now you need all the support you can get to make the break as clean as possible - when you are trauma bonded to someone then you do sometimes pine for them, feel as if you love them, know that 'it would all be okay if they were here...' but those feelings are an illusion, and they DO fade, as time passes. The cycle of abuse is like an addiction and you're going cold turkey. You've already shown you're strong enough to do it, but to make it easier for you you could make a list of people or helplines you can call when you feel low, and start making or re-making female friendships as a priority. And I'm sure you already know about the Freedom Programme, it's really worth doing. I'm in Oxfordshire if you ever need a friend there.

Doomscrolling · 30/11/2021 12:20

So delighted to read your update about your new home!

MalbecandToast · 30/11/2021 13:00

Oh OP I'm so pleased to get to the end of this thread and see you've taken the job and have your own place!

holrosea · 30/11/2021 13:31

I am literally fizzing with excitement for you, OP. I am counting the days until you are safe in your own little home and free of this terrible man.

Agree with others upthread; inform important people of your change of adress directly, do not do anything that could alert him to your departure.

Some PP said that once you leave you don't even need to tell him you've gone. I am 100% a fan of this approach. You do not owe him a single thing, you have been broken down and ground down and abused, your time has been used up, your energy used up, your skills put to use for him, and there is absolutely no doubt that HE KNEW and he did it DELIBERATELY.

If you feel able to, I'd simply walk out, settle into your new life and have no contact with him ever again other than via a solicitor for the divorce. I think it might be the safest thing for your own mind. xx

BlusteringBoobies · 30/11/2021 20:51

OP, I like others have seen your threads pop up every now and then. I can always tell it's you as my eyes always well up reading about the latest incident and the way you write is always so apologetic for your feeling and existence.

Each time I see a new one I prepare myself to feel an overwhelming sense of sadness that this is real life for someone out there who doesn't realise how great life can be and how much living in the shadows of a monster has beaten you down-it is so clear from your posts.

But something is different about this one...I can read the change in you and the beginnings of hope for something better-and that equally makes me well up with pride and excitement at the life in front of you.

I add myself to the hundreds of women supporters you have here and also with a real offer of help if you are south east London. Please keep posting: in moments of doubt, uncertainty and fear which are completely normal, keep coming back here for encouragement. We are all rooting for you and willing you on.

It will no doubt be the hardest, most upsetting, fearful but also wonderful, marvellous, freeing thing you will do! I wish you all the hope and happiness in the world 💐

Martyitsyourkids · 30/11/2021 21:27

Amazing. Keep going 💪

IslaInthesun · 30/11/2021 22:07

Good luck sweetheart

thenewduchessofhastings · 30/11/2021 22:13

Shamelessly place marking as I want to know that the OP makes it out safely and into her new home.

OP just imagine the beautiful Christmas you'll have in your new home where you can truly relax and enjoy the peace.

Nat6999 · 01/12/2021 00:47

11 years ago I left my abusive dh & like you I was terrified. Ds & I spent 6 months doing a combination of sofa surfing & staying at my parents until we got a council house. I can't describe the feeling the first night we spent in our new home, we snuggled up on the sofa in front of the fire watching television & eating pizza, then I read him a bedtime story & put him to bed. The feeling that I didn't have to walk on eggshells watching every word I said, I could watch what I wanted on television & could read in bed if I wanted, there is no better feeling. Hold that feeling that you got going in your new home & every time you have a wobble remember your new life is waiting for you & one day when the time is right there will be someone else for you who will treat you properly.

NettleTea · 01/12/2021 10:31

Im wishing you all the best

AngelonTopoftheTree · 02/12/2021 23:30

Really hoping that you're out, please let us know you're safe! Just one MNer here thinking and worrying about you Flowers

Bluetrews25 · 03/12/2021 12:55

Gosh, I think it's a week today you will move out?
Please be careful, he might sense it. If in doubt or you feel unsafe just go. 'Stuff' doesn't matter as much as you do, and you can claim it back later.
Best of luck and best of wishes. xx
New life - - - - - - >

HELPNEEDHELP12398765 · 03/12/2021 13:07

You really should take the job.

I did the same thing last year, I applied for jobs without telling my husband. I only told him I was applying for one once I had actually been offered it and accepted it. I knew that way he would have less chance of convincing me it was a bad idea to even apply (I was a stay at home mum before).

Taking the job was the best thing I did, it gave me financial independence, time outside of the house and the confidence to realise that I could do things on my own.

I left him this year and although things are very difficult at the moment it was the best thing I did. I had felt trapped for years before and the job was my way out.

Please don't turn down the job because he has told you to/convinced you to it off guilt.

MrsBison · 03/12/2021 13:10

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fantasmasgoria1 · 03/12/2021 13:16

Mrs bison, are you some kind of troll? Op's husband is an abuser so why should she stay? My husband inflicted all kinds of abuse upon me including rape so by your reasoning I should have stuck it out?!?

BlusteringBoobies · 03/12/2021 13:16

Ahhh MrsBison this is the second time this morning I've stumbled on your absolutely useless advice designed to make the OP feel like shit.

This is the worst abuse I've ever read on here. I've reported your post and can only assume you must be a sad little troll

AngelonTopoftheTree · 03/12/2021 13:19

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meadowbleu · 03/12/2021 13:23

Modern marriage is a contract, with promises and obligations applying to both sides. Break the contract and the deal's off.

I hope you're OK, OP.

MrsBison · 03/12/2021 13:32

@fantasmasgoria1 and @BlusteringBoobies

I didnt realise he was an abuser. Was that mentioned in the opening post?!

MrsBison · 03/12/2021 13:33

The opening post says he is a good husband...? Nothing mentioned about abuse

BlusteringBoobies · 03/12/2021 13:37

@Valeriane

This is massive deja vu. In August of last year you were accepted onto a teaching course after a lifetime of wanting to be a primary teacher. Unfortunately, this is what happened back then: *He found out about the course.

I'd changed my password on my phone but he managed to guess it, I think it made him suspicious that I'd changed it. I'd been so careful about not leaving it lying around but my sister called to drop something off and I chatted to her on the doorstep for a bit. When I came back he'd seen a message with a link to download the official Uni app, saying something like "now you're enrolled".

I couldn't think of anything to say but the truth, so I told him. To be fair, he wasn't angry. He was annoyed at first but I was in tears, I told him that he knows how unhappy I've been at work and that I need to change something and that I don't know how I can carry on feeling like this. I told him everything about the course and work.

He said he would support me if I wanted to do the course, but that he didn't think I should do it. He reminded me of the things I've tried, and failed at, in the past. He said he didn't think my mental health was in the right place to manage it. He said if I don't like being stressed at work then how will I cope being a teacher?

He's right. Everything he saidisright, to be fair. I have had multiple jobs in the past, I have tried things and failed. I spent a lot of time working in call centres which I hated. He said that I have a tendency to think thatthiswould solve my problem and it never does the problem is still there and this will be the same.

I can't leave him. I just can't do it. I don't have the strength. I don't have the confidence. He is right, everything he said is right. And he looked so hurt that I'd done all this behind his back, I feel so guilty.

To be fair, he did say he would start to support me better at work. He said he would make time to spend a day or two in the office each week so he brought less paperwork home. He said we could change our office (the one we're in at the minute isn't very nice). He said I can have an afternoon or two off during the week. He said we could get a cleaner for home so that I don't have to do it all. He said he doesn't want to give up hope that we won't have a baby and that he would look at fostering if that's what I want.

It will have to be enough. I think I'm just going to have to accept that my life is what it is, not everyone gets to work in a job that they love, and I will just have to find a way to deal with it. I need to change my attitude so I'm not always thinking that the grass is greener on the other side.

I'm sorry to let everyone down, you've all been so kind and supportive to me. Thank you so much for all your comments and your help and advice.*

This time around, did you REALLY "stupidly" leave your email open? It sounds an unlikely thing to do.

I think he is much worse than you think and has access to your email.

@MrsBison I'm sorry but it is so easy now to read all the OPs posts and before posting such a sweeping generalisation it may have been a good idea to read some of them. But even in the opening post, it is clear for most posters to see this is an unhappy woman trapped in her marriage

Take some responsibility before posting in future

BlusteringBoobies · 03/12/2021 13:38

@MsDogLady

OP, I know this is scary and difficult, but you DO have agency and you CAN follow through to freedom and empowerment.

I recall several of your threads, and yours is the most extreme case of coercive control I have ever encountered. You’ve previously commented that to cope you ‘forget’ or minimize your H’s behavior, and then your eyes open again when elaborating in your threads. Be aware that your H is manipulating you again. You and he are repeating the pattern.

Some of your H’s controlling behavior:
*He dominates and expects compliance. You are only allowed to bathe at 7:36 p.m. Sometimes he will try to persuade you to wait until the next day. When you insisted earlier this year, he intentionally sabotaged you by defecating in your bathroom (there are 2) right before 7:36.

*When he spends evening hours (sometimes until midnight) and weekends doing paperwork at the dining room table, you must sit there with him. You are not allowed to say you are uncomfortable or bored. He has rules about what you can and can’t do while there. You can bring him food and do a craft. You can open your iPad but aren’t allowed to wear headphones to watch Netflix. You must tell him what website you are on, and you cannot read or smile/laugh at what you see because you must always be available to chat. You must also inform him about any texts or alerts you receive on your phone. If you go to the bathroom or walk the dogs and he thinks you are taking too long, you must explain why.

*You have a box room office, which gives you a respite from his constant demands, but he will sabotage your going in there by removing your office chair.

*He hates for you to socialize. You have distanced yourself from friends. When you looked forward to attending a friend’s child’s 1st birthday party, he methodically broke you down (as usual). You were initially determined to not give in, but he got angry and taunted you, even saying you’d make a fool of yourself there, and you didn’t go. Now your friend isn’t speaking to you.

*You asked a month in advance to be off on your birthday, as a friend wanted to treat you to a picnic. He reluctantly allowed you 1/2 day off, but you couldn’t enjoy the outing due to your anxiety about being off and worrying that he would start calling you. You don’t think you were good company to your kind friend.

*He is hostile to and about your family. Therefore, you have backed off from interacting with them. He refused to allow you to take a day trip with them. He won’t attend their gatherings and kicks off if you want to go, accusing you of not loving him if you’d leave him alone to attend. He is compelled to tell people they are wrong about things and has no filter, so he has no friends and is on the outs with his family.

*He humiliates you. One morning in March he asked you to ‘help him’ declutter his messy van, as he was picking up someone. When you went out in your pyjamas and coat, he was dumping his van’s trash and clutter on the pavement and you crouched down to start gathering it. He suddenly said he was leaving and you asked him to not move the van yet, as you’d be in clear view of traffic and neighbors. He sped away anyway and you felt mortified. You asked posters if his actions were acceptable.

*He doesn’t care if you are physically uncomfortable. He insists on your accompanying him on his miles and miles of walks, even when you are ill or injured. You enjoy walking a reasonable distance, but he always adds extra miles than agreed on, or goes into rougher terrain. On trips he refuses taxis or public transport, so it’s walk, walk, walk, and you invariably end up in pain and limping for days. He doesn’t care, and if you balk he gets angry, sulks and keeps walking. On a trip to NYC, you had to walk 18+ miles a day, and when you were crying in pain and couldn’t walk the route to dinner, he was furious and refused to get a taxi, bring in take-away, or order room service. You suspect all the hard walking has contributed to your knee and foot injury. At home he insists that you wait on him hand and foot even if you are ill or in pain. When you once burned your hand, he didn’t even comment.

*He has hundreds of rules about everything. This includes home routines, food, and how you spend your money. For example, you are allowed to spend money on your hair but not your nails because he doesn’t like the nail technician. Certain statements and products cannot be mentioned or liked. He decides how much sleep you get, and causes you sleep deprivation.

*No peace or privacy. Whenever you are apart, he bombards you with calls checking up on you, so you are constantly on edge and have developed a stutter. If you cut a call short, he will get back at you for it. He relentlessly checks your phone. One day when you were out and he thought you were in class so didn’t call, you felt utter bliss and peace…

The list goes on and on. You’ve called your life a prison and yourself a shell. You’ve trained yourself to stay in line.

OP, please do not allow this Abuser to sabotage this opportunity for you. You have every right to take this job, and your H doesn’t have to understand or approve. You’ve said that after feeling useless for so long, the interviews gave you hope because they saw your potential. You need to grab that and follow through now.

Take the job and move to your studio apartment when it is ready. Continue counseling for support. You’ve already taken the first step and you can take another. Flowers

Apologies, I meant to quite this as a good summary of OPs situation
ProudlyMarried · 03/12/2021 13:40

@BlusteringBoobies

I disagree, i am not going to read through 29 pages nor search up the OPs post history tbh...

I think its fair to presume that all material facts are provided in the opening post, and respond based on what is given.

ProudlyMarried · 03/12/2021 13:41

If OP mentioned all the facts in the 1st post, my response would be different