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DH found out about a job I applied for in secret

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SecretJob · 08/11/2021 09:12

I had been making a plan to leave DH and I managed to get a job but they're still doing all the background etc checks so not started yet. DH found out about the job this weekend. I stupidly left my emails open and he saw it. I currently work for DH's business.

I have been feeling really conflicted over everything because things have been going well between us, I've been having some counselling which is helping me and I'm feeling a lot happier and calmer and I was doubting myself if I should leave or not anyway. He's good to me in a lot of ways and we have a really nice life in a lot of ways. I find it hard to make decisions or to know what I want at the best of times. I love him and we've been together a long time and I don't want to leave him, but at the same time I can't ignore that I have had this voice in my head for a while now telling me to apply for jobs, make plans, etc.

He was so angry when he found out about the job I'd got (understandably really as I'd done it behind his back), and I cried and apologised and ended up agreeing to not take the job.

I have to contact the new job today to let them know and I feel like I can't do it. I feel absolutely sick to my stomach. I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
grapewine · 09/11/2021 07:34

*this man

MsDogLady · 09/11/2021 08:38

OP, I know this is scary and difficult, but you DO have agency and you CAN follow through to freedom and empowerment.

I recall several of your threads, and yours is the most extreme case of coercive control I have ever encountered. You’ve previously commented that to cope you ‘forget’ or minimize your H’s behavior, and then your eyes open again when elaborating in your threads. Be aware that your H is manipulating you again. You and he are repeating the pattern.

Some of your H’s controlling behavior:
*He dominates and expects compliance. You are only allowed to bathe at 7:36 p.m. Sometimes he will try to persuade you to wait until the next day. When you insisted earlier this year, he intentionally sabotaged you by defecating in your bathroom (there are 2) right before 7:36.

*When he spends evening hours (sometimes until midnight) and weekends doing paperwork at the dining room table, you must sit there with him. You are not allowed to say you are uncomfortable or bored. He has rules about what you can and can’t do while there. You can bring him food and do a craft. You can open your iPad but aren’t allowed to wear headphones to watch Netflix. You must tell him what website you are on, and you cannot read or smile/laugh at what you see because you must always be available to chat. You must also inform him about any texts or alerts you receive on your phone. If you go to the bathroom or walk the dogs and he thinks you are taking too long, you must explain why.

*You have a box room office, which gives you a respite from his constant demands, but he will sabotage your going in there by removing your office chair.

*He hates for you to socialize. You have distanced yourself from friends. When you looked forward to attending a friend’s child’s 1st birthday party, he methodically broke you down (as usual). You were initially determined to not give in, but he got angry and taunted you, even saying you’d make a fool of yourself there, and you didn’t go. Now your friend isn’t speaking to you.

*You asked a month in advance to be off on your birthday, as a friend wanted to treat you to a picnic. He reluctantly allowed you 1/2 day off, but you couldn’t enjoy the outing due to your anxiety about being off and worrying that he would start calling you. You don’t think you were good company to your kind friend.

*He is hostile to and about your family. Therefore, you have backed off from interacting with them. He refused to allow you to take a day trip with them. He won’t attend their gatherings and kicks off if you want to go, accusing you of not loving him if you’d leave him alone to attend. He is compelled to tell people they are wrong about things and has no filter, so he has no friends and is on the outs with his family.

*He humiliates you. One morning in March he asked you to ‘help him’ declutter his messy van, as he was picking up someone. When you went out in your pyjamas and coat, he was dumping his van’s trash and clutter on the pavement and you crouched down to start gathering it. He suddenly said he was leaving and you asked him to not move the van yet, as you’d be in clear view of traffic and neighbors. He sped away anyway and you felt mortified. You asked posters if his actions were acceptable.

*He doesn’t care if you are physically uncomfortable. He insists on your accompanying him on his miles and miles of walks, even when you are ill or injured. You enjoy walking a reasonable distance, but he always adds extra miles than agreed on, or goes into rougher terrain. On trips he refuses taxis or public transport, so it’s walk, walk, walk, and you invariably end up in pain and limping for days. He doesn’t care, and if you balk he gets angry, sulks and keeps walking. On a trip to NYC, you had to walk 18+ miles a day, and when you were crying in pain and couldn’t walk the route to dinner, he was furious and refused to get a taxi, bring in take-away, or order room service. You suspect all the hard walking has contributed to your knee and foot injury. At home he insists that you wait on him hand and foot even if you are ill or in pain. When you once burned your hand, he didn’t even comment.

*He has hundreds of rules about everything. This includes home routines, food, and how you spend your money. For example, you are allowed to spend money on your hair but not your nails because he doesn’t like the nail technician. Certain statements and products cannot be mentioned or liked. He decides how much sleep you get, and causes you sleep deprivation.

*No peace or privacy. Whenever you are apart, he bombards you with calls checking up on you, so you are constantly on edge and have developed a stutter. If you cut a call short, he will get back at you for it. He relentlessly checks your phone. One day when you were out and he thought you were in class so didn’t call, you felt utter bliss and peace…

The list goes on and on. You’ve called your life a prison and yourself a shell. You’ve trained yourself to stay in line.

OP, please do not allow this Abuser to sabotage this opportunity for you. You have every right to take this job, and your H doesn’t have to understand or approve. You’ve said that after feeling useless for so long, the interviews gave you hope because they saw your potential. You need to grab that and follow through now.

Take the job and move to your studio apartment when it is ready. Continue counseling for support. You’ve already taken the first step and you can take another. Flowers

Buildingthefuture · 09/11/2021 09:06

Jesus Christ?!! I was just about to ask was I missing something (DH and I own a business together, so if I found out he’d secretly applied for a different job behind my back I’d be floored - and fucking livid!) But then I read the post by @msdoglady. If even 1% of that is true, RUN IMMEDIATELY. Do not accept one more second of being bullied, controlled and threatened by this hateful, hateful man. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TAKE THE JOB……

litterbird · 09/11/2021 09:26

Morning OP, are you ok? Let us know what has happened. We are all routing for you to take the job and get away from your prison. If you have discarded the job and towed the line back in to the business then learn from this. The learning is you can get a good job on your own merit. I suspect you have gone back and into the abuse cycle now. Remember it takes a lot of false starts for someone in an abusive relationship to get out. When you are ready (you already have the little place to escape to) then leave with another job that you get. Just let us know how you are.

BobLemon · 09/11/2021 09:28

PLEASE take the job!!

KatherineSiena · 09/11/2021 09:36

The trouble is you are trapped in this cycle of abuse. Your DH’s control and indeed cruelty that @MsDogLady has articulated so well has conditioned and cowered you. So when he offers you a crumb of kindness or indeed normal behaviour you think it isn’t too bad. Then the cycle restarts again.

You must break free, take the job and the flat. Once you start mixing with others, colleagues, family and friends you will see how disturbing this really is.

Valeriane · 09/11/2021 09:43

Holy shit @MsDogLady :-(

OP I think you have rejected the job given that you haven't jumped back in here for us to keep you strong.

But we are here for you, and if this job hasnt worked out, another will. Please stay in touch.

ScaredOfDinosaurs · 09/11/2021 09:51

I felt so sad reading the summary and I hope you didn't refuse the job. But I fully understand why you might have done.

I hope that you will get out, if not this time then next time.

Valeriane · 09/11/2021 10:07

This is massive deja vu. In August of last year you were accepted onto a teaching course after a lifetime of wanting to be a primary teacher. Unfortunately, this is what happened back then:
*He found out about the course.

I'd changed my password on my phone but he managed to guess it, I think it made him suspicious that I'd changed it. I'd been so careful about not leaving it lying around but my sister called to drop something off and I chatted to her on the doorstep for a bit. When I came back he'd seen a message with a link to download the official Uni app, saying something like "now you're enrolled".

I couldn't think of anything to say but the truth, so I told him. To be fair, he wasn't angry. He was annoyed at first but I was in tears, I told him that he knows how unhappy I've been at work and that I need to change something and that I don't know how I can carry on feeling like this. I told him everything about the course and work.

He said he would support me if I wanted to do the course, but that he didn't think I should do it. He reminded me of the things I've tried, and failed at, in the past. He said he didn't think my mental health was in the right place to manage it. He said if I don't like being stressed at work then how will I cope being a teacher?

He's right. Everything he saidisright, to be fair. I have had multiple jobs in the past, I have tried things and failed. I spent a lot of time working in call centres which I hated. He said that I have a tendency to think thatthiswould solve my problem and it never does the problem is still there and this will be the same.

I can't leave him. I just can't do it. I don't have the strength. I don't have the confidence. He is right, everything he said is right. And he looked so hurt that I'd done all this behind his back, I feel so guilty.

To be fair, he did say he would start to support me better at work. He said he would make time to spend a day or two in the office each week so he brought less paperwork home. He said we could change our office (the one we're in at the minute isn't very nice). He said I can have an afternoon or two off during the week. He said we could get a cleaner for home so that I don't have to do it all. He said he doesn't want to give up hope that we won't have a baby and that he would look at fostering if that's what I want.

It will have to be enough. I think I'm just going to have to accept that my life is what it is, not everyone gets to work in a job that they love, and I will just have to find a way to deal with it. I need to change my attitude so I'm not always thinking that the grass is greener on the other side.

I'm sorry to let everyone down, you've all been so kind and supportive to me. Thank you so much for all your comments and your help and advice.*

This time around, did you REALLY "stupidly" leave your email open? It sounds an unlikely thing to do.

I think he is much worse than you think and has access to your email.

BlusteringBoobies · 09/11/2021 10:09

Please OP read and read again @MsDogLady 's post as a reminder.

I too remember you and to add to this torturous list, he insists you get up when he gets up. He will often wake at 4.30am and insist you get up with him and sit at the dining room while he works or work yourself, regardless of what time he let you go to bed

I know you have a habit of name changing and opening a new thread with the latest form of abuse but please try and look at the whole picture of how awful your life is with him.

Don't disappear, keep reading and revisiting as much as you need to.

TokyoSushi · 09/11/2021 10:28

This all sounds really familiar to me too, it's a terrible situation. I think the OP likely needs some real-life help but anything that we can do to encourage and support hopefully helps a little bit too.

Triffid1 · 09/11/2021 10:33

OP - I think I saw one of your threads recently but had not connected you with the OP on the teacher training course and the H who made her walk for miles and miles. I went back to that first thread often over a period of months because your story touched me so much and I was so concerned for you.

Please, take this job. speak to your family. And get away as fast as you can. He is a horrible horrible man and I worry that the more you come to realise it, the more he will try to restrict you.

grapewine · 09/11/2021 11:01

msdoglady post has floored. I hope you get out, OP. What a horrific way to live. I'm sorry.

HarrisonStickle · 09/11/2021 13:22

He said he would support me if I wanted to do the course, but that he didn't think I should do it. He reminded me of the things I've tried, and failed at, in the past. He said he didn't think my mental health was in the right place to manage it. He said if I don't like being stressed at work then how will I cope being a teacher?

This sounds exactly like my ex husband.

I would want to do something, and he would tell me how much he supported me. Then, over time he'd drip drip drip with comments about me never finishing anything in the past until eventually I decided to not do whatever it was. Which of course only added to the list of things I'd never done.

He used to reaffirm all the time that my mental health was poor, so poor I couldn't do anything. Eventually I went to my doctor who sent me to MH services. I then had therapy on the NHS.

And it's that that finally gave me the mental strength to leave him. Not when it was happening. About 18 months after it had finished, enough of it had filtered through.

His telling me I was mentally unwell had backfired!

God, it was hard. I left 10 years ago and I'm still partly convinced it was me that was the problem.

However, my stress levels plummeted when it was over. It was wonderful to do what I liked. And, guess what, I've completed so many things that are helping my career! I'm living a totally different life.

And you will, too, OP. Flowers

SecretJob · 09/11/2021 13:46

@CheesyWeez

This was me years ago OP. I had secretly rented a small studio flat and I could just leave and go there when the moment was right (when I finally snapped.) Over 3 weeks I rented it, furnished it with second hand stuff and took food over knowing I would finally, one day, go there.

In the event my DH knew we were unhappy, wasn't surprised and offered to help me move my stuff to the new place, so it turned out okay. But I needed to prepare things and leave in a way that would work even if he hadn't been unexpectedly decent about it.

A job isn't ONLY about the money, it is about self-respect, self-worth and enjoying your life. Being proud of the thing you produce at work. Or maybe having a laugh with your colleagues, (which possibly your DH doesn't want you to do.)

I think OP (like me) you know that inevitably, one day, you are going to leave. So put things I place so that can happen. Your plan is nearly ready. Do the next step. In the end money is not as important as our sense of being in charge of our own lives.

Take the job and get away.

I think I’m really scared of the gap, almost. What to do between now and being able to move into the new place and start my new job. I wish I could make things more certain, I wanted the checks to come back okay for the job (they told me not to resign from a current job before they do) and I wanted to do similar as you, I wanted to have the keys for the new place and be able to get some things like bedding and my precious items and food there first before telling him, so once it was done I could just disappear there and feel like I had a safe space to go to, almost hide in, that he would have no idea where I was and not be able to find me and I could try and process things. I would go right now if I had that.

But I don’t have anywhere to go, I do have a small bit of savings but if I went to a hotel it would eat into that quickly, even a cheap one and I need to be able to get a deposit, months rent, petrol and living costs for potentially a month/six weeks out of it.

My Dad passed away a few years ago sadly and my Mum doesnt really think I’m doing the right thing by wanting to leave. I don’t have any friends. I have two siblings but they couldn’t accommodate me. I know it’s hard to imagine but I’ve let him make my world so small.

Sorry it’s taken me a while to get back to the thread, I’m really paranoid about him finding anything or doing anything to cause suspicion. He didn’t ask me about the job but I have thought of an excuse to buy me time if he asks for proof.

So all that to say, I’m not sure what to do immediately? Keep waiting for the place I have? I spoke to them today and they said 26th for the keys but it shouldn’t be delayed again. I’ve started looking for something else again as well to see if I can get anything sooner.

I haven’t turned the job down and I’m not going to. Thank you so much for all your support and helping me to keep strong.

OP posts:
Sidehustle99 · 09/11/2021 13:51

Your world will grow again. Could you get a storage container and move your precious things and filter out some pots and pans etc before you get the keys? Do you have a trusted friend with a garage you could put some things? If your siblings can have you stay could they store some photos or other small items for you in the meantime. What your mother thinks is ok is irrelevant, she isn't living with him and can't properly understand what you are going through. Please take copies of important documents and keep them somewhere safe. You are entitled to half of what is in the house and he can't stop you taking what is rightfully yours. Good luck OP xxx

Peach2021 · 09/11/2021 13:57

Oh @SecretJob could you go to a Women's Refuge for the 17 days you have until you can get into your new place? They are completely secret, he won't find you there and you will be able to breathe, and sleep and start to find your new place in the world...

I am so proud of you that you haven't turned the job down, you are doing so well xx

grapewine · 09/11/2021 14:03

I'm so glad to read that you're taking the job. You can do this. You can.

RandomMess · 09/11/2021 14:03

Can you see if you can get a cheap Air B&B room for a few weeks?

timeisnotaline · 09/11/2021 14:03

I’m so glad you haven’t turned the job down!!!
Agree can you get a storage place, or ask an acquaintance - you might be surprised how willing people you only know a little are to help- or one of your siblings if they can keep some things in the shed/house for you for a couple of weeks (if you can trust your siblings, I know you said you can’t stay there but using some shed space is different).

Is the car yours? Can you secretly fill the boot? Can you take a few days ‘leave’ from him and pretend you are visiting your mum on move in time to give you some breathing space? As long as you’ve left the house before he finds out, it’s not critical if she tells him.

Sidehustle99 · 09/11/2021 14:08

Better still can you send him to a trade show/conference to get him out of the house for a couple of days?

CaveMum · 09/11/2021 14:09

@SecretJob have a read up on Coercive Control, you are so deep into it that you can’t see this for what it is - abuse.

www.laurarichards.co.uk/coercive-control/

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 09/11/2021 14:10

I remember you.
Bloody well done on the job amd mew place Flowers

Do take that job and get out and into that flat. Even if you have to listen to him chunter on in the interim focus on the light at the end of tunnel. Or could you look at spare room.co.uk and see of you could do a short term let.

In terms of storage a lot of storage places let you rent a lockup for something very cheap like £1 or £10 for the first month. This might be worth exploring.

Yayaga · 09/11/2021 14:25

Have you considered going into a houseshare? Hear me out. Houseshares arent just for 20 somethings. You could share a house with one or two other women of a similar age. Over the many houseshares I've done, I've come away with some incredible lifelong friends. You might also find it less lonely as a starting off point for life alone. You could look on gumtree for more mature houseshares. Even if you dont want to socialise, it can be nice getting into bed and hearing someone downstairs doing the washing up etc.

If that was you on the teacher training course, have you confided in your sister now? On your other thread you said your sister was very supportive of your teacher training plans but didnt know the extent of your home life. Since then have you shared more with her? Flowers