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Partner has no respect for my sexual boundaries

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angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 08:01

I'm so angry and upset. NC for this but regular poster.

I'm sorry this is quite long and some graphic descriptions of sexual nature so please don't read on if this isn't for you.

Partner and I have 7 month baby, things have been v stressful since baby was born, no time for each other etc. We've been working on it.

We very rarely have sex, it's just impossible to find the time or energy, both always exhausted. I'd say we have sex once every 2-3 weeks since baby's birth, it used to be every other day or at least 4 times a week so I understand his frustration. I also feel differently now, hate my body how it's changed so much (used to be slim and toned now have larger tummy and thighs), and also I just don't have much libido anymore.

Anyway last night we were kissing in bed etc and I said I wanted to try and have sex. I was very clear it had to be with a condom or nothing (I'm not on any birth control at the moment and definitely don't want another baby yet), and I also said I need you to be gentle and careful. He agreed. He then proceeded to be quite rough with his fingers, I had to remind him twice please be gentle that hurts. Then he attempted to penetrate me without the condom on, I said what are you doing, he said I wanted to "feel you" - I said again, no we need to take this seriously as I don't want to end up pregnant again. He seemed to accept that but the rest of the foreplay seemed half hearted so I felt he wasn't interested and was impatient to get to the "main event". He kept pushing to penetrate me (more with his body language than anything). I felt under pressure. He also had his hand on my throat at one point - I removed it but didn't say anything to him. After some foreplay I said ok we can do it now - he then entered me quite aggressively from behind without a condom (I didn't realise at this point he didn't have one on). I was so taken aback by how rough it was, I didn't know what to say or do, it hurt so much. He was being very aggressive, I tried to get up on my knees to stop the pain but I couldn't. I have no idea why I didn't just say stop, but I was in shock with it. Then he said he was going to ejaculate on my bum - I suddenly realised there was no condom. I started to cry and pull away from him then I just left the bed sat in the bathroom and cried.

Afterwards I said how hurt and angry I was that he has no respect for my boundaries. He claimed it was "hard to remember" to use a condom because we never used to before the baby. I think this is a ridiculous excuse, I said several times please use one. With regard to being rough with me, he said "I thought you wanted rough sex" (not sure how, I'd said several times during foreplay, please be gentle).

This morning he's making me feel like I've done something wrong. I said technically he had raped me by penetrating me against my consent without a condom - he got annoyed when I used that word and said "fine we aren't having sex ever again if you're going accuse me of that - from now on this is a sexless relationship and I'll stay just for the baby".

I'm so confused about the whole thing. Did he rape me? Should I have spoken up sooner and said stop when it hurt? I just can't make sense of any of it and I don't want him anywhere near me anymore. Sad

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Tillysfad · 06/11/2021 09:40

I wouldn't stay with this person. That is awful.

Workinghardeveryday · 06/11/2021 09:40

Okay I will no doubt be grilled for this but, I thought rape was having sex with someone with out their consent? Op gave her consent to have sex. I think the man is a selfish knob to treat her like a piece of meat with no regard for her feelings at all, he sounds horrible.

I just think saying it was actual rape when op consented then didn’t say stop or say it hurt etc, how is that rape?

I am confused how everyone is saying it is so I must be missing something? She said yes, he did it, she didn’t say stop. How could he know it was hurting if she didn’t say? He was a selfish twat to not use a condom and be rough, but that’s not actual rape though is it?

Op, I am so sorry you are feeling this way and my post is in no way disregarding your feelings at all, just I don’t understand how it is rape. No doubt it will be explained to me very sharply very soon.

I hope you feel better soon and get the support you need xx

Ansjovis · 06/11/2021 09:41

@angryandscared1

Also the hand on the throat thing, he's down this a few times in the past over the years, I've said before I hate that please don't. He said he gets "carried away in the moment". Confused
That's just straight up BS "carried away in the moment". Do you also end up doing stuff sexually that he's repeatedly told you he hates? Being a man does not give him a free pass to repeatedly get "carried away".
PinkFizz1 · 06/11/2021 09:41

Wait, he’s in the police?! He has a DUTY to protect the public?!
OP please, please reconsider reporting him.

Dashel · 06/11/2021 09:42

This is a man who is supposed to love you and this is how he treats you?

I would class it as rape and I agree he has treated you like a piece of meat and not someone he loves and respects. I wouldn’t want him coming anywhere near me ever again and for me the trust would be gone completely.

I would be speaking to the police and I would mention that he put his hands on your throat. I wouldn’t tell him I was doing that, otherwise he will try and talk you out of it and then he will accuse you of threatening him no doubt. I would be asking him to leave and looking to start a new life .

Walkaround · 06/11/2021 09:43

@Workinghardeveryday

Okay I will no doubt be grilled for this but, I thought rape was having sex with someone with out their consent? Op gave her consent to have sex. I think the man is a selfish knob to treat her like a piece of meat with no regard for her feelings at all, he sounds horrible.

I just think saying it was actual rape when op consented then didn’t say stop or say it hurt etc, how is that rape?

I am confused how everyone is saying it is so I must be missing something? She said yes, he did it, she didn’t say stop. How could he know it was hurting if she didn’t say? He was a selfish twat to not use a condom and be rough, but that’s not actual rape though is it?

Op, I am so sorry you are feeling this way and my post is in no way disregarding your feelings at all, just I don’t understand how it is rape. No doubt it will be explained to me very sharply very soon.

I hope you feel better soon and get the support you need xx

@Workinghardeveryday - the OP did not consent to penetration without a condom. That is a clear cut example of rape.
Whatamuddleduck · 06/11/2021 09:43

OP there is help out there. There are helplines you can call to talk through what he did. They can be confidential and no one will make you do or report anything you don’t want to.

Here is an NHS link to support. Rape Crisis are great, equally your local SARC (sexual assault referral centre) will likely have people you can talk to. www.nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-health/help-after-rape-and-sexual-assault/

What he did to you was very wrong. He may not want to recognise that but that is his problem not yours. You spoke the truth when you told him he raped you. Him being angry about those words doesn’t make it any less true. Him being angry does not detract from your being upset and angry that he raped you. You are in the right, not him.

OP if you can please reach out to one of the helplines, they are absolutely there for you and people who have had similar done to them x

BackBackBack · 06/11/2021 09:43

@Workinghardeveryday

Okay I will no doubt be grilled for this but, I thought rape was having sex with someone with out their consent? Op gave her consent to have sex. I think the man is a selfish knob to treat her like a piece of meat with no regard for her feelings at all, he sounds horrible.

I just think saying it was actual rape when op consented then didn’t say stop or say it hurt etc, how is that rape?

I am confused how everyone is saying it is so I must be missing something? She said yes, he did it, she didn’t say stop. How could he know it was hurting if she didn’t say? He was a selfish twat to not use a condom and be rough, but that’s not actual rape though is it?

Op, I am so sorry you are feeling this way and my post is in no way disregarding your feelings at all, just I don’t understand how it is rape. No doubt it will be explained to me very sharply very soon.

I hope you feel better soon and get the support you need xx

She said she was happy to have sex but only with a condom. He penetrated her without a condom and when she realised, she told him to stop - he didn't. OP told him that she wanted to have sex but that he needed to be gentle. He was rough with her - she told him to stop being rough and he ignored her.

Consent isn't static. Someone who consents has the right to change their mind and say stop/no/don't. And as soon as they do, they are no longer consenting.

DDUW · 06/11/2021 09:43

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PinkFizz1 · 06/11/2021 09:43

@Workinghardeveryday

Okay I will no doubt be grilled for this but, I thought rape was having sex with someone with out their consent? Op gave her consent to have sex. I think the man is a selfish knob to treat her like a piece of meat with no regard for her feelings at all, he sounds horrible.

I just think saying it was actual rape when op consented then didn’t say stop or say it hurt etc, how is that rape?

I am confused how everyone is saying it is so I must be missing something? She said yes, he did it, she didn’t say stop. How could he know it was hurting if she didn’t say? He was a selfish twat to not use a condom and be rough, but that’s not actual rape though is it?

Op, I am so sorry you are feeling this way and my post is in no way disregarding your feelings at all, just I don’t understand how it is rape. No doubt it will be explained to me very sharply very soon.

I hope you feel better soon and get the support you need xx

OP consented to gentle sex WITH a condom. What happened was neither. He deliberately didn’t use protection and that in itself is classed as rape.

Look up stealthing. That covers when the man removes the condom but in OPs case, he didn’t even put one on in the first place.

Fizzbangwallop · 06/11/2021 09:44

@angryandscared1 this man isn’t ‘a good dad’. Good fathers don’t rape or abuse the mother of their child. I’m particularly concerned that he put his hand on your throat because it’s such a huge red flag.

Don’t be scared to get medical help if you need it or report this assault to the police. They will want to help you and keep you safe.

I’m so sorry this has happened to you Flowers

beastlyslumber · 06/11/2021 09:44

It makes him angry to hear the word rape because he knows it’s true he raped you and wants to intimidate you into shutting up. Of all people, he knows as part of his job that what he did to you was rape. He shouldn’t be in the police - if he is willing to commit such a crime himself, he can never be trusted by any woman who has been raped and needs to report the crime to the police.

This. I agree with pp that a police report may be needed because down the line he is going to be looking to discredit you and destroy your reputation. He may or may not lose his job - but that's not your problem. Your problem is how you'll keep yourself and your baby safe.

He's not a good dad. He is undermining you and attacking your self-confidence. I think you might well find that once you are safe, your ability to cope with the baby and life in general will be much better. Do you have family/friends nearby? Let them help you.

Ansjovis · 06/11/2021 09:44

@Workinghardeveryday it's called stealthing, please do google it. It is absolutely rape when this happens.

category12 · 06/11/2021 09:45

@workinghardeveryday OP agreed to sex with a condom. She did not agree to sex without a condom. It's sometimes known as stealthing and is a crime in the UK.

HTH.

beastlyslumber · 06/11/2021 09:46

He was a selfish twat to not use a condom and be rough, but that’s not actual rape though is it?

Yes @Workinghardeveryday. It literally is rape. It is actual rape. In law, and in reality.

angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 09:48

Thank you all for the helplines. I am going to contact rape crisis to talk it over. I don't know if I can report him though. I don't want to ruin his life. I just want him to be sorry Sad

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SarahBellam · 06/11/2021 09:48

He’s in the police? Oh love, he knows EXACTLY what he’s done. He knows he’s raped you and he’s gaslighting you now to try to make you think you’re wrong. I’m so sorry.

Beamur · 06/11/2021 09:48

OP, what a horrible shock for you. Unfortunately this man has shown his colours. He's angry with you and has become abusive, this is not your fault. But I don't think you are safe around him anymore.
In your shoes I would be making plans to leave. This won't get better.

ChargingBuck · 06/11/2021 09:48

OP, I'm glad you're angry, & sorry you are scared.
You have every right to be.
Your partner raped you.

He knows this.
He knows you frequently asked him to be gentle. He was deliberately rough with his hands.
You frequently insisted on a condom. He tricked you, & hurt you again, deliberately.

You are right, his excuse about it being "hard to remember" a condom is ridiculous.
His "rough sex defence" is outrageous. He knew damn well you needed gentleness. He knew he hurt you.
When you refused to accept that bullshit, he compounded it by getting angry at you. How DARE he?

Please note that he did not deny your statement that this was rape.
Instead of contrition, remorse, apology, & a promise to never treat you like this again - he chose to make that punishing remark about never having sex again (like you'd want to now anyway!) & staying just for the baby.
He couldn't make it more clear that he has no shame about what he has done to you.

And this - "I think it's just the frustration of not having sex as much anymore" is just sinister.

Does he actually think this is some kind of mitigation?
So what are you meant to do with that unsavoury piece of information? - rely on him to never to have sex with you again, but live in fear that for THIS man, lack of sex constitutes the right to rape you?

Hold on to your anger OP.
Your rapist thinks he is going to graciously stay in the relationship "for the baby" ... it's almost as if he doesn't realise that you get a say in that, isn't it?
What do you want to happen next?
Do you want him to leave?
What are your housing arrangements, & are you working currently?

I don't know what specific help you need, but I do know that you don't need to spend another night with this man under your roof if you don't want to. Here's a handhold, while you process what has happened - please keep posting Flowers

Dashel · 06/11/2021 09:48

It’s not your fault if he looses his job, he broke the law and should take the consequences. He isn’t someone that should be in the police force if he rapes his DP, anymore than if he was starting fights or robbing banks.

Report him to a different police force, but he isn’t a good man and if he is repeatedly touching your throat that is so worrying and your priority has to be keeping yourself and your dc safe and that’s not with him.

DameFanny · 06/11/2021 09:50

He raped you. Please don't worry about costing him his job - rapists should not be in the police, having power over other vulnerable people.

I'm so sorry this has happened to you Flowers

RestingStitchFace · 06/11/2021 09:50

Oh my God, OP. There are so many red flags here I don't know where to be begin.
This is not acceptable behaviour AT ALL. You gave clear boundaries and he ignored them.

  1. Re: was it rape? Sex was conditional on using a condom. You did not give consent for sex without a condom. He had sex with you without your consent. Draw your own conclusions

  2. Any man who cannot appreciate that a woman a few weeks out of childbirth wants gentle sex and THEN refuses to listen to repeated pleas to be more gentle is, frankly, a brute.

  3. Any man who, when this is pointed out to him, has no contrition or shame is despicable.

There are no grey areas of interpretation here. He is 100% in the wrong.

I'm so sorry, OP. This is a horrible thing to have happened. But please be careful - this person does not respect you or care about your well-being.

whichiswitch · 06/11/2021 09:50

I'm so sorry this happened to you. It definitely was rape. A good father treats the mother of his child with respect. He's not a good father.

I haven't RTFT so not sure if this has already been posted but here's a link to womens aid. Even if you decide not to report to the police womens aid will provide help and support. They have a really helpful live chat which might be good for you to go through your options.

www.womensaid.org.uk/information-support/

category12 · 06/11/2021 09:50

He gets off on non-consensually choking/simulating choking you during sex.
He ignores your sexual boundaries and does what he wants to you, in full knowledge that it's not what you want or enjoy.

In the light of what happened to Sarah Everard, OP, you really need to reconsider whether he should have that job in the police.

BackBackBack · 06/11/2021 09:51

He's a copper?

Oh lovey, he knows EXACTLY what he's done. Get him out.

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