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Partner has no respect for my sexual boundaries

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angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 08:01

I'm so angry and upset. NC for this but regular poster.

I'm sorry this is quite long and some graphic descriptions of sexual nature so please don't read on if this isn't for you.

Partner and I have 7 month baby, things have been v stressful since baby was born, no time for each other etc. We've been working on it.

We very rarely have sex, it's just impossible to find the time or energy, both always exhausted. I'd say we have sex once every 2-3 weeks since baby's birth, it used to be every other day or at least 4 times a week so I understand his frustration. I also feel differently now, hate my body how it's changed so much (used to be slim and toned now have larger tummy and thighs), and also I just don't have much libido anymore.

Anyway last night we were kissing in bed etc and I said I wanted to try and have sex. I was very clear it had to be with a condom or nothing (I'm not on any birth control at the moment and definitely don't want another baby yet), and I also said I need you to be gentle and careful. He agreed. He then proceeded to be quite rough with his fingers, I had to remind him twice please be gentle that hurts. Then he attempted to penetrate me without the condom on, I said what are you doing, he said I wanted to "feel you" - I said again, no we need to take this seriously as I don't want to end up pregnant again. He seemed to accept that but the rest of the foreplay seemed half hearted so I felt he wasn't interested and was impatient to get to the "main event". He kept pushing to penetrate me (more with his body language than anything). I felt under pressure. He also had his hand on my throat at one point - I removed it but didn't say anything to him. After some foreplay I said ok we can do it now - he then entered me quite aggressively from behind without a condom (I didn't realise at this point he didn't have one on). I was so taken aback by how rough it was, I didn't know what to say or do, it hurt so much. He was being very aggressive, I tried to get up on my knees to stop the pain but I couldn't. I have no idea why I didn't just say stop, but I was in shock with it. Then he said he was going to ejaculate on my bum - I suddenly realised there was no condom. I started to cry and pull away from him then I just left the bed sat in the bathroom and cried.

Afterwards I said how hurt and angry I was that he has no respect for my boundaries. He claimed it was "hard to remember" to use a condom because we never used to before the baby. I think this is a ridiculous excuse, I said several times please use one. With regard to being rough with me, he said "I thought you wanted rough sex" (not sure how, I'd said several times during foreplay, please be gentle).

This morning he's making me feel like I've done something wrong. I said technically he had raped me by penetrating me against my consent without a condom - he got annoyed when I used that word and said "fine we aren't having sex ever again if you're going accuse me of that - from now on this is a sexless relationship and I'll stay just for the baby".

I'm so confused about the whole thing. Did he rape me? Should I have spoken up sooner and said stop when it hurt? I just can't make sense of any of it and I don't want him anywhere near me anymore. Sad

OP posts:
anon12345678901 · 06/11/2021 09:21

[quote Huffler]@angryandscared1 im sorry to hear u went through this. I was like this with my child to my ex it takes a long while for hormones to adjust. To be honest i think alot of the pain for me was more me mentally panicking and anxiety but i understand things feel different. I felt as though i no longer loved my partener and my love for my child had overgrown his. We are now separated due to other issues but this is something u both need to talk about. Idk if id call it rape but i can see how he got carried away. Have u tried oral with him? U dont have to receive just a blow or handjob every noe and then. U also both need to feel 100% comfortable with it. Why dont u try maybe playing with yourself using a toy or something and he can watch and show him how gentle u want it to be. Definitely would not be taking any of this rough sex i understand it frightened you its not on and he should apologize and if use can work and talk through it together. I hope things improve for u it does get better i promise ur libdo does come back. For now maybe use need to focus on building the romantic side of ur relationship... date nights.. breakfast in bed from partener etc. Its up to u really if u stay or go im only giving ideas that might work for me but if u chose to leave and dont feel comfortable anymore i completly understand that and would also say u r within ur rights. You said no condom multiple times and he ignored you. Complete disrespect there.[/quote]
WTF is wrong with you?! You are a fucking idiot. OP does not need to give him hand or blow jobs to keep him happy, he's got his own hand he could use.
OP I would leave, you focus on yourself and your baby, and get as far away from him as possible. It's a shitty way to behave, completely unacceptable and in no way your fault.

BluebellTimeInKent · 06/11/2021 09:21

Please report this to the police, even if you don't plan to support a prosecution. They are unlikely to be able to prosecute, but if and when you leave him, he will threaten to apply for a residence order of the baby. When you raise this, he will say you are inventing it out of spite and / or are mentally ill. A contemporaneous report (even if it didn't get within shouting distance of a criminal court) can be really important.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 06/11/2021 09:22

He used your body for his gratification, he did not care that he was hurting you and he ignored your terms.

He raped you.

If he can't see that then he must think that he has the right to do whatever he likes to you regardless how you feel.

He literally demonstrated that he does not accept your right to say no.

I don't think there's any coming back from that.

theworldsastage · 06/11/2021 09:22

I'm so sorry this happened to you, and I can't imagine how you feel.

You consented to sex with a condom. You did not consent to sex without a condom. You made your boundaries clear.

He isn't even sorry.

I know the thought of being on your own is scary, but do you want this man in your baby's life and your life for next couple of decades at least, calling the shots? If you go to the police and report this, you're going to be in a much stronger position when separating.

Being completely cold, having evidence your partner raped you will get you access to legal aid, should you need it.

I don't see a way back from this. Yes, I understand wanting to stay with him so your baby has a father. But - think about the kind of father you'd be keeping for your baby.

He is not a good man. And it's completely 100% not your fault for not realising sooner. The worst kind of people are the ones who manage to keep their true colours hidden from us.

You deserve so much more than this. Your baby deserves more than this.

Lalliella · 06/11/2021 09:24

I’m so sorry this happened to you OP. It’s rape, and he deliberately hurt you as a punishment for not giving him enough sex. He is a horrible, abusive piece of shit. I can’t believe he won’t even apologise, probably so he won’t have to admit what he did was so terribly wrong. Please get in touch with someone in real life who can help you, there are good suggestions on this thread. Please find the strength to boot him out.

ANameChangeAgain · 06/11/2021 09:26

I'm so sorry he has put you though this. I think you need to start making plans to go your separate ways after this. You certainly can't let him into your bed again.

ShepherdMoons · 06/11/2021 09:26

Something similar happened to me with ex-dh. I stayed and things got much worse.

I had a c-section and was in a lot of pain afterwards. Three weeks afterwards he wanted rough sex from behind. There's no respect with these sorts of men.

TheWeeDonkey · 06/11/2021 09:28

@Huffler your post is really disturbing, you seem to be suffering a massive cognitive dissonance between what is a normal health relationship and abuse.

Have you had any therapy to come to terms with the abuse you have experienced? I know its scary to face these things, but I think it will be helpful to you to recognise your own lack of boundaries.

Lalliella · 06/11/2021 09:29

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AutumnTreesBloom · 06/11/2021 09:30

I'm so sorry this happened. Please don't be blaming yourself thinking you should have spoke up 'sooner'. You did. You asked him to use a condom and be gentle and he did neither of those things.
Legally it is classed as a crime to not wear a condom when asked or to remove it during sex without you knowing.
What he's done isn't ok at all. Please don't be feeling bad about yourself thinking that you should have done something different. It's HIM who should have done something different.

VodselForDinner · 06/11/2021 09:32

Jesus Christ, @Huffler, I don’t know what’s gone on in your life that your response to an upset woman who has been sexually assaulted is “give him more blow jobs”, but that’s very fucked up.

angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 09:33

I'm so overwhelmed by all the replies but I promise I'm still here reading them. I didn't get much sleep last night so just dozing in between reading and crying. Baby is sleeping thankfully as I need some headspace at the moment. I can't process it all to be honest. I can see that most of you class this as rape. That word made him so angry though I'm scared to say it again out loud to him. It's as though I'm in the wrong for saying it. I'm terrified to be alone with the baby as I don't know how I'd manage (he is a good dad despite all this and he helps out with the baby etc). I'm scared I wouldn't cope alone. Also he is in the police. I think reporting him would cost him his job. I don't want to do that to him. I am so torn and just feel violated and confused.

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DreamingofTimbuktu · 06/11/2021 09:33

Yes it’s rape. Please leave him.

Amy123456789 · 06/11/2021 09:34

I am so sorry.
He did rape you. Take your time to process what happened and how you feel. Talk it over with professionals who won't push you to prosecute if that is not what you want.
rapecrisis.org.uk/get-help/looking-for-information/rape-crisis-services/counselling-therapies/
Again, i'm so sorry. I hope you get the help you need lovely xx

Spudina · 06/11/2021 09:34

I’m so sorry OP. As PP have said this is rape. Can you contact rape crisis? They can help you. Good men don’t act this way.

Crikeyalmighty · 06/11/2021 09:35

I know someone who got prison for something similar OP, his wife was a solicitor who dumped him and reported him

angryandscared1 · 06/11/2021 09:36

Also the hand on the throat thing, he's down this a few times in the past over the years, I've said before I hate that please don't. He said he gets "carried away in the moment". Confused

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Walkaround · 06/11/2021 09:38

@angryandscared1

I'm so overwhelmed by all the replies but I promise I'm still here reading them. I didn't get much sleep last night so just dozing in between reading and crying. Baby is sleeping thankfully as I need some headspace at the moment. I can't process it all to be honest. I can see that most of you class this as rape. That word made him so angry though I'm scared to say it again out loud to him. It's as though I'm in the wrong for saying it. I'm terrified to be alone with the baby as I don't know how I'd manage (he is a good dad despite all this and he helps out with the baby etc). I'm scared I wouldn't cope alone. Also he is in the police. I think reporting him would cost him his job. I don't want to do that to him. I am so torn and just feel violated and confused.
It makes him angry to hear the word rape because he knows it’s true he raped you and wants to intimidate you into shutting up. Of all people, he knows as part of his job that what he did to you was rape. He shouldn’t be in the police - if he is willing to commit such a crime himself, he can never be trusted by any woman who has been raped and needs to report the crime to the police.
MintyGreenDream · 06/11/2021 09:38

Out of all the similar threads I've read on here this one is the most cut and dry.He raped you,no doubt about it.

ANameChangeAgain · 06/11/2021 09:38

I'm scared to say it again out loud to him. It's as though I'm in the wrong for saying it. ...... Also he is in the police.
This makes what he did even worse.
A good father doesn't rape his child's mother.

ShepherdMoons · 06/11/2021 09:39

Things will get much worse if you stay, this is abuse.

VodselForDinner · 06/11/2021 09:39

Also he is in the police. I think reporting him would cost him his job

Please consider reporting him. So many recent horrific stories of murder and assault of women at the hands of policemen who, it turns out, were serial abusers and rapists but never reported.

He’s dangerous to you, your baby, and the women he encounters through his work.

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Quartz2208 · 06/11/2021 09:39

The fact that he is a policeman is even more awful as he should be very aware of the rules regarding stealthing (sex without a condom) and consent - that what you consented too and what he did are miles apart. The fact that he caused you that much pain though and claims it is hard to remember

There is no going back from this.