Team Ioan Gruffudd or Alice Evans?

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I've been following the story around the breakup of Ioan and Alice. I haven't been a great fan of Alice in the past, but I do feel for her and her children right now. Who else thinks that Ioan has behaved atrociously to his family? According to his wife, he has been having an affair for a long while, and making her feel as though she was in the wrong for months.

But again they have been split a year already, other than Alice’s assertion the mere fact he’s started a new relationship a year after they split with soneone he knew is proof he was cheating, she literally has nothing else.

"she literally has nothing else"

What nothing else she's told you @Bluntness100 ?

Wether this correct or not the presumption is hilarious.

She should get a job. Would keep her mind occupied, and it's not like childcare is an issue with a nanny.

Giving someone an ultimatum to marry you is fatal

@sunglassesonthetable

But again they have been split a year already, other than Alice’s assertion the mere fact he’s started a new relationship a year after they split with soneone he knew is proof he was cheating, she literally has nothing else.

"she literally has nothing else"

What nothing else she's told you @Bluntness100 ?

Wether this correct or not the presumption is hilarious.

Why? Don’t you think if she had evidence she’d have posted it all over social media? She’s posted everything else, Inc accusations thay change regularly, so I think saying she’s got nothing else is a fairly safe bet.

@Loudestcat14

One thing that I can't quite grasp, perhaps because I'm not married myself, is her insistence that he is still her husband and that's why he shouldn't be in a new relationship. She's tweeted it again this weekend. He left the marriage 12 months ago and served divorce papers at the start of the year, so surely he's her husband only by a technicality now? Or is that how people still feel about their spouses after they walk out – that until the divorce is granted they are still very much married to them? I ask because I can't help but feel her insistence at clinging to the "he's my husband" narrative is doing her more harm than good.

Had this with DH's ex. Even though she was living with her boyfriend, she kept referring to herself as DH's wife after 2 years of being separated. Dragged her feet on divorce and would always tell me how many years they had been together and how well she knew him (during ranting phone calls - and no, I wasn't OW and met DH after her boyfriend moved into the family home). Just weird.

They haven't been in contact for nearly a year, and divorce papers have been served. One partner moving on in these circumstances isn't a huge surprise. I've no idea if he cheated, but this isn't doing her, or her children any good. I feel for her, but the public rage isn't the answer.

Don’t you just hate it when one poster takes over an entire thread pushing their own narrative and minimising everyone else’s opinion or statements until they create an echo chamber that they are in control of?

Ruins the thread.

Team Alice, because I know she will be feeling worse out of the 2, and my sympathies usually go to the dumped party unless they’re a twat.

But she is going about this in absolutely the wrong way. I’m not saying she should have to remain stoically silent and release a statement about ‘conscious uncoupling’ and similar bollocks. But a bit of quiet while she processed the news followed by one candid but concise statement would’ve been more effective than the endless ranting, newspaper interviews etc.

The thing is she’s beginning to look a little unhinged and that will play into his hands nicely.

As for Iaon, I get the impression he is a really nasty piece of work. There was no need to upload that photo, it only lends weight to the idea that they’ve been seeing each other a lot longer than a few months.

She’s posted everything else, Inc accusations thay change regularly, so I think saying she’s got nothing else is a fairly safe bet.

"safe bet" . = 😁 Pure speculation

If we're "betting/speculating " , apropos of nothing, I'd be putting money on the midlife script IG is following.

Leaves dreary domestic routine and partner at home to do the heavy family lifting whilst at work, living the single life, hundreds of miles way, for months on end. And oops gets together with someone half his age who is also working on set at the same time.

And if I was AE I'd be putting money on things starting before she knew and I'd expect him to be minimising the new affair and following the usual script. " oh it's only since we split etc etc we were just friends before " etc etc

Same old story. We've all seen it all over MN forever.

Why have they drawn all this attention to themselves. They're not exactly joliepitt territory. And now there is speculation about her age with somd websites giving 1967 and others 1971. People should just fly under the radar of you never know what's going to surface.

"Leaves dreary domestic routine and partner at home to do the heavy family lifting whilst at work, living the single life, hundreds of miles way, for months on end. And oops gets together with someone half his age who is also working on set at the same time. "

Heavy family lifting? Oh come on, she has nannies, cleaners and plenty of money to smooth her way. She's hardly a working single mum of two struggling to pay the electric meter and desperate to bag the end of day bargains from cost cutters is she?

There an lot of projecting on this thread.

Heavy family lifting? Oh come on, she has nannies, cleaners and plenty of money to smooth her way. She's hardly a working single mum of two struggling to pay the electric meter and desperate to bag the end of day bargains from cost cutters is she?

I'm not discussing what housework she does. She lives full time with her 2 children. IG is not even in the same country.

It's irrelevant if she has a nanny or a cleaner.

@sunglassesonthetable

Heavy family lifting? Oh come on, she has nannies, cleaners and plenty of money to smooth her way. She's hardly a working single mum of two struggling to pay the electric meter and desperate to bag the end of day bargains from cost cutters is she?

I'm not discussing what housework she does. She lives full time with her 2 children. IG is not even in the same country.

It's irrelevant if she has a nanny or a cleaner.

What are you talking about, she was posting the other day about how she’d refused to hand over the kids as per their custody agreement. Yes he might work out of the country but he doesn’t live there 😂

What are you talking about, she was posting the other day about how she’d refused to hand over the kids as per their custody agreement. Yes he might work out of the country but he doesn’t live there 😂

You're splitting hairs. He's been working abroad in the main for a long time in those children's lives. Of course he comes back and forth. 🙄That's what I'm talking about @Bluntness100

@sunglassesonthetable

She’s posted everything else, Inc accusations thay change regularly, so I think saying she’s got nothing else is a fairly safe bet.

"safe bet" . = 😁 Pure speculation

If we're "betting/speculating " , apropos of nothing, I'd be putting money on the midlife script IG is following.

Leaves dreary domestic routine and partner at home to do the heavy family lifting whilst at work, living the single life, hundreds of miles way, for months on end. And oops gets together with someone half his age who is also working on set at the same time.

And if I was AE I'd be putting money on things starting before she knew and I'd expect him to be minimising the new affair and following the usual script. " oh it's only since we split etc etc we were just friends before " etc etc

Same old story. We've all seen it all over MN forever.

It’s not a good idea to base your world view on what you read on social media. It’s not a true or a balanced version of the real world, even on MN.

AE made a claim of a 3 year affair. She has since had to back track because it has been demonstrated that this was impossible. Her current position is that he is still married and therefore a cheat even if they are separated. Or that the affair started later.

The whole story only references one example of known cheating. That’s AE cheating on her fiancé with IG.

Basically all we know is he went on a date (if that) after a year of formal separation. Everything else is speculation.

Your argument is that it is naive not to believe AE’s changing allegation of an affair. But it is equally naive to believe that if there was evidence of an affair, then the Daily Mail would have found it and put it out there. As it is there isn’t even evidence of more than one date together.

It’s not a good idea to base your world view on what you read on social media. It’s not a true or a balanced version of the real world, even on MN.

Totally agree @LemonTT

Which is why I've made no claims, this entire thread, to KNOWING anything.

My point was it 'seems' like the same, old tired scenario if we were talking of 'safe bets' as a PP was. Of course that is ridiculous in itself. I don't even know these people.

Most that is 'known' is from the Daily Fail and erratically distraught and emotional tweeting. So not very reliable anyway.

But thanks for the advice.

The only thing that can be deduced from all the 'he said, she said' - is that those two children are having to live through a very public, acrimonious divorce.

Why did his new relationship need to be 'announced'? Both parents should stop courting publicity and get off social media. It's a cess pit, and AE should try and seek support elsewhere. It's not a way to validate, vindicate or a means of having your ex-husband tried by the court of Instagram.

I honestly think most SM ends up doing more harm than good. I'm not including Mumsnet in that, though some of the more vicious threads in AIBU...

Team Won't someone think of the children here.

Shame on him for posting about his girlfriend on instagram from the other side of the world. Even the caption was petty, something about 'finally I am smiling again.' He could have just said he was happy in the moment without implicitly saying this woman was better than the last one/he was miserable before. Or even better, realised he's almost 50 not 15 and kept his love life off instagram completely.

Alice Evans needs a true friend to take away her twitter and hand her a journal and a pen instead. She's clearly distraught, but creating a public record of what a prick her childrens father is not in their best interest.

I don't see why he gets credit for being more 'dignified' about the break up. Of course he is- he had the ability to plan and prepare for it. He instigated it.

It doesn't sound like he's father of the year, always being abroad and not even returning when the borders were shutting in 2020. That would be incredibly hurtful to his children.

I imagine he'll stay in Australia where he gets to feel like a big celebrity as opposed to a D grade one. In fabulous weather with a woman 20 years younger than him. He'll be fine, I'm not feeling sorry for him.

I feel sorry for Alice who is clearly hurting, and for the children who aren't being centred in this mess.

I don't see why he gets credit for being more 'dignified' about the break up. Of course he is- he had the ability to plan and prepare for it. He instigated it

I’d agree with you in the immediate aftermath, but not a year later, I’m sorry.

i imagine he'll stay in Australia where he gets to feel like a big celebrity as opposed to a D grade one. In fabulous weather with a woman 20 years younger than him. He'll be fine, I'm not feeling sorry for him

You imagine wrong and you don’t need to imagine you can just maybe read some stuff about it. They are currently fighting over joint custody, so he’s clearly not staying in Australia.

Why do folks jump to these wild conclusions jist because he’s a bloke. I mean really? You think this man wants to abandon his children totally to live on the other side of the world so he can shag someone younger and feel like a “big celebrity”. Well according to Alice that’s not remotely th case. She’d agreed custody, then renegade and refused to hand the kids over and it’s now going to court.

*I’d agree with you in the immediate aftermath, but not a year later, I’m sorry.
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Hmmm, I think it's still "the immediate aftermath " from AE's pov.

Still married, still emotional, still shocked, still wrangling, not yet divorced, just found out about another woman in his life.

Nope I don't think this nice and tidy 'one year' criteria really sums it up tbh.

Immediate means happening without delay. A year in most peoples world is a delay, I understand it’s not for you though.

@Bluntness yeah know what immediate means.

But in the life of a 20 yr marriage break up - especially when the actual divorce isn't over, a year seems recent. Just like in bereavement.

[quote sunglassesonthetable]@Bluntness yeah know what immediate means.

But in the life of a 20 yr marriage break up - especially when the actual divorce isn't over, a year seems recent. Just like in bereavement.

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Completely agree with this!

What an ignorant cow she is.

Nasty

God that’s so abusive.😱