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Resent that mum never worked/had a job - causing rifts between us

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Waferbiscuit · 10/10/2021 10:19

My mother married right out of University and since then has been a SAHM/SAHW. She only ever held one job, over the summer, when she was 20 and and has never had a job since.

She has lived a very comfortable life - children at a young age, divorced but remarried quickly so no change in her financial circumstances, moderately successful husband and kids at home until they left when she was 48. Since then she has spent the last 40+ years travelling, pottering and quite frankly stretching out daily chores into the day. She is part of a weird generation of mc women who expected to be cared for and probably never expected to work.

By contrast I have worked FT since leaving University, now a single parent, still working and juggling everything.

The fact that mum has never worked means she's lived in a real bubble, and has very skewed views about public life and the world of work. This causes huge rifts between us and really affects our relationship.

  • She has very little concept of what work is like and the pressures of modern work so when I explain that I am stressed she thinks that it's my fault and I need to manage it.
  • She doesn't understand that people need to do work outside of 9-5
  • She has no real sense of what it's like to have someone instructing you/telling you what to do; she has literally been 'self guided' her entire life
  • She thinks it's easy to get a job and promotion so doesn't understand why they aren't forthcoming for me or my siblings.
  • She is deeply unproductive so thinks juggling means trying to do the dishes and laundry in the same morning and considers that 'busy-ness' to be on par with mine
  • She is very naive about money and assumes everyone is on a relatively good wage. She doesn't understand why I can't go part-time.
  • She dresses in organic frocks and proudly doesn't wear makeup or do her hair but her 'hippyness' is a privilege - she doesn't clock that other people actually have to look and dress professionally for work.
  • She doesn't help me in any way - financially or with DCs - because she's always too busy doing nothing at all, but she's 'very busy'.

I know I should be grateful that she's not working in a factory to scrape by, but her naiviety means there's an entire aspects of my life she doesn't understand and over the years it's caused real tensions. I partly resent that she doesn't get it and partly resent that she's had such an easy ride that she takes for granted or really considers her due.

Posting just to see if anyone else has the same problem and how they made peace with it.

OP posts:
junebirthdaygirl · 14/10/2021 13:26

My mother never worked outside the home after marriage but she sure worked at home raising a big family and constantly on the go. She loved her job as a PA before she married in the 50s and her skills were obvious throughout her life. She was a person who would have been amazing in a work place but that opportunity was not there for her and she was stuck at home from her early 20s
She said she always felt sorry for her working dds trying to keep careers while juggling child rearing etc but none of us wanted her life. Yes my df made the money but there is not one single bit of her life l would envy as she didn't have choices.
Do some people genuinely not get the difference in generations and just appreciate we are alive at this time where, as women, we are able to do more.
And yes l have always loved my job and if l had been forced to leave it at marriage even if well supported financially l would have missed a whole part of who l am and what my life has been about.

Lana07 · 16/10/2021 00:10

@junebirthdaygirl

My mother never worked outside the home after marriage but she sure worked at home raising a big family and constantly on the go. She loved her job as a PA before she married in the 50s and her skills were obvious throughout her life. She was a person who would have been amazing in a work place but that opportunity was not there for her and she was stuck at home from her early 20s She said she always felt sorry for her working dds trying to keep careers while juggling child rearing etc but none of us wanted her life. Yes my df made the money but there is not one single bit of her life l would envy as she didn't have choices. Do some people genuinely not get the difference in generations and just appreciate we are alive at this time where, as women, we are able to do more. And yes l have always loved my job and if l had been forced to leave it at marriage even if well supported financially l would have missed a whole part of who l am and what my life has been about.
Great!

That's exactly what I am on about!

Aren't you a teacher by any chance? Just trying to get your job :)

onlychildhamster · 16/10/2021 01:45

My MIL is also very hippy too. She is not privileged like your mum and raised 4 children on a low income. Theoretically she should 'get it', that DH and I have to work to survive and pay our mortgage but the difference is that she had a generous father who still gives her money even though she is nearly 60. He gave her money to buy her flat and later her house. Her mother gave her 30k to buy her London flat in 1989! So when we were saving to buy our flat, she kept telling me the prices will drop and I shouldn't stress. Well maybe the prices will drop but the fact is she managed to upgrade to her house cos her dad gave her money to buy the house when she desperately needed more space for the 3 children she had. Admittedly DH and I had help from her as we stayed with her for a few years but without our salaries, we wouldn't have been able to buy and definitely without increasing our salaries, we wouldn't be able to pay for stuff like childcare or a bigger flat now that we have a £1k mortgage. But MIL kinda looks down on us for being in non creative jobs and she doesn't get that living in London in 2021 as millenials is kinda miserable without a decent salary and that rents are not a few hundred pounds per month. She thinks that cos she raised 4 kids on 16k in London, we should be able to live good lives on the same kind of salary and we should aspire to have that kind of salary. It's not just her tbh, my DH's other sisters are kinda similar except for one sister, I think they just kinda try to get by with as little as they can and try to get by with benefits/as little as they can earn as possible. MIL doesn't really need benefits as she already owns a house bought at 1997 prices so that does lower overall costs

I do think older people don't understand how much more money younger people need to have a decent standard of living.

Snog · 16/10/2021 09:10

@onlychildhamster I'm sure if MIL bought you a house in London and continued to gift you cash on a regular basis then you too would be able to afford to have a more creative lifestyle/job!

It's annoying when people get overly stuck in the bubble of their own experience.

junebirthdaygirl · 16/10/2021 14:07

Yes l am a teacher and lots of jobs are more than earning money...they are your life's vocation maybe or at least fun or rewarding. I feel sad my mum missed that from a very young age.

plesiosaurus · 16/10/2021 14:13

How old is she now? My mother in law was like this, gave up work when she married in 1953, and didn't work again. Very 1950s housewife view of the world. My mum was exactly the same age as her, but always worked apart from when she was a SAHM in the mid to late 60s. The difference in their perception of what work was really like was vast!

plesiosaurus · 16/10/2021 14:18

@CallMeRisley My MIL was like this - oh, we never went abroad, whereas I did as a child because both parents worked! I've noticed that there are a lot of things that I did as a child and teen that my husband and SIL didn't do, and it was purely down to the fact we had more money because mum worked. Our fathers probably earned a similar amount, but our family had my mum's salary on top, which paid for the foreign trips, second car, driving lessons etc.

choli · 16/10/2021 14:40

Her mother gave her 30k to buy her London flat in 1989!
If she bought property in London in 1989 then she is probably pretty hyper aware of how property prices can drop. That fact is probably lost on those who think property prices go only one way.

onlychildhamster · 16/10/2021 15:02

@choli it can drop and I am prepared for it to drop. But I can only capitalize on it dropping to upgrade to something bigger if I have a decent salary/savings. She could only afford to move from a flat to a terrace cos her dad helped her. Even if I waited and rented in the interim (bought 2 years ago), I would still need considerable savings as the bank would not give out big mortgages during a crisis.

MissMarplesGoddaughter · 17/10/2021 03:04

@grey12
However I will say there are modern ideas that they don't know about. How nowadays it is advised to put babies on their backs, start foods at 6months, BF on demand, no water for small babies...... all those guidelines are recent and only new parents are more aware of it. GP need to be flexible to know that some things change and be willing to learn

I'm not sure how old you are but, there was a huge campaign to raise awareness of the importance of babies sleeping on their backs in 1986 after Anne Diamond sadly lost a baby to cot death.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-37908627

Auroreforet · 17/10/2021 04:42

@grey12
However I will say there are modern ideas that they don't know about. How nowadays it is advised to put babies on their backs, start foods at 6months, BF on demand, no water for small babies...... all those guidelines are recent and only new parents are more aware of it. GP need to be flexible to know that some things change and be willing to learn

I was doing all this 30 years ago.

DBI78 · 17/10/2021 05:12

My mother never worked when we were younger and only part time as we got older. I worked full time when my daughters were young and she never really helped as she was 'too busy' it was frustrating as the things she was too busy with I would be trying to cram in after kids were in bed. She once asked if I made sure my husband got some rest when he got in from work as he would have had a hard day.
Saying that when my son was born with additional needs I gave up work for two years and now work part time and tbh I feel as busy as I did when I worked full time. The only difference is I have more control over the day to day stuff and when I do it.
I think we put a lot of pressure on everyone particularly women to do it all, if a woman wants to stay at home and can afford to then that's fine and equally if someone wants to work full time and needs to rely on child care that's fine too. It seems like you don't agree with your mums choices and you feel she doesn't understand/ respect your situation.

gofg · 17/10/2021 05:49

Surely it is pointless resenting something which happened so long ago. Your DM won't be the only one in this situation, it's just the way life has changed. There are many advantages these days which previous generations didn't have, it's not a competition of who has the best life.

Just concentrate on your life and change your mindset.

Billandben444 · 17/10/2021 06:27

I do think older people don't understand how much more money younger people need to have a decent standard of living.
A lot of us do! I feel very sad at how hard my single-parent daughter has to work just to pay the bills - her quality of life is very poor. I feel very sad that some of my ex-colleagues in their 30s are still living with parents as they can't afford to rent in London. I feel very sad thinking about how it will be even harder for my grandchildren's generation 😥

Whowhenhowwhy · 17/10/2021 06:54

My mum never worked. She's stayed at home, cooked and cleaned her whole marriage and is happily married to my dad.

She is now 68 and has a really sharp tongue. Struggles to understand life and people. She's very much like oh why is everyone depressed, just get on with it.
In my opinion she has no idea and its made her a very harsh grumpy old woman. She does have alot of hangups about her appearance too and she expects her 4 daughters to be fat and struggle along with her.
I put up with her and love her because she's my mum and kept me fed and clothed, but I can't relate to her and I often think what would it be like to have a mum able to do the things she hasn't.

ILoveJamaica · 17/10/2021 08:15

Her mother gave her 30k to buy her London flat in 1989!

If she bought property in London in 1989 then she is probably pretty hyper aware of how property prices can drop. That fact is probably lost on those who think property prices go only one way

Indeed. My London flat dropped in value from £55k to £36k in 1990. A lot of people were in Negative Equity back then.

Intercity225 · 17/10/2021 08:45

I do think older people don't understand how much more money younger people need to have a decent standard of living.

I think we do! We paid all the accommodation costs for both DC through university; and DD took 7 years to do her degree! Then we gave the money for a deposit on a house to DS, when he had DGD!

We know exactly how much he pays for his mortgage; and DD pays in rent! We all live in the same area, so we know what all their other living costs are!

callmeadoctor · 17/10/2021 21:27

@onlychildhamster

My MIL is also very hippy too. She is not privileged like your mum and raised 4 children on a low income. Theoretically she should 'get it', that DH and I have to work to survive and pay our mortgage but the difference is that she had a generous father who still gives her money even though she is nearly 60. He gave her money to buy her flat and later her house. Her mother gave her 30k to buy her London flat in 1989! So when we were saving to buy our flat, she kept telling me the prices will drop and I shouldn't stress. Well maybe the prices will drop but the fact is she managed to upgrade to her house cos her dad gave her money to buy the house when she desperately needed more space for the 3 children she had. Admittedly DH and I had help from her as we stayed with her for a few years but without our salaries, we wouldn't have been able to buy and definitely without increasing our salaries, we wouldn't be able to pay for stuff like childcare or a bigger flat now that we have a £1k mortgage. But MIL kinda looks down on us for being in non creative jobs and she doesn't get that living in London in 2021 as millenials is kinda miserable without a decent salary and that rents are not a few hundred pounds per month. She thinks that cos she raised 4 kids on 16k in London, we should be able to live good lives on the same kind of salary and we should aspire to have that kind of salary. It's not just her tbh, my DH's other sisters are kinda similar except for one sister, I think they just kinda try to get by with as little as they can and try to get by with benefits/as little as they can earn as possible. MIL doesn't really need benefits as she already owns a house bought at 1997 prices so that does lower overall costs

I do think older people don't understand how much more money younger people need to have a decent standard of living.

By a decent standard of living you mean having a smart phone, computer, car, central heating, indoor toilet, washer/dryer! All the things that a lot of "older people" never had!!! I would say that the young people today need to get a reality check!
Pumperthepumper · 17/10/2021 21:29

@Intercity225

I do think older people don't understand how much more money younger people need to have a decent standard of living.

I think we do! We paid all the accommodation costs for both DC through university; and DD took 7 years to do her degree! Then we gave the money for a deposit on a house to DS, when he had DGD!

We know exactly how much he pays for his mortgage; and DD pays in rent! We all live in the same area, so we know what all their other living costs are!

Did your parents pay all of that for you?
callmeadoctor · 17/10/2021 21:29

I'll add tv to that list too!

Pumperthepumper · 17/10/2021 21:31

@callmeadoctor

I'll add tv to that list too!
I think that poster meant things like pensions, standard living wages and reasonable house prices, rather than being grateful for basic hygiene practices and warmth.
callmeadoctor · 17/10/2021 21:31

3 channels on the tv, no shops open on Sundays. No cheap clothing shops (home made knitted school cardigans).

callmeadoctor · 17/10/2021 21:33

Council house for us.

Pumperthepumper · 17/10/2021 21:33

@callmeadoctor

3 channels on the tv, no shops open on Sundays. No cheap clothing shops (home made knitted school cardigans).
How did your parent have time to work full time AND hand knit your clothes?!
Pea22ches · 17/10/2021 21:46

@Intercity225

I do think older people don't understand how much more money younger people need to have a decent standard of living.

I think we do! We paid all the accommodation costs for both DC through university; and DD took 7 years to do her degree! Then we gave the money for a deposit on a house to DS, when he had DGD!

We know exactly how much he pays for his mortgage; and DD pays in rent! We all live in the same area, so we know what all their other living costs are!

I agree with this poster. I'm a 90s child and when I was a kid you could get a 20p mix of sweets. You cannot get that now.

It's a different way of living today and although everything is more advanced nowadays I think it has a lot negatives draw backs that come with it as well.

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