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Resent that mum never worked/had a job - causing rifts between us

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Waferbiscuit · 10/10/2021 10:19

My mother married right out of University and since then has been a SAHM/SAHW. She only ever held one job, over the summer, when she was 20 and and has never had a job since.

She has lived a very comfortable life - children at a young age, divorced but remarried quickly so no change in her financial circumstances, moderately successful husband and kids at home until they left when she was 48. Since then she has spent the last 40+ years travelling, pottering and quite frankly stretching out daily chores into the day. She is part of a weird generation of mc women who expected to be cared for and probably never expected to work.

By contrast I have worked FT since leaving University, now a single parent, still working and juggling everything.

The fact that mum has never worked means she's lived in a real bubble, and has very skewed views about public life and the world of work. This causes huge rifts between us and really affects our relationship.

  • She has very little concept of what work is like and the pressures of modern work so when I explain that I am stressed she thinks that it's my fault and I need to manage it.
  • She doesn't understand that people need to do work outside of 9-5
  • She has no real sense of what it's like to have someone instructing you/telling you what to do; she has literally been 'self guided' her entire life
  • She thinks it's easy to get a job and promotion so doesn't understand why they aren't forthcoming for me or my siblings.
  • She is deeply unproductive so thinks juggling means trying to do the dishes and laundry in the same morning and considers that 'busy-ness' to be on par with mine
  • She is very naive about money and assumes everyone is on a relatively good wage. She doesn't understand why I can't go part-time.
  • She dresses in organic frocks and proudly doesn't wear makeup or do her hair but her 'hippyness' is a privilege - she doesn't clock that other people actually have to look and dress professionally for work.
  • She doesn't help me in any way - financially or with DCs - because she's always too busy doing nothing at all, but she's 'very busy'.

I know I should be grateful that she's not working in a factory to scrape by, but her naiviety means there's an entire aspects of my life she doesn't understand and over the years it's caused real tensions. I partly resent that she doesn't get it and partly resent that she's had such an easy ride that she takes for granted or really considers her due.

Posting just to see if anyone else has the same problem and how they made peace with it.

OP posts:
Lana07 · 12/10/2021 09:05

@speakout

I was born in the 60s in a poor working class area. Very few women with children worked. Child care - nursery or childminding was outwith the reach of unskilled women financially. If a mother did work it was often a cleaning job in the evenings. Women couldn't afford to work.
When did things change?
Lana07 · 12/10/2021 09:07

We were paying crazy money for nursery 80% of my salary 50/50 with my husband so I would carry on working and don't lose my job in 2007 when our son was 5.5 months.

MattyGroves · 12/10/2021 09:28

*Two things jump out from this thread for me.

  • as @JumperandJacket says the staggering internalised misogyny which classifies unpaid domestic work as "not work" and labels SAHMs as glorified parasites
  • the lack of understanding of how the other half live in terms of economic class, particularly the larger number of people who didn't live in the better off enclaves*

I agree with a lot of that but I think people have also projected a lot onto the OP's situation. She has been clear that her mother was and is pretty privileged and wasn't doing the washing down the river or anything but had lots of help and support throughout.

My mother is a lot like this and I can tell you that a) she had loads of opportunities, she went to university and could have worked a professional job if she had wanted to b) she had loads of support from her mother, who looked after me almost full time c) she had access to childcare d) my dad was and is pretty domesticated - he has throughout done 90% of the financial contribution and maybe 25-30% of the domestic e) she has never done any looking after of her parents or parents in law as other siblings stepped in.

Like the OP's mother she had had a bloody charmed life. Which is fine - I don't wish her ill and I don't seek her opinions but she offers them up to me and criticises my life when she doesn't understand it one tiny bit

racquel86 · 12/10/2021 09:28

My mum was a single parent, returned to full time work within weeks of me being born thanks to my awful father that went off with another woman. She worked full time as a teacher up until she was 65 - her only absences were to have me and when she had a hysterectomy when I was 11. I have to say it would have been nice to have her home more, to not be passed between pillar and post for childcare/school pick ups etc... But she had to do it - I understand she had no choice - well she did but that would have meant a life of poverty for us so I am grateful for what she did. She's paid her own way, paid a mortgage on her own, made sure I haven't gone without.
However, as much as I am pleased she is enjoying her retirement cos god knows she deserves it, I often feel she doesn't understand how difficult it is financially for me these days, how expensive it is to live and how stressful my job as a nurse is.... for example, the amount of weekends I work, the Christmas's and birthdays I have no choice but to work.
So I do understand.... I think these days tho there is very little understanding between everyone about different life pressures

Bumpitybumper · 12/10/2021 09:30

On the one hand you clearly resent your mother for having an 'easier' life than you and not having to encounter the struggles you are facing. You are annoyed she doesn't really understand the stress you are under and what the working world is like. I would argue that none of us really understand what it's like for others unless we have lived a similar experience.

We are all probably guilty of making naive comments or offering inappropriate solutions to problems without really understanding the context. Unless your mum is saying these things out if malice or spite then your anger seems to disproportionate. You need to get to the root of where these emotions are coming from, because it seems odd that you seem to have such strong feelings about your mother's lack of working experience, especially when the vast majority of her peers would have been retired for 20 year anyway by now and would still probably have very little concept of modern life and the current working world.

Like it or not, it is highly likely that you will be out of touch with modern family life when you are 80 and you may well offend or annoy your kids with what you say and think. Most of us have family members guilty of this and whilst we can obviously get frustrated, ultimately it is very difficult for someone to unlearn everything that life has taught them over the past eight decades and adapt completely to a rapidly changing modern world. I would try to explain this to her, but if she really can't understand this and continues to rush out unwelcome advice then just refuse to talk to her about the hot topics that annoy you. There is so much more to talk about and bond over than work so don't let this year your relationship apart if you want to maintain it. Your mum won't live forever and it is unlikely her views will change now so I would be cautious of creating a rift between you unnecessarily that you may later go on to regret.

Blossomtoes · 12/10/2021 09:37

I often feel she doesn't understand how difficult it is financially for me these days, how expensive it is to live and how stressful my job as a nurse is

If she brought you up as a single parent, I’m pretty sure she understands all too well. I was a single parent too, perhaps I didn’t put as good a face on it as your mum obviously did because my son is well aware of the hard work and financial worry that went into bringing him up. The absolute fear of how to pay the mortgage when the interest rate kept going up and up. I take it for granted that life isn’t a walk in the park, I expect she does too.

ModerateOven · 12/10/2021 10:18

Just because you attend a book club in your 50s- early 70s and you happen to be middle class, doesn't automatically mean you live a life of unadulterated pleasure

I look after my adult SEN 'child' at home, and joined a book club so I could have somewhere to be myself. I join in conversations, even about holidays because we do get away sometimes as we have occasional respite care. I absolutely never mention my caring responsibilities because I don't want the ensuing sympathy or even kind questioning. I just want to be me for an evening.

A woman I volunteer with in a charity shop, for about the last 5 years, always comes smartly dressed up with make up and talks about her badminton afternoons. She didn't turn up one day and confided in me that it'd been because the carer who looks after her bedridden husband two mornings a week had called off at short notice. She'd never mentioned it for the same reasons as mine.

Nobody knows what goes on in the lives of others.

Lana07 · 12/10/2021 10:27

@racquel86

My mum was a single parent, returned to full time work within weeks of me being born thanks to my awful father that went off with another woman. She worked full time as a teacher up until she was 65 - her only absences were to have me and when she had a hysterectomy when I was 11. I have to say it would have been nice to have her home more, to not be passed between pillar and post for childcare/school pick ups etc... But she had to do it - I understand she had no choice - well she did but that would have meant a life of poverty for us so I am grateful for what she did. She's paid her own way, paid a mortgage on her own, made sure I haven't gone without. However, as much as I am pleased she is enjoying her retirement cos god knows she deserves it, I often feel she doesn't understand how difficult it is financially for me these days, how expensive it is to live and how stressful my job as a nurse is.... for example, the amount of weekends I work, the Christmas's and birthdays I have no choice but to work. So I do understand.... I think these days tho there is very little understanding between everyone about different life pressures
If you had a choice, would you choose another career?
callmeadoctor · 12/10/2021 10:55

@racquel86

My mum was a single parent, returned to full time work within weeks of me being born thanks to my awful father that went off with another woman. She worked full time as a teacher up until she was 65 - her only absences were to have me and when she had a hysterectomy when I was 11. I have to say it would have been nice to have her home more, to not be passed between pillar and post for childcare/school pick ups etc... But she had to do it - I understand she had no choice - well she did but that would have meant a life of poverty for us so I am grateful for what she did. She's paid her own way, paid a mortgage on her own, made sure I haven't gone without. However, as much as I am pleased she is enjoying her retirement cos god knows she deserves it, I often feel she doesn't understand how difficult it is financially for me these days, how expensive it is to live and how stressful my job as a nurse is.... for example, the amount of weekends I work, the Christmas's and birthdays I have no choice but to work. So I do understand.... I think these days tho there is very little understanding between everyone about different life pressures
Your post makes no sense, its clear that your mum had a very difficult time. why do you think that she didnt get stressed and worry about finances?

"her only absences were to have me and when she had a hysterectomy when I was 11. I have to say it would have been nice to have her home more, to not be passed between pillar and post for childcare/school pick ups etc... But she had to do it - I understand she had no choice - well she did but that would have meant a life of poverty for us so I am grateful for what she did."

dottiedodah · 12/10/2021 11:24

Racquel86 Your Mum sounds similar to mine. DM worked all through my childhood with DGP looking after me as well. She had 9 to 4 as "part time" in the 70s . I spent time after School with my friend and her DM as well as DGP throughout hoidays and WE,She worked when DF was alive as he was ill.After he died she carried on working ,and met my SD also still worked! No Automatic WM ,didnt drive and had to cook every eve for SD and a fussy DD(me) Sorry Mum! Would I swap my life with her ? Hell No! I drive , am a SAHM (although have worked mostly PT)in the past . When she retired ,I would stay with her with DS who was small and DD on her own . I envied her sometimes as 2 DC were hard work! She said she envied me back! Sometimes all you see is face value ,our lives are not what they seem .I know of at least 2 people like your DM,both are on ADs!

LavenderYellow · 12/10/2021 12:53

@ModerateOven

Just because you attend a book club in your 50s- early 70s and you happen to be middle class, doesn't automatically mean you live a life of unadulterated pleasure

I look after my adult SEN 'child' at home, and joined a book club so I could have somewhere to be myself. I join in conversations, even about holidays because we do get away sometimes as we have occasional respite care. I absolutely never mention my caring responsibilities because I don't want the ensuing sympathy or even kind questioning. I just want to be me for an evening.

A woman I volunteer with in a charity shop, for about the last 5 years, always comes smartly dressed up with make up and talks about her badminton afternoons. She didn't turn up one day and confided in me that it'd been because the carer who looks after her bedridden husband two mornings a week had called off at short notice. She'd never mentioned it for the same reasons as mine.

Nobody knows what goes on in the lives of others.

So much this!
ModerateOven · 12/10/2021 14:55

I personally plan and would like to be an involved grandparent for our son's children (hopefully he has them when the time comes) if he and his wife need our help with childcare

I'd probably be happy to help out when required. But I think a distinction needs to be drawn between a 40 year old grandmother and an 80 year old one, which is what my mil was when her last grandchild was born. By that point she needed looking after herself.

I don't have grandchildren, but if it happened, I'll be way, way, way over 40. Way, way over. A lot.

icelolly12 · 12/10/2021 15:38

@thelegohooverer

I suspect the problem isn’t so much that your life circumstances have been different but that your dm lacks empathy and consideration and is doing nothing to meet either your emotional or practical needs.

That’s not about being a sahm, or not having worked. If she had a demanding career, I think it would still be all about her.

Agree she sounds very self absorbed and lacking in emotional intelligence/empathy. I've never been a refugee or been homeless but I can still empathise.
Blossomtoes · 12/10/2021 15:42

I've never been a refugee or been homeless but I can still empathise.

You can try. You’ll never truly understand. There are many experiences you can only understand if you’ve been there and it’s presumptuous to pretend otherwise.

callmeadoctor · 12/10/2021 15:45

thelegohooverer

"I suspect the problem isn’t so much that your life circumstances have been different but that your dm lacks empathy and consideration and is doing nothing to meet either your emotional or practical needs."

"That’s not about being a sahm, or not having worked. If she had a demanding career, I think it would still be all about her.

Agree she sounds very self absorbed and lacking in emotional intelligence/empathy. I've never been a refugee or been homeless but I can still empathise."

Wtf Confused

mathanxiety · 12/10/2021 16:17

I think your post is very sad.

It's very painful for you to deal with constant reminders that In effect you are living without the support - whether in spirit or in practical ways - of the one person who should 'get' you and be there for you.

My own mum always expressed the idea of getting a job as 'Having to take a job'. 'Having to take a job' meant your husband wasn't able to provide for the family.

It was a mark of shame - you either picked a poor specimen, in which case what sort of a silly woman were you, or he didn't care enough for you to provide (shame on you, what sort of woman fails to make her husband care). Being the M R S of a man who was able to provide for the family was the ultimate status in days of yore, as far as I can deduce from my mother anyway.

Luckily, my mum is open minded and has learned a lot from listening to friends' accounts of their children's lives, relationships, jobs, careers, and work-life balance. It's incredibly annoying that she doesn't really accept what her own children have been trying to tell her about working life these days, but however she gains insight I'll take it

Pea22ches · 12/10/2021 16:31

@Blossomtoes

I've never been a refugee or been homeless but I can still empathise.

You can try. You’ll never truly understand. There are many experiences you can only understand if you’ve been there and it’s presumptuous to pretend otherwise.

Your right. It's like the life you knew before kids.. you have no clue till you have your own.

OP is allowed to feel how she feels I think some have gone OTT. Give her a break.

callmeadoctor · 12/10/2021 16:52

I would absolutely have hated that era, bloody awful!

Gwenhwyfar · 12/10/2021 17:21

" I found their present lives and conversations banal and lacking in depth. "

Lol. Do you find the average full time worker's conversations to be deep then?

Gwenhwyfar · 12/10/2021 17:34

" I have never done his laundry at all. (And no we don't do half loads, we just wait the while few days till we have a full one)"

I've never seen either of my parents do each other's laundry either. I remember reading on here that someone who didn't do combined laundry or eat with her partner could be considered single for benefits. Madness!

Gwenhwyfar · 12/10/2021 17:38

"@ILoveJamaica morning clubs and after school clubs. "

Didn't exist a generation ago though, at least not where I come from and neither did day nurseries. There were some child minders and that was it.

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 12/10/2021 19:42

@Pumperthepumper

Pumperthepumber
‘No, but maybe keep them in mind before you slag your aunt off on the internet for being a wicked self-impregnater.’

Sounds like I touched a nerve there. Why are you so angry about lived experiences that you are obviously not part of? Are you my Aunt?

‘a wicked self-impregnater.’
That’s a bit strong! Your words not mine.

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 12/10/2021 19:44

@BoredZelda

BoredZelda
‘Whereas blaming your Aunt, saying she forced or tricked her husband into having more children isn’t disrespectful at all?’

This is an anonymous forum on the World Wide Web. It’s highly unlikely that my Aunt will be aware of these posts and realise that I’m referencing her. Plus this was 25-30 years ago.

I did not type the word ‘forced’ or state that she tricked anybody. I wonder why some posters like to create their own narrative of what other posters have said? And these type of posters never actually include snippets of what was actually said within their snappy responses 🥱

I said what I said. I say what I like and I will not be silenced or policed by anyone, especially a random anonymous person on the net.

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 12/10/2021 19:45

@ModerateOven

Moderate oven
‘Huh??’

RTFT.

HadEnoughofOtherThreads · 12/10/2021 19:46

@Viviennemary

Viviennemary
‘Kept getting pregnant. By herself you mean.’

RTFT properly.