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Controlling Wife

106 replies

WorkingFromHomeDad · 09/10/2021 23:32

My wife is someone who always likes to be in charge. This has many benefits as she always knows what's going in with holiday arrangements, childcare arrangements, birthday presents, getting costumes for the children's special days at school etc. This I have to admit and I often let her do it and just offer help.

In my defence I do always get told off for something or other when I do get more involved.

I do take charge of many things though, for example the kids clubs is more something I manage and spend much more time taking the children to clubs and doing everything they need for clubs. Housework is split evenly as is cooking.

Both our children are quite needy though and this puts us under stress, they fight quite a bit when they're together and they can lack enthusiasm when they're apart. Increasingly though, the children both relish time apart from each other if they have our full attention for whatever they enjoy the most.

My issue is this though. My wife complains about literally everything that I ever plan and she complains about a lot of the parenting that I do.

With planning things, we have a calendar app for things that we plan and the rule is basically if either of us put something in the calendar for the benefit of the family or children then we comit to doing that thing. If either of us wants to say do our own sport or social activity then we ask first.

The problem is it only works 1 way. When my wife plans anything for herself or for the family or children, I am always happy with it. Everything I put in the calendar or plan at all gets criticised and will apparently be at the wrong time, wrong weather, wrong people or too much for the children to cope with in her view. If my wife has a weekend or a day away I'm genuinely fine with it a nice about it. If I want even 1 day to do something (I have less time doing my own interests than my wife has so I am not asking too often) then my wife huffs and puffs and sighs and complains about the things she had to do when I get back, brings it up weeks after because for whatever reason she thinks me having any time away is trickier than the times she has away.

We have lost many friends over the years because of my wife. If I arrange anything with friends she just complains to me about the arrangements or is in a huff with me when we meet those friends. She just gets on my case about everything I plan from a walk in the country to having friends over for dinner. When she has a few friends over I leave them to it or get them drinks or whatever. My wife has managed to lose me potential friends over the years by her being so grumpy it's just rude and my friends don't come back. She has also cost my children friends by contacting their parents and making endless points about the time, place or group that they meet. My children's friends are always nice, she's not worried about their safety, but is more trying to micro manage the group dynamic. It has got to the point where some of my children's (few) friends don't reply to them and the parents stop talking to us. I will be honest here, my wife has had a valid point at times but for example there will be a slightly moany child and my wife is trying to manage it so that child is not there when my children meet the rest of their friendship group. The parents obviously work this out and take offence so that the next thing that happens is our child or children are excluded (not the child or children who my wife was trying to exclude).

Again, for balance, I must say my wife has made friends and contributed to the friendship groups we do have. It is sad to simply ruin other friendships though and we don't have any close or regular friendships.

Other problems have been that my wife is a very very bad loser. I have always known this and she used to admit it freely before children. It is totally embarrassing now in front of the children though. If a game relies on luck she will complain through the entire game that she is unlucky. If the game relies on interaction like say cards where you pick up cards that people put down, she will say I'm going out of my way to ruin her game. There's always a reason and so she often makes our family time together miserable when it should he fun family game time. My children have grown up with this example and so now they are like her but not as bad. This ruins anything from a family game of crazy golf on holiday to having a kick about with a football or playing cards as a family. If my wife is there then as a rule there's a good chance that games will be horrible and moaning with her and children bickering and me being nice but having snide remarks aimed at me by my wife normally but also by the children who have learned this way of behaving

I feel sick that I have committed so much only to be treated like this but I could not walk out on my children.

Every time I challenge my wife about being a bad loser she admits it but says it's my fault because I don't make her feel loved.

When I point out that everything I plan from a holiday to arranging to meet friends for a walk is criticised she denies it and if I give examples she just has a list of reasons why I did make this that or the other planning mistake. She accuses me of not doing enough parenting (of children when they argue etc), not enough planning of days out or holidays and not taking part in fun activities but then she is on my case when I do those things. The children literally repeat her criticisms of me when I speak nicely to them and am offering my help and attention.

I have no real idea what to do now. How does this sound to an outsider?

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Fairycake2 · 10/10/2021 00:12

Bumping for you

MushMonster · 10/10/2021 00:22

No idea of what to advice you, but I feel empathetic with you.
That will surely not make you feel treasured by your family!

It would really worry me that the children are following suit, and that some friendships have been lost because of this.
Hopefully someone can give you some tips to deal with this.

PlanDeRaccordement · 10/10/2021 00:24

I’d split and do 50/50 parenting until children are old enough to choose who they want to live with full time. I couldn’t live in an environment like that where my partner constantly criticises me and is in denial about it.

Until then, it might be best for you to not do things as a whole family as it sounds like it gets miserable when all four of you do anything together. Have her take them for activity/day, then you take them for activity/day, or each of you be with one.

Lullaby88 · 10/10/2021 06:06

Hmm sounds like there's a lot missing from ur relationship. A stronger connection. U 2 might need alone time away from kids and family and bond a little more. Until U don't do this U won't enjoy days out together. She may be controlling because she doesn't feel secure with u and therefore ur choices. Do u do nice things for her romantically? Or has it become all about the kids and outside circles?

ImustLearn2Cook · 10/10/2021 06:30

@WorkingFromHomeDad It sounds like you don’t like your wife very much and you’re just staying with her for the children.

That would hurt.

No one likes criticism. When someone is giving me criticism I evaluate it and decide if it is warranted, constructive or unwarranted. If it’s not warranted I dismiss it. If it is warranted then I take it on board and do something about it. If it is constructive then I also take it on board and try to learn from it.

In your case I really don’t know if the criticism is warranted or not.

What you really need to figure out is if you actually love this person or genuinely like her. If you do, then find a way to figure out a better way of dealing with the criticism. Evaluate it. Take it on board if it is warranted, dismiss it if it’s not. Remember no one is perfect. You’re not perfect, neither is your wife.

If you don’t love her or even like her, then leave and have 50/50 parenting with the children.

Shoxfordian · 10/10/2021 07:02

It sounds as though you don’t really like her; you shouldn’t stay together for the children- you can still be a great dad who’s not married to their mum anymore

Essen · 10/10/2021 07:15

We have a friend who has a wife a bit like this. She is very controlling and constantly criticises his plans and organisation. She actually has a superior smirk and an eye roll, as she watches him get something wrong (usually something like not being able to find the kids wellies) Last time we went to visit them, she spent the entire time trying to prove a point to her DH. It was horrible and very awkward for us and we have decided not to meet up with them again. DH might see him by himself, if our friend is ever ‘allowed’ to meet up. I sympathise but don’t really have any advice though!

I have lived with bad losers before and I refused to play any competitive games with them and if something started to get competitive I would just stop playing and go and do something else. It is an effective way of dealing with it.

Iwonder08 · 10/10/2021 07:19

Don't think of divorce as walking out on your children. 50% of quality time with them is much better than 100% of misery

MiddlesexGirl · 10/10/2021 09:32

Absolutely agree with @Iwonder08.
Even 20% of time with your kids and without your controlling wife will be better for them and for you.

I'd second stopping doing anything that includes your wife. Just do the kid stuff separately from her.
Agree if you can, different areas of parenting or different days of the week - like you do for the clubs for example.
Arrange activities for just the kids and you and don't include your wife.
Arrange some time off for you. Make sure it's less than your wife gets .. and just do it.
Arrange some things for just you and your wife so that you can try to reconnect without the kids being there.
Get some counselling arranged.

If that doesn't work, then divorce and go for 50:50 if you can. It really isn't good for the kids to be part of this really unhealthy dynamic.

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/10/2021 09:35

Iwonder08

Don't think of divorce as walking out on your children. 50% of quality time with them is much better than 100% of misery.”

Absolutely this. You’re all miserable as things are.

ArranMumma · 10/10/2021 09:37

If it wasn’t for the kids would you want to try and make it work with her?

sweetrhubarb · 10/10/2021 09:46

I hate to admit it but I think I became like your wife when I began to lose interest in my husband. It was SO much easier to just do things myself and because he let me, he became a little 'pathetic" in my mind, so that was a huge turn off.
Basically, we grew apart and wanted other things.

johnd2 · 10/10/2021 10:01

Sounds awful really, and it can't be good for anyone this situation. Since you're a man you'll find a lot of people on here are blindly not on your side, however there are some good responses too.
What i would say is would she be interested in counselling? If she is and would go along with you (probably on zoom nowadays) then you can try to understand each others feelings and process your own.
If not, then you have to instate your own boundaries and enforce them, as the example to your kids is being created by the interactions between you two, so modelling strong boundaries by either splitting up or resolving things another way will be the solution for your kids in that case.
Good luck!

WorkingFromHomeDad · 10/10/2021 10:16

Thank you. We don't get much time away from the children. Regarding romance, there are no prizes for guessing it's not great. Anything I suggest there is also either suggested at the wrong time or the wrong mood ir the wrong suggestion or mshe turns away from me. Ultimately the mood is never great. I did buy a few romantic clothes years ago and felt hurt that she rejected them saying it was just something for me to look at and nothing for her. I tried again more recently when we did have a rare break but there really were no times when she hadn't planned every detail of our break with military precision to make every single minute busy. I didn't give her those things although our romance improved a bit on that break.

I have arranged regular reciprocal babysitting with 4 or 5 different friends over the years but my wife fell out with the wives of 2 of them. They were slightly opinionated to be fair but not terrible people! 2 moved away and with the mist regular reciprocal arrangement, all my wife could do was complain when I arranged to babysit for them, frequently in the day before I babysat for them and a few times the next day. I did babysit at theirs a little bit more often than they babysat for us but not much and this was my wife's complaint. I did try to arrange more nights out for us but again each suggestion I made was criticised. This is where I'd say she ground me down and I stopped making the effort with those friends because I was criticised so much. It didn't seem too bad at the time, it was before my wife fell out with the remaining 2.

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Rainbowheart1 · 10/10/2021 10:21

She sounds like a nightmare, I couldn’t live with someone like that.

I’d leave, it’s not walking out on the kids, it’s making sure the time spent with you is actually fun and not just part of a miserable existence

WorkingFromHomeDad · 10/10/2021 10:25

Thanks, yes there are plenty good replies. I have proposed counselling in the past and she refuses. She puts the blame on me and when I do explain things she has probably caused she cries, asks me to move out etc. I have to admit she is good at resolving the children's disputes but it is always temporary. They go back to fighting with each other later on. We disagree on parenting because I would simply have a forfeit for bad behaviour but my wife always nacks down on forfeits for the children and lets them earn their lost privalage back again somehow. That's bad parenting in my view and the cause of the children not taking responsibility for the arguments they start.

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WorkingFromHomeDad · 10/10/2021 10:28

Thanks, if it wasn't for the kids I'd have left years ago but then if it wasn't for the kids we wouldn't have the stress that has taken away our time, energy and relationship.

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WorkingFromHomeDad · 10/10/2021 10:31

Thanks sweatrhubarb. I think that is exactly the situation here and I think we both know it in our relationship.

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Margotshypotheticaldog · 10/10/2021 10:38

It does sound as though you are making each other miserable (and your children too by extension) Perhaps you would all be happier if you separated. She has cried in the past and asked you to move out, what was the outcome of those conversations?

ImustLearn2Cook · 10/10/2021 10:40

I did buy a few romantic clothes years ago and felt hurt that she rejected them saying it was just something for me to look at and nothing for her.

@WorkingFromHomeDad What are romantic clothes? Was it an evening dress for her and a stylish suit for you to wear to a fancy restaurant or a night out at the theatre? Or are you talking about lingerie for her to wear?

Lingerie is sexy not romantic. And if she doesn’t like wearing lingerie or the style of lingerie that you chose for her, or doesn’t feel sexy in it, or comfortable wearing it; then why would you not respect that?

Why would you emotionally blackmail her with feeling hurt and view it as her rejecting your allegedly romantic gift? As if she has done something wrong.

After reading your second post I’ve lost all sympathy for you.

Margotshypotheticaldog · 10/10/2021 10:41

Kids fight BTW, it's not usually the fault of one or other of their parents. But if there is a tense, uncomfortable, unhappy atmosphere in the house, the children will be picking up on that. That type of atmosphere is as a result of the dysfunctional dynamic between the parents, both of them.

Margotshypotheticaldog · 10/10/2021 10:42

WorkingFromHomeDadWhat are romantic clothes? Was it an evening dress for her and a stylish suit for you to wear to a fancy restaurant or a night out at the theatre?
I suspect not

billy1966 · 10/10/2021 10:49

@Iwonder08

Don't think of divorce as walking out on your children. 50% of quality time with them is much better than 100% of misery
Absolutely agree with this.

I know a woman similar to this.

She was the mother of a child in one of my daughters class.

She micro managed EVERYTHING.

She was the same in her sons group and she was actively avoided by the parents there.
She had to be in the middle of all her children's friendships and often trying to edge a child she didn't like out.

Bat shit.

You sound utterly miserable as does your whole family dynamic.

Separate homes would be good for your children.Flowers

Hrpuffnstuff1 · 10/10/2021 10:56

Wtc is romantic clothes?
Are you 2 having sex?

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 10/10/2021 10:59

She sounds bstshit.

What's stopping you moving out with your DC?

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