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Controlling Wife

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WorkingFromHomeDad · 09/10/2021 23:32

My wife is someone who always likes to be in charge. This has many benefits as she always knows what's going in with holiday arrangements, childcare arrangements, birthday presents, getting costumes for the children's special days at school etc. This I have to admit and I often let her do it and just offer help.

In my defence I do always get told off for something or other when I do get more involved.

I do take charge of many things though, for example the kids clubs is more something I manage and spend much more time taking the children to clubs and doing everything they need for clubs. Housework is split evenly as is cooking.

Both our children are quite needy though and this puts us under stress, they fight quite a bit when they're together and they can lack enthusiasm when they're apart. Increasingly though, the children both relish time apart from each other if they have our full attention for whatever they enjoy the most.

My issue is this though. My wife complains about literally everything that I ever plan and she complains about a lot of the parenting that I do.

With planning things, we have a calendar app for things that we plan and the rule is basically if either of us put something in the calendar for the benefit of the family or children then we comit to doing that thing. If either of us wants to say do our own sport or social activity then we ask first.

The problem is it only works 1 way. When my wife plans anything for herself or for the family or children, I am always happy with it. Everything I put in the calendar or plan at all gets criticised and will apparently be at the wrong time, wrong weather, wrong people or too much for the children to cope with in her view. If my wife has a weekend or a day away I'm genuinely fine with it a nice about it. If I want even 1 day to do something (I have less time doing my own interests than my wife has so I am not asking too often) then my wife huffs and puffs and sighs and complains about the things she had to do when I get back, brings it up weeks after because for whatever reason she thinks me having any time away is trickier than the times she has away.

We have lost many friends over the years because of my wife. If I arrange anything with friends she just complains to me about the arrangements or is in a huff with me when we meet those friends. She just gets on my case about everything I plan from a walk in the country to having friends over for dinner. When she has a few friends over I leave them to it or get them drinks or whatever. My wife has managed to lose me potential friends over the years by her being so grumpy it's just rude and my friends don't come back. She has also cost my children friends by contacting their parents and making endless points about the time, place or group that they meet. My children's friends are always nice, she's not worried about their safety, but is more trying to micro manage the group dynamic. It has got to the point where some of my children's (few) friends don't reply to them and the parents stop talking to us. I will be honest here, my wife has had a valid point at times but for example there will be a slightly moany child and my wife is trying to manage it so that child is not there when my children meet the rest of their friendship group. The parents obviously work this out and take offence so that the next thing that happens is our child or children are excluded (not the child or children who my wife was trying to exclude).

Again, for balance, I must say my wife has made friends and contributed to the friendship groups we do have. It is sad to simply ruin other friendships though and we don't have any close or regular friendships.

Other problems have been that my wife is a very very bad loser. I have always known this and she used to admit it freely before children. It is totally embarrassing now in front of the children though. If a game relies on luck she will complain through the entire game that she is unlucky. If the game relies on interaction like say cards where you pick up cards that people put down, she will say I'm going out of my way to ruin her game. There's always a reason and so she often makes our family time together miserable when it should he fun family game time. My children have grown up with this example and so now they are like her but not as bad. This ruins anything from a family game of crazy golf on holiday to having a kick about with a football or playing cards as a family. If my wife is there then as a rule there's a good chance that games will be horrible and moaning with her and children bickering and me being nice but having snide remarks aimed at me by my wife normally but also by the children who have learned this way of behaving

I feel sick that I have committed so much only to be treated like this but I could not walk out on my children.

Every time I challenge my wife about being a bad loser she admits it but says it's my fault because I don't make her feel loved.

When I point out that everything I plan from a holiday to arranging to meet friends for a walk is criticised she denies it and if I give examples she just has a list of reasons why I did make this that or the other planning mistake. She accuses me of not doing enough parenting (of children when they argue etc), not enough planning of days out or holidays and not taking part in fun activities but then she is on my case when I do those things. The children literally repeat her criticisms of me when I speak nicely to them and am offering my help and attention.

I have no real idea what to do now. How does this sound to an outsider?

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Bythemillpond · 12/10/2021 04:50

It doesn't enhance my life but the main thing I have really failed to get across here is that the children are stressful. I know children fight but my 2 can ruin an entire holiday by screaming at each other every day within 15 minutes of getting up. criticising literally each and every activity that we do

this is not entirely our fault and is not my wife's fault as she is normally the one who can calm them down again

Children have created this stress. The signs in my wife were there in the past but far smaller. I nearly left her over her demanding to do everything with me and then being like my shadow and criticising what I was doing when I hadn't really wanted her to follow me in every activity I did anyway. Those problems went away though, she gave me space and the time together was fun and loving again

Where do you think this behaviour comes from.
Of course your wife is good at getting the dc to calm down. It is a carefully rehearsed dance to make you think it isn’t her fault but the children’s and she is the only one to calm them down when it is her behaviour over the years that has damaged your children.

Whilst the advice might be to call out the person who is criticising, that is exactly what they want as they can turn the situation on a sixpence and suddenly you are the one being painted as abusive.

I would calmly call out your dc on the wording they use being the same as their mothers and if it is them that have a problem with you or they are just repeating what they have picked up.
I would also point out that they are going to have a miserable life if they choose to emulate their mother.

People are going to actively avoid them like they do their mother because of the constant criticisms and micro managing every situation.
I would also spell it out that they have lost friends because of their mothers behaviour
Behaviour that they are now copying

I have met people who are sore losers. They come across as slightly pathetic and childish individuals. Anyone who is an adult and gets upset at losing a game of snap needs more than counselling

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 12/10/2021 11:17

[quote WorkingFromHomeDad]@bettertimesarecomingnow It doesn't enhance my life but the main thing I have really failed to get across here is that the children are stressful. I know children fight but my 2 can ruin an entire holiday by screaming at each other every day within 15 minutes of getting up. criticising literally each and every activity that we do.

this is not entirely our fault and is not my wife's fault as she is normally the one who can calm them down again.

Children have created this stress. The signs in my wife were there in the past but far smaller. I nearly left her over her demanding to do everything with me and then being like my shadow and criticising what I was doing when I hadn't really wanted her to follow me in every activity I did anyway. Those problems went away though, she gave me space and the time together was fun and loving again.[/quote]
It would be very hard to unwind what's cause and effect, the dynamic you explain, the toxic relationship between the two of you, that would be having a big effect on your children. It's a cop out to blame them for these issues. You're the adults, you and your wife, you seek support, you get help, you do what you need to to help your children. Them behaving that way is a big red flag that they're not coping, as their parent you should be finding a way to remedy that not blaming them for the toxic situation you're in.

LunaAndHerMoonDragons · 12/10/2021 11:19

Meant to add your wife's behaviour, should have said:

It would be very hard to unwind what's cause and effect, the dynamic you explain, your wife's behaviour, the toxic relationship between the two of you, that would be having a big effect on your children.

GingerScallop · 12/10/2021 11:58

@Bythemillpond

It doesn't enhance my life but the main thing I have really failed to get across here is that the children are stressful. I know children fight but my 2 can ruin an entire holiday by screaming at each other every day within 15 minutes of getting up. criticising literally each and every activity that we do

this is not entirely our fault and is not my wife's fault as she is normally the one who can calm them down again

Children have created this stress. The signs in my wife were there in the past but far smaller. I nearly left her over her demanding to do everything with me and then being like my shadow and criticising what I was doing when I hadn't really wanted her to follow me in every activity I did anyway. Those problems went away though, she gave me space and the time together was fun and loving again

Where do you think this behaviour comes from.
Of course your wife is good at getting the dc to calm down. It is a carefully rehearsed dance to make you think it isn’t her fault but the children’s and she is the only one to calm them down when it is her behaviour over the years that has damaged your children.

Whilst the advice might be to call out the person who is criticising, that is exactly what they want as they can turn the situation on a sixpence and suddenly you are the one being painted as abusive.

I would calmly call out your dc on the wording they use being the same as their mothers and if it is them that have a problem with you or they are just repeating what they have picked up.
I would also point out that they are going to have a miserable life if they choose to emulate their mother.

People are going to actively avoid them like they do their mother because of the constant criticisms and micro managing every situation.
I would also spell it out that they have lost friends because of their mothers behaviour
Behaviour that they are now copying

I have met people who are sore losers. They come across as slightly pathetic and childish individuals. Anyone who is an adult and gets upset at losing a game of snap needs more than counselling

I have never done this but OP please dont listen to the advice saying tell them they will be as miserable as their mother or that "they have lost friends because of their mothers behaviour. Behaviour that they are now copying". To me this is emotional abuse of the kids and disrespect of your wife. You will end up loosing their affection and respect and their mother's too (which I think you need if you are staying, and need if you are to part amicably)

Y'all really really need counselling so that the counsellor can hear all sides and help. This is sad because I think your marriage is salvageable but you all need a safe outlet to express what you feel and look for solutions

aloris · 12/10/2021 14:41

I would definitely not tell them that they will be as miserable as their mother, because they need her and it is not in their interests to feel inwardly critical of her. It will also just make them feel bad about themselves without giving them the skills to do anything differently. I think you do need some way to re-frame her behavior for them, so that they can escape imitating her negativistic thought patterns about other people. You also need to teach them better skills for interpersonal interaction. Usually this is done by modeling. So again, I think counseling just for you (especially if your wife won't go) to decide a different way to handle this. It could mean taking each child out alone on Saturday mornings, say once a week (alternate weeks per child), things like that. On these outings you can talk with the kids about how they feel, fill their buckets so they have sufficient self-esteem to not get knocked back when they argue with their sibling, show them you are interested in them by listening to them ramble about Pokemon or whatever is their current obsession.

It is not abnormal for siblings to bicker with each other. It's more convenient for parents to have the kids move as a group so you have to do less outings and you get more time alone, but kids are different from each other and they don't feel "heard" in the same way if they are together with you as a group vs if they are alone with you. Screaming while they are arguing is not healthy and you do need to work on that but that kind of thing takes time.

Letting kids earn back privileges is pretty normal, that is one way you can compromise with your wife. If you are arguing with her in front of them about how she lets them earn back privileges, she will feel unsupported and that will make things worse. Especially if her interactions with them are on the more essential areas such as getting to school on time. She needs the flexibility to have a strategy that works for her. No fair having her be the one with the "must do" chores and then micromanaging how she does them.

WorkingFromHomeDad · 26/10/2021 22:30

@Jaguarshoes If your Dad had left then would you not have been stuck with the mother who you described as cold? If so would that be better?

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