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To be beginning to have a bad feeling about new boyfriend?

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Neverkins · 07/10/2021 15:34

I’m 3 months into a new relationship with a man I knew years ago. I always fancied him but he wasn’t into me. We lost touch after I went to uni, he stayed in our home town and got married. I contacted him over the years, mostly between my two long term relationships. He always seemed very focused on how attractive/slim I am ‘now’. He contacted me very very soon after his wife left him (I didn’t know at the time but it was 2/3 days). We met up, one thing led to another and we’ve been dating since. He told me he loved me very quickly and I reciprocated very enthusiastically. I felt head over heels and couldn’t believe he finally loved me.

I’m sure there are red flags in some of the backstory but I still mostly feel that I really am in love with him. There are some minor things bothering me though, mostly about money.

I work in a large firm I joined as a graduate. I’ve worked my way up the ladder and earn a very good salary in a part of the country with low cost of living. New guy was very nosy about my income from day 1, googling my job and firm to find out what I might earn. Asked lots of direct questions until I told him an approximate figure. He became belligerent and argumentative, told me that it wasn’t much money and he earns 10k more than me anyway. Now, I don’t particularly care what he earns as I can and do support myself, but the way he reacted was really odd. It seemed like he was trying to put me down/in my place and it was interesting that he volunteered no information about his own income until he knew mine and could compare. Also, I have some very good reasons to believe he doesn’t earn the money he claims he does.

He left his phone open with a WhatsApp conversation on the screen in which he was ‘bragging’ really grossly to a new friend of his about how much money I earn and that I’ve agreed to get him (this friend I’ve never met) a job in my firm. Needless to say I’d said no such thing and never would.

I make sure I pay for at least half of our dates and offer to pay for them all. We’ve enjoyed some very nice meals out and some lovely hotels so I’ve spent good money on him and vice versa. One morning we went to a cafe for breakfast and he disappeared off to the toilet after we’d both finished eating. He was taking a while and I felt awkward waiting for him in front of empty plates in a busy place so paid and found him outside smoking. He shouted at me for ‘embarrassing’ him by paying. This was a £15 bill when he’d been fine with my buying dinner and hotel rooms. 10 minutes later he apologised and said his outburst was because he isn’t used to women paying for things, that no woman has ever so much as bought him a drink before and he doesn’t know how to handle it.

He’s asked me a lot about what savings I have, and tells me he has great business ideas for me to invest in. Is very keen to bring this up in frequent conversations and talks about introducing me to business associates of his.

Despite supposedly earning more money than me, being 4 years older than me (40 years old), living in a very inexpensive part of the country and never moving out of our home town, has never owned property. Obviously there’s no problem with renting but it just doesn’t make sense for someone in his supposed position.

Within a week of meeting up he was talking very seriously about living together. Seemed very keen on me selling my home and us buying somewhere together. When I took it at face value and asked how we would structure it, what sort of price range we’d be considering, he fluffed around and gave me some noncommittal answer about how I should definitely buy it myself for my own legal protection. It seems like he just wants me to provide somewhere for him to live that’s convenient for him and to his taste. He’s living back with his parents as he generously (in his words) let his wife stay in their rented home.

We were at a local pub a couple of nights ago - just the two of us (and nobody we knew in there), and were taking it in turns to buy the drinks. It’s a very standard pub I’ve visited many times, where a glass of wine is around £5-6 and there’s nothing expensive by the glass. A pint of lager/ale and a glass of wine is always

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Drinkingallthewine · 08/10/2021 12:06

My ex had a lot of simiarities. Right down to the photos- some posed but some of me clearly asleep and positioned by him. After we split I was really worried he would distribute them to my very conservative parents and family.
I blurted out my fears to my very prudish (by her own description) SIL who told me that if she got an email like that from him, it wouldn't be me she would be judging, it would show him to be the horrible, awful man he truly was, and that my conservative parents would also come to that conclusion. They may not like their DD posing sexily nude, but I was an adult and they would care more about my privacy being invaded or exploited by a creep than my actions in private.

That gave me the strength to be blasé about them when he subsequently mentioned them - testing me I think to see if I'd freak out. He kind of said "Oh well I still have those photos even if I don't have you. Your mother would be shocked if she ever saw them" and I just replied "lol, my mum has seen my fanny more times than anyone, she'd be more shocked at you sending them to her, she'd skin you alive, not me"

And like another poster said, by not being ashamed or embarrassed about them, it devalued them right away as a manipulation too for him. FWIW, nobody ever saw them.

Luckily his type usually don't put their eggs in one basket, and my ex was no different - he had a new girlfriend within a week - actually looking back I suspect she was on the scene some months before we split, but anyway, he didn't put up too much of an argument in the end like I'd expected. Once they know you are onto them, they are smart enough to know they can't repair it so it's usually onto the next naive person that they already had tentatively lined up as a back up.

His ego won't let him stick around to see you seeing him as he really is.

Rainydaypuddles · 08/10/2021 12:06

You’ve done the right thing OP. I hope he doesn’t turn up - make sure you’ve got some support nearby or with you if he does. And don’t let him in!

roxyro · 08/10/2021 12:07

I had someone similar a long time ago, even down to living with parents due to divorce. My spidey senses were in overdrive but I conveniently ignored them - bad idea. Long story short, it took me a long time to recover from all the deceit and I really do implore you to get rid - fast.

Rannva · 08/10/2021 12:09

The photo part is very scary and upsetting. It's so sad that he's likely used you for nothing more than money, humiliation and boasting. He sounds much older - is he? - and a real danger to women.

oakleaffy · 08/10/2021 12:10

Well done, @Neverkins!
He may well keep trying to contact you over the next few weeks, but just ignore him.

So glad you trusted your ''Inner voice'' enough to write this thread ...Every woman who has gone through a 'Relationship' like this knows how it can ''Sweep you off your feet'' and one is so caught up in it that that little inner voice jumping up and down saying ''Wait! Be careful! I don't fully feel at ease here'' is quashed down.

I expect his 'Modus operandi 'is similar with every woman he attempts to have a 'Relationship' with..

His taking pics of you while you were sleeping is an absolute no no.
As was stealing off you.

Using a nickname you dislike also shows what an unpleasant little creep he is, as well.

ArabellaScott · 08/10/2021 12:16

Hoping you are okay, OP. Well done for getting rid, that man had more red flags than a communist parade.

Take care.

throwitin · 08/10/2021 12:17

Such a great thread and a brilliant outcome. I wish I knew about Mumsnet earlier. Maybe I would have found the strength to write a post like this and run far far away when I was in a similar position.

FourteenSixteenTwentyTwo · 08/10/2021 12:27

You sound lovely and really self-aware, OP. It's so sad to see how many women on this thread have had similar experiences. But I think it's really important to point out that it's the women's fault in these situations. These types of men know exactly what they are doing and will charm and love-bomb before you even notice what's going on.

I'm really impressed that you picked up on this early and have got out quickly. Well done and good luck.

KirstenBlest · 08/10/2021 12:31

@FourteenSixteenTwentyTwo,, did you mean to say But I think it's really important to point out that it's the women's fault in these situations.?

Biddie191 · 08/10/2021 12:31

I've not read the whole thread, but have read your posts. Seems to me you've done exactly the right thing, just stay firm, stay safe, and walk away.
The only thing I would add (and it may well have been said already) is do talk to people, and tell them what happened. It is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, embarrassed about or whatever. You did absolutely nothing wrong, and the more people feel they can talk about things like this, the less it will happen. My sister get into a terrible, abusive (financially, emotionally and physically) relationship, and still went through with the wedding, as she thought people would judge her for being naïve. It came as a huge surprise to all of us - he was great at appearing to be a loving, caring bloke - but none of us judged her at all, we just wished she'd felt she could talk to us sooner about how terrible her life was. Again it was a real whirlwind romance, they married, she sold her house and they bought somewhere (not as nice, either) together. Following the divorce he took pretty much everything she owned, as her income was higher. So many similarities to your story, regarding the 'crazy' ex wife, the interest in money, the investments etc etc.

Stay safe, and stay happy xxx

storkstalk · 08/10/2021 12:45

Well done OP! I think it’s good that you’ve spoken to your friend too so you have support if you do start to waver.

FourteenSixteenTwentyTwo · 08/10/2021 12:45

[quote KirstenBlest]**@FourteenSixteenTwentyTwo,, did you mean to say But I think it's really important to point out that it's the women's fault in these situations.?[/quote]
Oops! Definitely NOT the women's fault! Sorry Blush

Biddie191 · 08/10/2021 12:45

FairNotFair I'm intrigued by the 4% who think the OP is BU Confused

I firstly thought it meant being unreasonable for thinking he's ok, then realised - I think everyone is on her side, and realised he needs to be gone x

silverbubbles · 08/10/2021 12:57

He sounds really awful. I doubt you actually fancy him anymore after finding out what he is really like. Move on quick as possible.

Neverkins · 08/10/2021 13:06

Thank you all, again, for all the kind messages and encouragement. There are lots of wise and lovely people here. I’m sorry to see so many have experienced similar relationships, or at least encountered similar characters.

No crazy or scary behaviour from him so far, though he has messaged quite a lot and called a few times. He was trying to be loving and concerned. He sent me a ‘good morning’ photo of himself (just his head, smiling) and lots of ‘I love you’d but I just found it repulsive. He’s already shifting into the next phase, it would seem. He’s guilt-tripping me about how I could do this so soon after his wife, how devastated his mum is as she thought I was so nice, how it’s all because of me that he hasn’t made any progress with finding his own place as he was so certain we would be living together soon that it didn’t make sense to rent somewhere himself, etc. I just really really hope he tires himself out and leaves me alone soon without any further drama.

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mm40 · 08/10/2021 13:10

Fuck him off….. now

Mary46 · 08/10/2021 13:10

I would say you werent impressed with the pub spend it was sly. Call him out. But from reading your thread you well rid. Hope u ok.

Zanina · 08/10/2021 13:10

Bloody hell run! 😳

Sunshinealligator · 08/10/2021 13:14

@Neverkins

Thank you all, again, for all the kind messages and encouragement. There are lots of wise and lovely people here. I’m sorry to see so many have experienced similar relationships, or at least encountered similar characters.

No crazy or scary behaviour from him so far, though he has messaged quite a lot and called a few times. He was trying to be loving and concerned. He sent me a ‘good morning’ photo of himself (just his head, smiling) and lots of ‘I love you’d but I just found it repulsive. He’s already shifting into the next phase, it would seem. He’s guilt-tripping me about how I could do this so soon after his wife, how devastated his mum is as she thought I was so nice, how it’s all because of me that he hasn’t made any progress with finding his own place as he was so certain we would be living together soon that it didn’t make sense to rent somewhere himself, etc. I just really really hope he tires himself out and leaves me alone soon without any further drama.

Prepare for anger to follow, then attempts to emotionally manipulate you, oh and then he will probably try to devalue you.

You're doing so well. Don't give him even the shortest text.

Ellie56 · 08/10/2021 13:14

Tell him you don't appreciate being ripped off then block everywhere.

ArabellaScott · 08/10/2021 13:17

Creeps like this will do anything to keep you under their thumb, OP. Beg, threaten, sweet talk, etc.

Salayes · 08/10/2021 13:18

Riiiiiiight, because it’s totally reasonable not to get your own place after your marriage breaks up because you think you’ll be moving into your new girlfriends house - Only 3 months after you met her (and 3 months after said marriage).

And to bring his mum into it too, who i am sure is hardly ‘devastated’ after such a short amount of time.

At least he’s confirming what a twat he is. Sorry you’re experiencing this but good for you for doing the right thing for yourself. He sounds untethered to reality. Flowers

rossogingerale · 08/10/2021 13:18

Read what you have typed OP out loud when alone and hopefully you can see what we all see.

Now you leave him asap and never go back.

GiantHaystacks2021 · 08/10/2021 13:18

No.

Bin.

ChargingBuck · 08/10/2021 13:19

how it’s all because of me that he hasn’t made any progress with finding his own place as he was so certain we would be living together soon

Grin Grin Grin

Great work with the self-outing Mr Crypto, keep it up.

Maybe next message you can tell OP it's all her fault you're skint because you haven't been able to get your paws on her bank card this week.