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Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

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abersterol · 05/10/2021 16:00

A year ago today I met the man I am currently with. He’s 39, I was 35 last week. When we met I was very clear I wanted to settle down and have a family. He said the same. He has a job that means he works 7am to usually half 8 (this is relevant I think).

In short, we’ve had brief sex twice, both times for about two minutes and then he stops. We’ve had other intimacy, he goes down on me and I on him, he’s hard when we kiss and he’s into cuddling and is quite affectionate that way. I’ve asked him why he’s reluctant to have proper full sex (we’ve done it twice and the last time was in may). I’ve asked him literally everything I could think of, gone through all the possible anxieties, worries or concerns he may have from sti to performance and everything in between. I’ve sat and held his hand and said whatever the issue is I’m here to work through it with him. I’ve also asked outright if he just doesn’t like sex. His answer is always the same: he wants sex, he wants that with me, he doesn’t have a reason why we haven’t developed that side to the relationship and he can’t promise me when we will do it but he knows he wants to at some point. So what happens is I leave it, a week or two, then obviously we do other things and he ejaculates with a blow job and things carry on, but I start feeling upset about the fact there’s no progress with sex and no answer as to why we are no doing it. He recently told me the last time he did have sex was 7 years ago. He’s not had a relationship for a long time and the longest has been much shorter than ours at a few weeks/months. I wondered if he was worried about performance but I’ve asked sensitively about that too and he says not.

That’s issue one.

Issue two is that since June I’ve been trying to book a short break from Saturday to Monday, to go away for a long weekend together. He’s not keen on taking time off/started a new job recently so said he doesn’t know if he can etc. I’ve said it’s just one day of annual leave. He’s said he can’t go abroad or go far as he just doesn’t want to do that right now with work. I’m not exactly sure why as his colleagues go away and they’re in the same role but he seems to find it all stressful. Eventually he agreed to ask to take a Monday off in October and so I booked somewhere an hour away, just for a change of scenery. It turns out he didn’t ask work/couldn’t take it off in the end. He’s not suggested another weekend or even said let’s just have a night away on a Saturday instead which I would have thought was a compromise. I know this is a bit of a first world problem and if the relationship is good then maybe I should stop complaining about something like this, but I guess it had upset me he didn’t want to find any extra time to share together. Again with this I was very patient, he said he did want to go away but didn’t know when etc etc. So I emailed him some dates and hotels and asked which he liked. He said he liked one of them and so I said I would provisionally book. Then he makes zero steps to organise it with his work or suggest an alternative. It makes me feel a bit messed around.

All this came to a head a few nights ago. We’d had a nice meal and come home and were watching a film, kissing etc. I suggested sex and he just stopped and shook his head. I asked why and he shook his head and didn’t answer. I got really upset. Said we’d had a nice night, if you want sex like you’ve said then why aren’t you doing that… it escalated.

I said it wasn’t normal to say you want sex and then not do it. I said he was weird for not wanting to go away together and do something nice and that most normal people in an adult relationship would appreciate me taking time to fit in with them and find somewhere nice to go for a two night break once in a year. I said he was selfish for not listening to me or compromising, said he was making me miserable and why couldn’t he at least understand that as a couple he should be honest and if he wants us to be together he needs to understand that you have to compromise. I said it was obvious why he had never had a relationship before. I said he was a bastard for playing games (no idea if he is but it felt that way). I asked him if he just wanted to break up because I couldn’t understand why he would treat me this way. I also raised the fact that in summer he would only see me briefly on a Sunday night for a few weeks and wouldn’t go for a meal or do anything as he had an interview coming up. It was a huge interview to be fair to him but I found it all a bit odd and extreme and said it was hurtful at the time.

He got upset and then defensive, said he does compromise to be with me because he spends all his free time with me outside work …that is mostly true he does but I said that’s not compromising, that’s just having the relationship. He said he would usually work later than he does it it wasn’t for me, so therefore it was a compromise Hmm

It ended with him saying I clearly thought he was inadequate and therefore he couldn’t meet my needs and I had been horrible to him and that changed how he felt now.

We had some breathing space and reconvened when calmed down but even then he was reluctant to actually talk about things rationally. He didn’t say much and I still have no idea when he wants sex other than he told me that the last two weeks he was too tired after work. He didn’t explain the last 11 months though.

Aside from these things we have had a lovely relationship. I do love him. He’s said the same to me. We’ve had some lovely times and I honestly thought he was the person I would be with.

Have I ruined it this by flying off the handle and saying horrible things in anger? I feel terrible and he is saying he questions the whole relationship after how I snapped. I am conflicted because I know I have been so patient and loving and kind in the past about these things. I’ve told him i support him and there’s no pressure and I’ve generally tried to be lighthearted about trips away and sex but obviously have mentioned it intermittently as time has gone on. He’s a nice person but his reaction to my outburst seems to be to ignore why it happened and to have a reason to withdraw further rather than sitting down together and having a chat about how we can work on things. Have i messed this all up? I also feel desperately sad at the thought of starting again at this age. It scares me. I probably sound pathetic here but IRL I have a good job and I’m usually quite together and positive :(

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RampantIvy · 05/10/2021 18:01

Have i just been an idiot and destroyed things?

No. I think he did that all by himself. Don't beat yourself up over this.

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 05/10/2021 18:02

Why are you wasting time with this loser?

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TopCatsTopHat · 05/10/2021 18:03

@abersterol

I just feel so sad. I want to settle down and I was clear about that with him from the start. I’ve made an effort with him, supported him, listened to him about his day, been patient, understanding, loving.

I am angry with myself for snapping. I said all these things in a really nasty way. I just feel exhausted and now he’s distant and cold I am second guessing myself and thinking it’s all on me.

I thought a year off forty he would be keen to invest in a person he says he loves. He did say recently that he definitely wanted children but that was something he’d consider only when he was 43/44. I found that strange too, for someone who actively says a lot that that is what he wants…why wait five years?!

The best predictor of future choices /actions of anyone are the ones they've made in the past.
If you put money on it would you redirect him to follow through on having kids aged 44?
He is showing a clear strong pattern of making promises/ claiming he will do, or wants something... he can't deliver, there are loads of reasons why this might be, but working out this particular puzzle is costing you valuable years.
It's sad, not what you want but you need to cut your losses and go. If you stick with this 44 year old you will be cursing 34 year old you.
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optimistic40 · 05/10/2021 18:04

I have no idea what the problem could be with regards to sex. But I can offer you solidarity: I would no way be happy and would feel very confused and upset in that situation. As it has been a while, I think I would have to end it. It's not just the sex that is the problem. The communication on his side is really lacking.

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WhatMattersMost · 05/10/2021 18:04

It is never. Never. Going to work.

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1forAll74 · 05/10/2021 18:04

He obviously does not wan't what you desire. If you are always talking to him about arranging things, and asking him endless questions about a sex life etc, his way is to be quietly evasive about things, and probably hopes that you will keep quiet about things, as he now is huffy, after you showed some annoyance with him. Maybe not a good fit, being together.

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Shehasadiamondinthesky · 05/10/2021 18:05

I just don't understand why you are flogging a dead horse. End this relationship now and find someone who is really into you. He doesn't want sex. He can't communicate. Its all too weird.

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TopCatsTopHat · 05/10/2021 18:06

The writing is on the wall you just don't want to read it. Understandable but you're in danger of being the author of your own misery if you keep flogging this dead donkey.

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Joystir59 · 05/10/2021 18:06

He is either asexual or gay. Probably gay.

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CSJobseeker · 05/10/2021 18:06

Fuck that for a laugh. He's a workaholic who won't take a day off and doesn't want to shag you. Whatever the reasons* for it, this 'relationship' is not a goer.

(* He may have good reasons, who knows, but if he won't tell you it's pointless you trying to fix things on your own.)

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Opentooffers · 05/10/2021 18:07

You've been oh so patient, that you've put up with loads of crap and ended up a bit of a doormat.
You've not ruined it, he has. For a change you've stuck up for yourself and told some home truths, and it's about time. All you have said to him sounds like fair and reasonable assessment.
The problem is, given all that's wrong with him, why are you not the one breaking up with him?
You are wasting time you don't have, if you want a family. Don't waste any more, he'd make anyone miserable. Your problem is you have, and are still, clinging on to something that should of been dealt with months ago.
He's not for you, doesn't sound like he is for anyone. Why he's like this is not important. Sure you want to know, but with months and ample opportunity to tell you, he hasn't, so leave it. His reasons are going to be deeply imbedded in his psyche, and could take years of therapy to prompt an improvement in behaviour, and he's yet to even get to the accepting he has a problem that needs professional help. You don't want to be wasting your firtile years trying to get through to him, don't try and be a martyr. He doesn't really owe you back for your efforts, that's not how it works. Effort does not always guarantee results, so all you've put in, has and will come to nothing, cut your losses, move on while you have time.

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ohdeariforgot · 05/10/2021 18:07

You've been patient enough. Move on.

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Shoxfordian · 05/10/2021 18:08

If he can’t even have sex with you then you’re going to find it difficult to start a family

Move on

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apalledandshocked · 05/10/2021 18:09

@abersterol

I just feel so sad. I want to settle down and I was clear about that with him from the start. I’ve made an effort with him, supported him, listened to him about his day, been patient, understanding, loving.

I am angry with myself for snapping. I said all these things in a really nasty way. I just feel exhausted and now he’s distant and cold I am second guessing myself and thinking it’s all on me.

I thought a year off forty he would be keen to invest in a person he says he loves. He did say recently that he definitely wanted children but that was something he’d consider only when he was 43/44. I found that strange too, for someone who actively says a lot that that is what he wants…why wait five years?!

Everything about him is later, later later isnt it?
He says he will have sex but "later", he says he wants to go away but "not now", he wants children "but in a few years". My theory is that it will always be a few years from now - until you are 50 years old and in a childless, sexless relationship.
It could be that he is just really conflict avoidant, he could be gay, he could be a manipulative person who gets of on keeping you hanging on, he could have anxiety issues. But you will drive yourself mad trying to work out the reason - it doesn't really matter - your wants and goals aren't compatible with his (based on his actions not his words)
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2bazookas · 05/10/2021 18:09

What you said to him was your truth.

He has repeatedly refused/declined/failed to share whatever his truth is.

You have endlessly tried to support his issues

He makes no effort to support yours.

The above factors are NOT how adult, consensual, mutually caring and sharing relationships work. It's just not a solid foundation to build a partnership on. I think you know you really want to have an equal partner for a life of fun with full intercourse and open feelings and shared interests and travel. The whole package.

He's not up for any of that but he isn't even honest enough to tell you so. He's not 40 yet; imagine how needy and weary sexless and dull he'll be at 50 and 60 . You're far too young to settle for his pipe and slippers life.

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godmum56 · 05/10/2021 18:10

me, I think you wasted a year

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essentialannie · 05/10/2021 18:11

He sounds like a classic asexual man.

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picklemewalnuts · 05/10/2021 18:11

He's got hyper focus and a very set idea of how things should be. He thinks this is 'the full deal', doesn't realise he is short changing you. Basically he's playing at it, and doesn't realise he's missed half the steps. He's going through the motions of what he thinks a relationship is, and doesn't understand the rest of it. He may dislike the loss of control that comes with PIV.

Is he quite a controlled person? DH hates the bit of sex I love, where it gets fast and exciting and driven. He wants everything to happen in a controlled, stately way. He's disappointed if we get carried away. Sad

I missed the part where his brother and dad are mentioned. Did you say that?

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LorenzoVonMatterhorn · 05/10/2021 18:12

Jesus, op. Stop wasting your time on the man. And stop harassing someone for sex who doesnt want to have sex with you. He isnt interested in an adult relationship with you. walk away before you waste another year.

There is NO POINT talking to him because his actions are SHOWING you he just isnt
Interested.

Then get some therapy to find out why you actually want a relationship with him.

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Whydidimarryhim · 05/10/2021 18:13

op isn’t listening to anyone here.,
She will continue to waste her life and child bearing years with someone who has many many issues.
Don’t waste your time.

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thelastgoldeneagle · 05/10/2021 18:15

He said he wants to settle down and have a family, does he? Yet he won't have sex with you and he doesn't seem that keen on spending time with you.

You absolutely haven't ruined this. His odd behaviour has. Whatever his reasons for not wanting sex, they ain't gonna change - especially if he can't even talk about it!!

Throw this one back. You can do better!

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Aphrodite31 · 05/10/2021 18:15

Might he be on the spectrum? I'm not being facetious. Combined with the other aspects of his behaviour with work etc. He possibly finds something so uncomfortable about some perhaps psychological aspect of a sexual relationship that he's just got used to not going there, and can't make it back out of that self-imposed exile.

I feel v sorry for both of you. Would he entertain counselling?

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CrazyCatLazy · 05/10/2021 18:19

As somebody with a partner who has suffered sexual abuse, this rings so many bells to me. Has he got past trauma?

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aSofaNearYou · 05/10/2021 18:24

@abersterol

I just feel so sad. I want to settle down and I was clear about that with him from the start. I’ve made an effort with him, supported him, listened to him about his day, been patient, understanding, loving.

I am angry with myself for snapping. I said all these things in a really nasty way. I just feel exhausted and now he’s distant and cold I am second guessing myself and thinking it’s all on me.

I thought a year off forty he would be keen to invest in a person he says he loves. He did say recently that he definitely wanted children but that was something he’d consider only when he was 43/44. I found that strange too, for someone who actively says a lot that that is what he wants…why wait five years?!

He's quite likely thinking by the time he's 43/44, you'll be passed your fertile window and it will be too late. And if he isn't thinking that, you should be.

Ignore the sex issues for a moment. You need to ask yourself whether being with this guy, or having kids one day, is more important to you. If you do definitely want kids, you need to tell him you cannot put it off and you cannot wait until he is 44. It will be getting too late.
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Haffiana · 05/10/2021 18:25

Didn't you post about him before? Avoiding sex, and I remember the interview thing. You said that he was ASD?

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