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Argument with husband

230 replies

Zenab12 · 08/09/2021 17:11

So last night me and my husband got into an argument, it's sort of an argument that's been going on for a while but every so often it becomes quite a big argument. Yesterday it was our daughters birthday and after school we took her to the cinema ( my daughter told us 3 weeks ago that on her birthday she wanted to go to the cinema and McDonald's, my husband has known about this for weeks and still decided to come home late from work ( he's self. Employed and his own boss) I called him to see where he was as it was half an hour before the movie we wanted to see was due to start and just kept saying " we will see" and at that point I got quite upset about this as both the kids were already to go and I wasn't prepared to let my daughter down ( as my husband works 5 days a week he's hardly ever home and always says he will do things with us which don't happen) he came home and when he told our daughter it was to late to go he would try and take her somewhere else she started crying and he lost it at me telling me that I should control "my" children and make them understand if you can't do something you can't do something. I replied to this " it's her birthday, she told you weeks ago this is what she wanted us to do, and now your blaming me because your probably feeling bad about letting her down again" he walked off in a strop. Later that night he was trying to talk to our daughter and she got upset and pushed her away and he shouted at her and made her cry calling her stupid. I told him this needs to stop that he needs to stop upsetting us like this expecially the children and name calling. He told me that I should teach my kids " to respect their father" and that if it wasn't for "him" we would see wha kind of life we would have had.

After a rather horrible end to her birthday I put the kids to bed and went in to tell him that if he talks to me or the kids like that again he should just go, this is a recurring things for years now. Every day when he comes home from work he is always snapping at us, name calling, expecially me apparently I am " good for nothing" and have an " English brain" ( he's Pakistani) an I got fed up with him and lost it, I told him that if his daughter doesn't respect him it's nothing to do with me ( as he insists I am brainwashing them against him which is absolutely not true I've never spoke bad about him infront of them and I never would) I told him it's down to him if they don't respect him bevause the way he treats them. I also told him that I was fed up of him making me cry and feel sad all the time, that even when we sleep together I get fed up and don't want anything bevause I just remember 5he names hes called me and he only ever treats me nice when we sleep together. He told me he doesn't want to be with me anymore and that me and the kids should go and have a happy life and see how far we get without him. I tried telling him I didn't mean it in that way and that I just want things to change, work life balance, him not being On the phone all the time, him coming home and not making someone cry because he's had a stressful day. He wouldn't let me touch him and I started crying and he punched me in the face and slapped me on my hands, I have a bruise on my face now. I've tried telling him I'm sorry and that I didn't mean it how he thinks, he's gone to work today and I've tried calling him to say sorry and he is just ignoring my calls and won't answer me. Was Ibu with what I said to him? Was it to harsh? I keep trying to think what I've said that's really wrong to justify him hurting me like that but alls I've basically said is tha he needs to sort himself and his behaviour out.

OP posts:
GeorgiaMcGraw · 08/09/2021 19:39

@op Normal men manage to work, provide for their family, and NOT beat up their wives or belittle and ignore their children. He doesn't love you, I'm not even sure he loves your daughter. He wants you all to worship him while he treats you like crap. He is not upholding his side of the deal. A man should be able to work and also not be a cruel, violent bastard. You need to go to the police. Call Women's Aid. Get in touch with your family if you can. You need to get away from him or he will get worse. How many more punches before he takes a knife to you? Or hits you too hard one day and gives you brain damage. Get out while you can.

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 08/09/2021 19:40

Please listen to what everyone is saying. He is dangerous. He is abusive. He could escalate and seriously hurt or kill you and your children. His behaviour is affecting your children. Do you want them to grow up thinking this is a healthy relationship to aspire to? Or do you want them to respect their mother for keeping them safe and leaving and setting up on her own. You might have less materially but you will be safe and in control of your own life. Please ring women's aid. Be brave and leave. Goodluck.

Tistheseason17 · 08/09/2021 19:41

Please get help from Women's Aid, OP.
You are not in a healthy loving relationship- please think of your children - they will see his behaviour as what they deserve,too , and normalise it.

It is NOT a normal relationship if he's only nice when having sex. And violent, controlling behaviour is unacceptable.

You really will be better off as a family unit without him.

me4real · 08/09/2021 19:42

Wow OP, he is violent to you (and your daughter- pushing her.)

he punched me in the face and slapped me on my hands, I have a bruise on my face now. I've tried telling him I'm sorry

Why should you apologize to him? He's the one that was physically violent- not that him saying sorry would be enough.

You need to leave ASAP @Zenab12 xxx

flibberyjibbery8 · 08/09/2021 19:42

If this was your daughter in the same situation, what would you tell her?

HeartsAndClubs · 08/09/2021 19:46

He told me he doesn't want to be with me anymore and that me and the kids should go and have a happy life and see how far we get without him.

Excellent. Take him at his word. He’s given you an out, so take the kids and run.

Newbabynewhouse · 08/09/2021 19:46

Is this an actual joke? .. you are asking us for advice on what action to take.. I'm sorry you're a fool.....

You need to leaveHmm

Musicmama1030 · 08/09/2021 19:47

You need to leave him. His violence will only get worse... Get some help!

Newbabynewhouse · 08/09/2021 19:47

Sorry that was actually really harsh of me... I was so angry on your behalf.... please don't let him abuse you...

upaladderagain · 08/09/2021 19:53

Your husband is a criminal, nothing more, nothing less.
If he punched a random person in the street he would be arrested, charged with assault/abh, tried and sentenced.
TELL THE POLICE!

Yuppie20 · 08/09/2021 19:54

You need to right now make a decision, a life changing decision to protect your children. Even if he never lays a hand on them, he can still abuse them, crush their spirit like he has yours, degrade them and make them feel the way you do. Does it really matter if they maybe grow up for a few years without all the latest toys, nice house etc while you get yourself on your feet and working? Is it not better for them to grow up feeling safe and valued and loved rather in a house walking on egg shells in case daddy looses his temperature again?
You are SOOOO YOUNG! You have so much life left in front of you, don't waste another second of it. He has conditioned you to believe you can't do better, that your nothing without him which think about it, he won't let you better yourself, he doesn't want you to feel self worth- your nothing with him.
Think about your children. They should always come first.

BronwenFrideswide · 08/09/2021 19:54

I've only been trying to call him and apologise because I love him and I've been trying for so long to fix things and try to understand, it's not the first time he has hit me and I've told him that he has anger issues that he needs to talk to someone about but he just doesn't listen to me. I love him and that's the problem.

What do you find to love about someone who treats you and your children so appallingly?

The other issue why I've stayed for so long is because when I got married to him I left everything for him, I'm still only 23.when I got married I left my education, family everything. I've wanted to work after having both my kids but he's never let me work and never wanted me to either and it upsets me so much the way he talks saying " I've given you everything you and the kids will realise one day" when I've tried and asked him to let me work or go back and finish my education. The reason I've not left is because Im scared about giving the kids less he does provide everything for us financially and I'm scared to be on my own because I know i have nothing to give them because of my situation and it's terrifing me not being able to give them the life that they deserve.

I think this is the real issue, you gave up everything to be with him and are finding it difficult to admit you were wrong.

I know they don't deserve this and when they go to sleep I go in and look at them and cry and feel guilty because they really are angels, my daughter is the most kindest, smartest, beautiful little girl I've ever seen in my life and it breaks my heart when he treats her the same way as he treats me.

It's clearly not breaking your heart enough otherwise you wouldn't subject her to this and be desperately apologising to your husband so he'll continue doing as he does.

Extraslice · 08/09/2021 19:57

You say you love him but I am sure you love your children more. Please get them away from this abusive man.

Mumadof3 · 08/09/2021 19:58

Oh wow I dont normally comment but you need to leave him. Better yet call the police and get a restraining order this is so dangerous for you and your children. This is no man hun trust me he sounds vile and hes damaging your kids. He doesnt love you and I guarantee this behaviour is because you suggested he should leave, he doesn't want that so he is turning it back around on you hes prob a narasassist and gaslights you if you Google it I guarantee that's what hes doing. If you have a bruise then you also have proof that hes abused you. I would be calling the police or if hes home with you leave with your children and go to the police station. This really isnt oka and he could serious hurt you one day or your kids, women die every day at the hands of men like this and it really doesnt ever get better. I'm really sorry you are going threw this I send you all the love and courage in the world but you are in an abusive relationship this isnt love.

Crystalvas · 08/09/2021 19:59

OP you were perfectly reasonable with him. Why the hell are you bring sorry? Hes the one that ruined your childs birthday hes the one who should apologise.

Weonlyhavealoanofit · 08/09/2021 20:02

What do you want? What you want is to have a loving supportive husband who is a good role model and father. It’s not asking too much, in fact it’s something that should be demanded of all husbands, wives and parents: respect, kindness, and sympathy. What you have is an emotionally abusive, violent husband and an emotionally abusive parent. I can only imagine the pain you are going through. Your husband has told you what he wants: he wants your silence, your subjugation and your consent to emotionally abuse the children. He wants you to ‘shut it’. He wants the children to ‘shut it’ and he isn’t going to change. You need to ensure that evidence of his recent violence is photographed and recorded, even if you feel reluctant to share things with others, for your own sake you need to. I hope you can take comfort in remembering that you have rights and remedies under the Law to deal with this. Women in Pakistan don’t have that privilege. Please try and focus on the day to day realities of your marriage. Wishful thinking and pleading to his better nature, is not going to solve this. Your husband has crossed a line and very sadly the burden falls on you to deal with it. He won’t deal with his rotten bullying. He likes being a bully. You and your children deserve better. I hope this advice helps.

Mumadof3 · 08/09/2021 20:02

You would get support, do you live in the UK? And even if you dont I'm sure most other countrys help women in your situation. Leave get help from the police and council and go to a place of safety. How would you feel if one day his anger is so bad that he hurts one of your children. You would have to claim benefits but they would help you to get back on your feet and you could work and provide for them

Thebookswereherfriends · 08/09/2021 20:03

Do you think your children want lots of nice things or a father who keeps his promises and treats their mother and them as if they are important and precious? Your husband is abusing you. He also completely let his daughter down on her birthday - she will remember this birthday over many other nice ones. Please stop thinking this is something you can fix. You need to find some self respect and leave him, so that you and your children can live without fear.

BronwenFrideswide · 08/09/2021 20:05

Op, your husband won't ever change, he will never agree to you working or finishing your education, he has you were he wants you totally under his control.

Please find your inner courage and divorce him, don't subject yourself or your children to his violence and control any longer.

Thatsplentyjack · 08/09/2021 20:12

You say you left your family. Where did you go with him? Do you live in the UK? I have a feeling you don't.
I actually doubt the OP is coming back.

Glumgal · 08/09/2021 20:14

You need to accept that no matter how much you think you love him and how much you might want him to change, he never will.

The sad fact is that the man you want to be married to does not exist. This will never get any better and you need to leave.

You will survive without his income. Peace of mind and stability for your daughter is way more important than any standard of living that he can provide you with. There are benefits you can claim and he will be required to pay maintenance.

Please get out now for the sake of your children. Do you really want your daughter to grow up thinking this is normal?

ThreeLocusts · 08/09/2021 20:18

I understand why you are afraid for livelihood reasons and also that it is hard to leave behind what probably started as an intense and loving relationship, since you left your family to be with him. But people change, and he has changed into an utter shit.

My mother left much later than she should have, waiting for my father to turn back into the man she thought she had married. Didn't happen. Tight finances are vastly preferable to what you live with now. Please make a plan to leave ASAP.

Mumadof3 · 08/09/2021 20:19

I've got to point out aswell hun that if you stay with him its could make you look bad in the long run. If social services was to tell you to leave him or they are taking your kids would you then leave ? Because I tell you now if they knew that is exactly what they would be saying. I mean if your kids are exposed to all his and he is being abusive to them aswell then the schools will pick on up it or tell could tell and they will report it. Honestly I really hope you leave. I've been in an abusive relationship I know it's hard to end the relationship I really do but it's not healthy. It took me a year or being out of it to see it for what it was. Your kids need you to be strong and fight for them and yourself. The police would take you to a safe place far away maybe even another city. Pass this to the professionals and let then deal with this sickening horrid awful devil or a man. I'm sorry but that's what he is

Colourmeclear · 08/09/2021 20:20

Love between partners is not unconditional. It's also something we should question, why do I love this person? Are they deserving of my love? Do they show they love me through action, words and thought?

We are often taught that love means having unlimited tolerance and turning a blind eye. It's not. Loving someone does not mean they are good for you, does not mean you should be together or that they love you back. You can love someone and leave them. Love isn't enough if you don't have compassion, respect, empathy, generosity, understanding and trust.

Protecting your children starts with you protecting yourself.

Haudyourwheesht · 08/09/2021 20:21

How would you feel in the future if your daughter was with a man who hit her, on several occasions?