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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/09/2021 14:59

Well I see I'm too late to this party as you've already decided but good for you - you've made, IMO and IME, the right decision.

If you have those reservations and slight resentment now, it's already tarnished the relationship so I don't honestly see any point in carrying on.

Short and sweet break up - sorry, I just don't think this is going to work out between us - and let him go.

IntermittentParps · 02/09/2021 15:03

He earns a fair bit less than you and that's quite a bit to spend on food, so he's not U in that sense.
But I think he could be an adult and initiate a conversation about money and make clear that he's on the kind of budget that doesn't always allow that much for takeaways.

I'd be more concerned by him resisting when you ask him to leave the house.

momtoboys · 02/09/2021 15:05

Definitely not investing anymore time on this one. IMO

dottydodah · 02/09/2021 15:08

I also wonder about every single Saturday . Unless his brother is about 10 ,how on earth does he need every single Saturday with him FFS! I think he may well have a child /RL hes not letting on about . If you had a bad break up a few years ago ,it is tempting to be on the rebound and settle for someone who isnt suitable . He seems to be counting every penny which would equate to someone having to pay maintenance ,unless hes just mean of course !

CrumpetStrumpet · 02/09/2021 15:11

Glad to hear you're binning the tight wad.

Next time you go on a first date make sure the man pays. If he doesn't want to then make it the last date. Sorry but a guy should want to impress a woman he's wooing. You split the bill with a mate, not a date.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 15:13

@altmember lots of good points there.
I wouldn’t expect him to dip into savings for me, no chance. I don’t need that, don’t want that. If he’s got to dip into savings to do something, we can do something that doesn’t cost anything. It’s only food, at the end of the day.
I think it’s a good thing he’s able to save, but not when it’s at my expense. I’m friends with people who ARE saving, and they are open about it, and we do things that don’t cost money. Or we do it on cheaper days ( ie we’ll go the cinema when it’s a Tuesday so it’s 2 for 1, etc). I’ve been in that position, there’s no shame in it, I’d hate to make anyone feel bad because their priorities are getting on the housing ladder or paying off debts or anything like that.

I haven’t offered to pay for his fuel, you’re right - but I have offered to meet him halfway on multiple occasions. He says he enjoys driving and doesn’t mind, and the halfway point is the middle of birmingham and actually it takes him just as long to get there as it does to get to mine from the motorway. If he got his own place and was in a position to accommodate, I’d happily go over there and see him or stay with him. I do enjoy spending time with him. Maybe it’s just different approaches - the last time I got invited over to a guys place, he said he’d cook and I took a bottle of wine. I didn’t think of his logic maybe being that he’s paying fuel though. In the past I’ve suggested going out for the evening and he’s said ‘I’d rather just come over and relax with you to be honest’ so it doesn’t feel as though he’s coming over under duress.

I haven’t invited him out for my birthday because it’s a Saturday, to be honest! The last time I broached the Saturday thing was maybe last week, when I said that it makes things difficult to plan much with him… he said he’d see what he could do (again) but he’s said it before and nothings happened, so I think it’s just lip service really.
You’re right about compartmentalising things - I don’t want to make a man my whole world at this point, and I don’t want to drop my mates and plans to spend all my time with him. I wouldn’t expect him to cancel specific plans but even if he said ‘ok I’ve told my brother that once a month, I’m unavailable so I can spend that with you’ would have gone a long way. I ended up isolating myself from almost everyone during my last relationship and I don’t want to get to that point again so I want to cherish time with my friends and family.

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Rozziie · 02/09/2021 15:16

@IntermittentParps

He earns a fair bit less than you and that's quite a bit to spend on food, so he's not U in that sense. But I think he could be an adult and initiate a conversation about money and make clear that he's on the kind of budget that doesn't always allow that much for takeaways.

I'd be more concerned by him resisting when you ask him to leave the house.

Yeah, I briefly dated someone who would stall when I asked him to leave. So incredibly gross and transparent. He also tried the 'pretending to fall asleep' thing and another time 'oh I can't find my keys'.

Why do these men think women will be attracted by this kind of behaviour? Confused it's so entitled and boundary pushing!

Dippydinosaurus · 02/09/2021 15:17

He lives an hour away and is spending money just getting to you and he hasn't asked you to contribute. So I'd expect to pay more for food when he was here to balance it out (but not every time).

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 15:20

@CrumpetStrumpet

Glad to hear you're binning the tight wad.

Next time you go on a first date make sure the man pays. If he doesn't want to then make it the last date. Sorry but a guy should want to impress a woman he's wooing. You split the bill with a mate, not a date.

I know a lot of people have this logic but I don’t agree with it for me personally. It’s nice for a man to offer to pay, but I’m happy to split it. Just like I shouldn’t have to pay for the pleasure of his company, I don’t feel he should have to pay for mine. I’ll never understand why just having a penis means he has to pay out. If I go on a date and I’m not feeling it, and they insist on paying, it creates an uncomfortable dynamic sometimes like I owe them something. Genuinely didn’t think any less of him for suggesting we split the bill, same as I wouldn’t if he suggested it now.
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Phobiaphobic · 02/09/2021 15:21

Glad you're going to dump him. If a guy is pushing your boundaries at this stage - refusing to leave, pushing for sex when you've already said it's not on - then you can pretty much guarantee he'll be trampling all over them further down the line. He sounds immature and entitled.

HateJudgmentalPeople · 02/09/2021 15:23

OP when you don’t want to see a man again then you insist on splitting the bill, if you like him you say “I’ll pay next time”, I don’t believe men should always pay either but it’s nice when a man takes care of it for you.Grin

DameFanny · 02/09/2021 15:27

@IntermittentParps

He earns a fair bit less than you and that's quite a bit to spend on food, so he's not U in that sense. But I think he could be an adult and initiate a conversation about money and make clear that he's on the kind of budget that doesn't always allow that much for takeaways.

I'd be more concerned by him resisting when you ask him to leave the house.

It's a moot point in this scenario anyway, but please don't give a pass to someone not paying their way when they don't earn as much WHEN IT'S THE LOWER EARNER CONSTANTLY PUSHING FOR THE MONEY TO BE SPENT. The OP offered to cook, offered to do cheaper things. The CL kept asking for meals out and crazy-expensive take out orders.
aloris · 02/09/2021 15:33

I think "losing" his card is not good, but as someone else pointed out, making dinner at your place might be low cost for you but not for him, since he has to pay for transport to and from your place.

theDudesmummy · 02/09/2021 15:34

Have not read it all but a 30-year old man who spends every Saturday with his brother, unless there is something special about it like that he is his brother's carer, or they are running a business together and have to work on Saturdays, is just not that into you or the relationship, whatever the other factors. Glad you are binning.

Alcemeg · 02/09/2021 15:38

Ugh, this really reminds me of the first relationship I had after my divorce. The guy literally never put his hand in his pocket if he could possibly help it, although he had more disposable income than I did. That tightness and manipulativeness go hand in hand, weirdly, and we got into all sorts of nonsense. Like one time, he really wanted to eat out, and I said I couldn't afford it, and he absolutely insisted, saying he'd treat me. Then he insisted on us having starters and a bottle of wine. It all added up. Then when it came to pay, he left the restaurant immediately, leaving me to settle up. I was absolutely gutted and just didn't know what to say afterwards. All week, I'd rehearse ways I'd challenge him about this sort of thing, but if I ever dared raise it as an issue he got very angry denying it and resented me "calling him a worthless piece of shit" etc when actually I was being frantically polite!

Needless to say I have grown up a bit nowadays. But he lasted 6 years!!!!!!!!!!!

BrisbaneandGone · 02/09/2021 15:42

@aloris

I think "losing" his card is not good, but as someone else pointed out, making dinner at your place might be low cost for you but not for him, since he has to pay for transport to and from your place.
But OP runs a house, he lives with his parents and he'll have more disposable income most likely. OP has more than paid her way and it's not on that he expects to pay for takeaways where he's ordered lots more expensive stuff
dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 15:42

@aloris

I think "losing" his card is not good, but as someone else pointed out, making dinner at your place might be low cost for you but not for him, since he has to pay for transport to and from your place.
Yes I see your point - which is why I’m happy to meet in the middle (or would go to him if that were an option). I’ve bought in drinks he likes that I don’t usually have, and stuff like that. I wouldn’t (and obviously haven’t) insist on it being 50/50 on that basis but where do you draw the line? Even if I got two takeaways to his one, it wouldn’t seem so mean spirited.

Just to add, it’s not like ALL we do is eat takeaways when he comes over. We’ll go for walks with the dog or watch films, etc. I have tried to encourage us away from justeat! I would much rather we did more ‘stuff’ but the distance coupled with his saturday plans means it’s not always that easy.

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Calmdown14 · 02/09/2021 15:46

Don't mention money, especially not with your birthday looming.
Make sure you do it before then.
He'll swear he's spent so much on a great present because he'll never have to prove it, but then you'll feel guilty.
It's not really about money. You just aren't on the same page in life and this is where you've first noticed it

RedToothBrush · 02/09/2021 15:49

If you have to ask the question you know there is a problem and you aren't happy with the situation.

Don't try and dream up excuses for him. Move on and find someone who doesn't give you these kind of concerns.

halfhope · 02/09/2021 15:50

I think I'd just say it's not working for you and not mention the money. You've worked out the pattern and he'll just get defensive and awkward. Extract yourself as easily and quickly as you can.

I hope you meet someone who's really nice and right for you in the future.

Sunshineandflipflops · 02/09/2021 15:51

Wow - I love my brother and we have both gone through separation/divorce but I wouldn't want to spend every saturday all day with him!

I also dated a guy when new to OLD who seemed nice enough, no massive spark but not a serial killer so dated him for a few weeks but he only ever seemed to want to do things that he had a voucher or deal for. He earned good money too so it wasn't because he couldn't afford it (I also always offered and expected to pay my way).

Anyway, it got to the point where we'd both said there was a restaurant we'd like to go to - a tepanyaki one,so as much about the experience as the food itself - so I booked it, was looking forward to it and then he asked me if i would cancel as he had found an offer somewhere else (a bog standard hotel) for a 3 course meal.

So we went there, the food choice and quality was crap and not the evening I had wanted at all.

For some reason I continued to date him until he announced one evening (after he had driven 30 mins to my house and i had spent a long time buying, preparing and cooking a nice meal for us) that he thought "the spark had gone"!

He left (almost in tears I might add), while I just sat there in my living room in shock for ages. What a bloody weirdo. I think I was fooled by him paying for our first date meal (I did offer to pay half).

So after that,I would be very wary of tightness. Not of someone not having loads of money (although as a working adult I do want a certain level of lifestyle that includes the odd meal out, etc), but being tight with what they do have.

DishingOutDone · 02/09/2021 15:53

Try and fix him up with someone like the posters trying to excuse him with "yeah but you should make it much easier for him to lodge his cock with you you meanie". Etc.

Wheresthebeach · 02/09/2021 15:56

Just chiming in that the issue is boundaries. He's pushing them, and he knows it. The sex pest and fake sleeping is awful on it's own.

I'd keep it simple 'this isn't working for me' with no reasons.

Alcemeg · 02/09/2021 15:57

@dizzyupthegirl86 I think "mean spirited" is the key here.

I wouldn't bother trying to explain it to him, it's just his nature unfortunately.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 15:58

So guess who’s just found his card…..?

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