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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

OP posts:
MalagaNights · 02/09/2021 14:13

Don't mention the money.

Makes you sound tight.
He's not going to learn from you if you mention it he's just going to dismiss you as tight and weird.

Just say you don't think it's going to work and wish him well.

GoodnightGrandma · 02/09/2021 14:14

I wouldn’t give a reason as it just gives him a chance to say he’ll change etc.
Just end it.

PickAChew · 02/09/2021 14:19

Don't mention the money. It's not working for you and yiu don't feel that you're compatible with each other. That's all you need to say.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 14:21

@thelegohooverer thanks for that.

‘And who you are is someone who can’t tolerate the kind of person he is. That could be a criticism of you but it really isn’t anything more than a statement of fact. There are other people in the world who don’t mind a bit of flakiness (I know because I married one), so let him go and find one.’

This is good to read. I know what you mean, it does read as critical initially! But to the right person, his pro’s would outweigh the cons. I’m entitled not to like the way he is, just as he’s entitled to be that way.

I enjoy treating the people I love, but I don’t enjoy being taken advantage of. And that’s ultimately how it feels.
I was leaning towards telling him the reasons why I didn’t want to continue, because it seemed right to be honest. But in hindsight after reading these replies…. A) it’s not going to make any difference to me, and b) he may well be aware of what he’s doing.

Another thought I just had - if this is a pattern he has, there’s no way someone in his past won’t have mentioned it.
He is nice in a lot of ways, but he’s not nice enough that I’m willing to pay for the honour of him spending time with me.

OP posts:
sadie9 · 02/09/2021 14:26

Have you seen his name printed anywhere? Is there another reason for not using cards in front of you.
Its unusual not to be on social media anywhere if you are young, free and single aged 30.

AuntLydiasNewHairdo · 02/09/2021 14:28

How did you meet him OP? You mention initially texting. If you met via OLD it seems unusual that he doesnt have SM.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/09/2021 14:29

Do you want to be honest but not brutal? You are looking for someone, who is more available and wants to treat you like an equal both financially and in other ways. It seems you both want different things so it is time to go your separate ways.

SpringlikeBunk · 02/09/2021 14:31

Definitely wouldn't mention the money - his behaviour seems calculated (if he was forgetful, surely the forgetting would end up working in your favour some of the time?).

Just something really vague he can't argue with like "feelingz". And repeat and don't discuss/engage/be drawn in (you could even block or ignore if he tries to argue).

But I think once he knows you're onto him and won't back down on your boundaries he'll retreat into the cocklodger forest.

HollowTalk · 02/09/2021 14:33

Ok so if you don't mention money as the reason for the breakup, at least get that money back off him before you dump him!

AlrightThereSkippy · 02/09/2021 14:33

Another vote for don't mention the money.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 14:33

It was online dating - I don’t think it’s THAT unusual not to use social media, a lot of my friends don’t these days. I appreciate that it might seem a red flag to some, but it’s not a huge worry for me.

I’ve seen his bank card, he genuinely did leave it at mine once. It had fallen down the sofa so neither of us saw it initially. I’ve also seen bits of his work stuff with his name, and his work pass. I’m not hugely concerned that he’s some sort of catfish - because ultimately it doesn’t make a difference at this point, his actions have made my mind up.

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 02/09/2021 14:36

"Hi Knob, here are my bank details so you can transfer the £45 from Friday night. So glad you found your bank card Grin"

StayWithMe21 · 02/09/2021 14:37

The Saturday thing would weird me out. And I couldn't be with someone who wasn't fully available.

If he's staying with his Mum then surely he should have some cash to burn.. maybe he pays some rent but that still leaves quite a bit left over.

I think he's got too little going for him. Just stop it all now. I found reading the thread made me feel icky. The whole money thing. Yuck.

Malaganights upabove has it right. This is hardwork and unavailable and a penny pinching... and somewhat boring. Why settle for dull and boring when you could have something amazing???

Leibham · 02/09/2021 14:39

Red flags: tricking you into paying on your birthday, trying to force his way into making you cave in over staying the night.

But you already know this…

twelvefiftynine · 02/09/2021 14:40

The whole day and evening on a Saturday with his brother? Yeah right.

SaminSeptember · 02/09/2021 14:45

Has he got a partner and maybe a joint account? That would explain it, or he's just tight. Either way get rid. A relationship which is just staying in getting takeaways isn't great is it, he could plan a couple of dates, doesn't have to cost money. Especially when it's takeaways you are paying for. Even worse on your birthday! You can definitely do better.

Plumtree391 · 02/09/2021 14:46

@twelvefiftynine

The whole day and evening on a Saturday with his brother? Yeah right.
I wondered about that, especially as it is virtually every Saturday. However the op sounds as though she is independent of this chap so maybe not a problem. If she felt serious about him, she would surely have gone to his house, met parents and brother, at least once.
pinkyredrose · 02/09/2021 14:49

I'd be tempted to search social media with his surname, see if there's a secret family that thinks he works away or something.

Anyway just tell him he's a twat and you can do better.

Bollindger · 02/09/2021 14:49

Before you break up with him, send him your account, and say so he can pay for the take away, as you understand about him losing his card, but you would like the money back.
See what he does, because that will show you who he is,

Albgo · 02/09/2021 14:50

@Aquamarine1029

The "falling asleep" and refusing to move would have had him out my door and never coming back tbh.

I agree. The cheek of him. Who the fuck does he think he is? Raise your standards, op.

This with bells on.

The money thing makes him a dick.

The trying to stay over by stealth is creepy and unpleasant.

Albgo · 02/09/2021 14:52

@judgejudyrocks

Why on earth isn't he allowed to stay over? That alone sounds juvenile.
It's juvenile that she's not ready for a man to stay at hers?? Wtf planet are you on. If she's not ready for that step, then she's not ready - and he has no respect for that.
altmember · 02/09/2021 14:52

To the PPs saying 'he's got 14k in saving so he should be spending more on you', that isn't the point is it. The reason he's amassed the savings is because he's trying not to spend. That's surely preferable to the reason being because he's in loads of debt and using his money to service repayments on that.

The point is that he needs to be open about his budgeting and not suggest/accept things that he's not willing to pay his share for. It does sound more like he's got a tight arse/selfish personality than a true lack of money. Me and my partner are usually falling over each other to make sure we've paid our share when we do things together. It's definitely nice to be with someone who isn't trying to shirk their share.

One thing to bear in mind is that he is doing all the travelling - he's incurring travel costs as well as the time and inconvenience burden. Appreciate that the current arrangements currently suit you both, but it's not like you're offering to pay half the travel costs (or him asking you for them). Neither of which would be expected, but maybe he sees it as he's paying for petrol, and you're paying for take aways. It's all about communication though - if that's his thinking then he should be discussing it with you, and making sure you're both happy with where you stand.

If/when things are different, and he's better able to accommodate you at his place, will you be willing to split the travelling and go to his half half the time? Or will it still be more convenient for you if he still comes to you every time?

It might say a lot that you're going out for your birthday meal with your friends and not doing it with your bf, or him coming along too. Is that because you've not invited him or because he's declined to go?

I guess a response to him asking to stay over when he's not been invited, would be to say 'ok, but you'll have to stay on the sofa/spare bed because I need a good nights sleep'. My current partner never explicitly invites me to come over/stay over, so it always comes down to me to tell her when I can, and ask if she'd like me to. But at the same time I'm always conscious that I'm inviting myself so it's fine if she declines (rare thankfully).

The saturday thing with his brother is a bit rigid/weird given your distance relationship - it sounds like that's really messing with you spending quality weekends together. Can understand him not wanting to make his brother feel like he's being dumped in preference for a new relationship initially. But at some point that should probably change. Although I think that paired up with you doing your own thing on your birthday suggests that you're both compartmentalising the relationship to some extent, and trying to fit it around your own independent social lives? Fine if that's what you both want, but you do need to discuss expectations and be on the same page with things like that.

Albgo · 02/09/2021 14:53

@DrMorbius

£23k per year at 30 years old!! !!!! Bin him.
That's an unpleasant attitude.
dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 14:54

@Plumtree391 I’ve only been seeing him a couple of months. I’ve not met his family or friends, he’s not met any of mine! It’s a bit soon to be saying whether I ‘feel serious’ about him!
I don’t need to see him every Saturday, but if I’d known in the beginning that Saturdays were out completely, I’d have been a bit more wary. I like going away for the weekend and seeing new cities and the theatre and stuff like that - all stuff that’s tricky if Saturdays are out.

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annacondom · 02/09/2021 14:55

He is saving up, fair enough. But he shouldn't then be happy to have you pay all the time/engineer it so you do, rather than doing something cheaper. Hello Mummy!

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