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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

OP posts:
Rainbowshine · 02/09/2021 16:04

Another vote that it’s the lack of respect for your clearly stated boundaries that is the massive red flag here. That’s about the staying over and sex, and the comment you made about how him explaining things makes it sound reasonable - look up gaslighting and manipulation.

The money is an issue too, but the whole combination of things builds an unattractive picture. I wouldn’t mention money when breaking up, just say that you’re not compatible or something general or even the distance and availability and wish him well.

krustykittens · 02/09/2021 16:07

He's cheap and doesn't respect your boundaries. I would get rid.

DishingOutDone · 02/09/2021 16:09

Tell us about the card!!

bigbaggyeyes · 02/09/2021 16:10

I hope after he said he's found his card you said 'that's great news hunny, you can transfer the money for my birthday treat over today too'

Shamsa03 · 02/09/2021 16:16

I know what you mean OP this gives me the ick. Get rid.

Beautiful3 · 02/09/2021 16:18

He lied so he didn't have to pay. He still hasn't transferred his half to you. He is mean and tight. This is not a good relationship at all. If you still when to stay with him, then end the takeaways. Take turns buying and cooking dinner. When it's his turn send him to the shop to pick up what he's cooking, even if it's pasta, sauce and bag of lettuce. You don't want a miserly man child.

HollowTalk · 02/09/2021 16:21

@dizzyupthegirl86

So guess who’s just found his card…..?
But he wouldn't need his card to transfer money into your account. Why didn't you ask him to do it there and then?
Anjo2011 · 02/09/2021 16:21

I wouldn’t like it if someone constantly bought up the price/cost of things but was happy to not contribute very much or sponge off me. That’s a real turn off. Fair enough he might not have much cash to spare, but he needs to be honest and stop letting you pay as a forever thing. That would grate on me tbh

Shamsa03 · 02/09/2021 16:26

Think the lack of panic that he'd lost his card is a bit of a give away he lied.
Tight arse - red flag
Him not going home when you asked him to, big huge red flag.

You don't feel anything and to be honest his personality is a big turn off and on top of that he's a liar and sounds creepy.
Get rid, you owe him nothing.

Guiltypleasures001 · 02/09/2021 16:32

Ask him for the money transfer then dump him a few hrs later on

Don't tell him why so he can twist shit, just block him after

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 16:35

I actually found it - so doesn’t look like he lied. I’ve got to be honest and say that I’m wavering a little. When it seemed as though he’d lied to get out of paying, I was dead set. He could have offered to transfer the money and he absolutely should have. But now for some reason, I’m feeling bad. Stupid, really.

OP posts:
SunshineCake · 02/09/2021 16:35

Threads like this make me wish we knew the man's name..

cooldarkroom · 02/09/2021 16:37

I don't believe in the Saturday brother date, surely it could be Sunday....or another evening?
He is probably hard up because he is paying child maintenance
Sorry I'm not convinced.
Just tell him his various other commitments & constant tight arse sponging, have made you decide you are not compatible.

Pemba · 02/09/2021 16:42

It was your birthday! HE was the one insisting on a takeaway. He should have felt remorseful and immediately offered to transfer the money. He didn't, so what does that tell you?

No need to waver OP!

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 02/09/2021 16:43

The only reason you cant go to his is because he lives with his mum, and is saving all that money on rent and bills because of it. I would not feel bad about him paying for transport as that is his lifestyle choice not yours.

You could potentially slip into paying more as the partner who earns much more once you are in a committed relationship. But to have this arrangement forced upon you so early is simply unacceptable and shows you exactly who he is and what he's out for.

He intends to live outside of his means and have you fund it. Sorry but chuck this one back - you feel used because he is a user.

Pemba · 02/09/2021 16:43

No birthday present either? (sorry if you've already mentioned that.)

Tooembarrassingtomention · 02/09/2021 16:48

@dizzyupthegirl86

I actually found it - so doesn’t look like he lied. I’ve got to be honest and say that I’m wavering a little. When it seemed as though he’d lied to get out of paying, I was dead set. He could have offered to transfer the money and he absolutely should have. But now for some reason, I’m feeling bad. Stupid, really.
I need my bank card to transfer the 1st time and then over a certain amount. Has he transferred before?
SunshineCake · 02/09/2021 16:48

Thank he tried to stay over when you said no and you had to tell him several times.
He always over orders when someone else is paying the bill.
He has no oomph about doing stuff.

Shamsa03 · 02/09/2021 16:49

Another one of these threads🤦🏻‍♀️ seems the more people try to warn the ops the more they make excuses and stay 🤷🏼‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

Stay. Good luck.

Sssloou · 02/09/2021 16:50

@dizzyupthegirl86

I actually found it - so doesn’t look like he lied. I’ve got to be honest and say that I’m wavering a little. When it seemed as though he’d lied to get out of paying, I was dead set. He could have offered to transfer the money and he absolutely should have. But now for some reason, I’m feeling bad. Stupid, really.
Have you told him you have found it? Has he ordered a new one anyway?

Any chance it was found some where “convenient”?

Don’t waver - the lost card is a minor detail in this early onset cockloging fiasco

Shamsa03 · 02/09/2021 16:50

It's like a child the more you tell them the more they do it!
Funny thing is she didn't feel a connection a little while ago now she feels bad 🤦🏻‍♀️

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 16:54

@Shamsa03

It's like a child the more you tell them the more they do it! Funny thing is she didn't feel a connection a little while ago now she feels bad 🤦🏻‍♀️
That’s a bit uncalled for. I can feel bad whilst not feeling a spark, I didn’t realise the two were mutually exclusive.
OP posts:
dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 17:00

@Pemba no present, though genuinely not expecting one. Just making a point of treating me to dinner would have been nice. It’s still been the very early stages where a present isn’t really necessary.
@Tooembarrassingtomention he hasn’t transferred me money before so doesn’t have my details. Even an IOU would have been ok!

@Sssloou I haven’t told him yet, don’t know if he’s cancelled the card. He borrowed a hoodie from me today when we walked the dog coz it was cold and it was in the pocket.

OP posts:
1WayOrAnother2 · 02/09/2021 17:02

Here in the 'honeymoon':
-You're not feeling it
-He pushes boundaries
-He isn't concerned about being fair over paying and you now feel the need to watch out for this. (Trust gone?)
-You live far apart
-Your weekends can't be spent together (life time-tables incompatible)

What is good about this relationship? Does it counter all these things?

Sssloou · 02/09/2021 17:03

He borrowed a hoodie from me today when we walked the dog coz it was cold and it was in the pocket.

Any chance he “planted” it there for you to find?