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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

OP posts:
Catcorn · 03/09/2021 10:27

I’m more invested in this thread than he was in your relationship :lol: Hope it goes smoothly and you post an update.

annonymousse · 03/09/2021 10:27

Tell him you can't afford him.

SparklingLime · 03/09/2021 10:28

@annonymousse

Tell him you can't afford him.
Brilliant!
Glitterb · 03/09/2021 10:33

Isn’t he supposed to be impressing you at this stage of the relationship? I’m all about splitting the bills etc but he sounds childish!

Moooning · 03/09/2021 10:35

You sound really smart and sensible OP. That final text sounds good. I've done similar before, and going in to explaining things isn't necessary or beneficial at this stage of dating. If you were in a serious, committed relationship then you would, but what's the point? You owe him nothing, and you're just not feeling it anymore.

Time and energy (and your hard earned cash!) is precious, save it for things and people that make you feel unquestionably happy and content.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 10:39

@annonymousse

Tell him you can't afford him.
Hahaha that’s ace! I’m suddenly feeling a bit sore about everything today. Bit cold-y, bit sad, bit emotional. It’s not just the thing with him, I’m just a bit melancholy coz of my birthday tomorrow. I’m normally quite pragmatic and generally appreciative of what I’ve got. But suddenly I feel a bit weepy that there’s nobody to spoil me.

I don’t want to send him a message yet while I’m feeling like this because I need my resolve to be stronger when I do it. Just gonna finish having a little cry!

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AlrightThereSkippy · 03/09/2021 10:42

Sorry op Flowers

If it's any consolation, look at the number of threads we get on here every Mother's Day, Christmas and throughout to year when ops have big birthdays and their husbands or partners do absolutely nothing to spoil them!

Spoil yourself if you can Smile. You're definitely better off alone than with this guy imo.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 10:51

Yeah that’s true. Ultimately if it’s not right, I’m just wasting time, arent i? I spent two years with someone I wasn’t bothered about and it’s one of my only regrets in life. What did I miss out on over those two years?

I could treat myself, but there’s nothing I want. I’m going to a fancy spa next week! I recently bought my favourite diptyque candle (this makes me feel like I am an independent woman winning at life). I spent three days this week laying turf rather than paying someone a ridiculous amount of money to do it for me AND I didn’t break a single nail doing it. I’ve spent six months now in my lovely house that I’ve bought without needing to be tied to a waste of space man.

I’m doing well on my own, which is more than a lot of people can say. I need to remember that!

OP posts:
AlrightThereSkippy · 03/09/2021 10:54

I love that last post op. I mean, your own home AND a dyptique candle? Those are not the markers of someone who needs some crappy relationship. Hold off for an amazing one! And happy birthday for tomorrow CakeWine

SunshineCake · 03/09/2021 10:55

Happy Birthday for tomorrow 🎂

Now you don't have to pay for all his dinners you should go shopping tomorrow and buy all your own presents.

Rainbowshine · 03/09/2021 11:05

You rock @dizzyupthegirl86, you can find yourself someone who is up to the job of being a decent positive person to spend time with if that’s what you want.

I’d also reframe it - you didn’t waste that 2 years or these 2 months, it shows that you firstly are getting quicker at identifying it’s not the right person for you, and secondly you are able to make sound and brave decisions once you see it’s not right. Not everyone does either or just puts up with a bad or unsatisfactory relationship.

Happy birthday for tomorrow, maybe treat yourself to a takeaway Grin

billy1966 · 03/09/2021 11:07

OP, that text is just perfect.
Nothing more to say.

I'm a older woman well into my 50's.

When I was younger and single and needed to spoil myself, I bought a couple of pieces of lovely jewellery.

My husband has bought me spectacular jewellery during our long marriage but when I turned 40, I bought myself something stunning.

Obviously I was asked about the piece and I honestly answered that I had turned 40 and it was a gift from myself to myself and I didn't need anyone to do it for me, I wanted to do it for myself.
I deserved it!
I cannot tell you the surprise my explanation was greeted with by some people.
But in a very positive way.

On your birthday don't wait for a gift.
Buy yourself something that marks being healthy, well, self sufficient, a successful hard working young woman.

You have so much to celebrate.
Flowers

FinallyHere · 03/09/2021 11:25

I'm sorry you aren't feeling good at the moment. I hope you feel better soon.

‘I don’t think we should continue seeing each other.

I would really discourage you from using the sentence above. It reads to me as if there is doubt in your mind and so you are asking to be talked out of it.

This isn’t working for me anymore, and I don’t see a long term future in it’. Goodbye.

really is all you need to say. It is decisive, has the merit of truth and provides no openings to let him weasel himself in again.

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 12:14

So I’m just sat here casually watering my turf, and I’ve done it. Sent the message. It was weighing on my mind too much. I still feel sad but I’m a bit more resigned to wallowing today. It won’t change anything. He’s not replied yet but I’ll let you know if he does.

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alwaysraininghere · 03/09/2021 12:26

I think you liked the idea of him more than him... focus on you for a little bit and the right person may well come along when you are feeling more confident and boosted your self esteem. I don't know why we women put up with men who are no worthy. Codependency, self esteem? I don't know you but I can see myself in some of your posts.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 12:32

@alwaysraininghere

I think you liked the idea of him more than him... focus on you for a little bit and the right person may well come along when you are feeling more confident and boosted your self esteem. I don't know why we women put up with men who are no worthy. Codependency, self esteem? I don't know you but I can see myself in some of your posts.
I’d love to disagree but I can’t :) My self esteem is better than it used to be, and that’s a step in the right direction. I read something a while ago that basically said that we have an idea in our head of the right person in terms of their qualities and things they like, common interests and what we want in a partner. When we meet someone, they may tick some of those boxes but until we learn otherwise, we basically tick the boxes ourselves - fill in the gaps of what we know about them with the qualities we want them to have.

That always stuck with me. He ticked lots of the boxes himself, but the ones I assumed he ticked are coming out into the open now.

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altmember · 03/09/2021 12:35

Maybe going against the grain here a bit, but I still think that after two months of committed, exclusive relationship he deserves a bit more of an explanation. Not a lot, but a bit. Even if you use the line above from a PP - I can't afford to keep you any more. I think he needs telling that he's a tight arse, and it might make you feel better about ending it too.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 12:43

@altmember yes, it’s not sitting 100% right with me if I’m honest. Part of me feels like the right thing to do is to be honest about it, but that’s the part of me that doesn’t believe he’s a truly horrible person. It might be that he’s got some mad double life and I’m wrong about that. But for ME, my inclination is to tell him the truth because that’s the kind of person I am. If someone thought that about me, I’d want to know.

The flip side of that is, by giving him the reasons why, it gives him the chance to justify them, and particularly today, i’d struggle with that. So maybe by not telling him, there’s an element of self preservation.

In any case, he hasn’t replied so it may well be redundant.

OP posts:
Sssloou · 03/09/2021 12:45

I could treat myself, but there’s nothing I want.

Yes there is.

A wonderful reciprocal relationship - is what you want.

You have now taken one step towards that goal by moving this draining, time wasting, disrespectful, obstacle out of the way.

Congratulations. Celebrate.

Don’t give him the opportunity to pollute your birthday. Like you said - he knew exactly what he was doing - his actions were calculated and precise to exploit you. So block him!!! And get on with selecting someone equal and worthy of your great character and achievements.

Sssloou · 03/09/2021 12:50

The flip side of that is, by giving him the reasons why, it gives him the chance to justify them, and particularly today, i’d struggle with that. So maybe by not telling him, there’s an element of self preservation.

Yes - self preservation should be your goal right now. This is an emotionally intelligent approach.

You are the one who has been exploited, disappointed and let down.

Don’t expose yourself to any further shenanigans. He doesn’t deserve a dialogue.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 03/09/2021 12:55

I think he’s already being a bit shifty and your instincts are likely to be correct.

The “losing” the card and the pretending to be falling asleep would trouble me.

theworldsbiggestcrocodile · 03/09/2021 12:59

My ex boyfriend was mean of spirit like this (though to be Fair did earn a lot and that made it worse than your man here) but He's an ex for a reason

putthetubeinthebin · 03/09/2021 13:01

Yes I think we mentally tick all the boxes at the start and then wait for them to prove us wrong. What we should do is wait until they give evidence that a box should be ticked.

Pinkbonbon · 03/09/2021 13:06

I would assume that he probably loses 'important' stuff at yours so that he has an excuse come back for it. That whole pretending to be asleep thing too was suspicious.

He probably was expecting you to find the card and think 'oh no I cant dump him by phone because he has to come back for this'.

Also, don't use his card for anything op. I know it might be tempting to recoup your losses but he could report it as theft. You can leave his card at his bank branch if you dont want to give him it in person.

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