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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

OP posts:
3luckystars · 02/09/2021 22:53

You don’t even like him!!! You are better off on your own than with the wrong person.

Good luck!

SpringlikeBunk · 02/09/2021 23:01

I agree send a quick firm text then chill out.

(or you could send one saying you've lost your job, can he lend you £250 Grin)

HollowTalk · 02/09/2021 23:06

I wouldn't mention the card now but I reckon he'll remember to check those pockets quite quickly.

Sssloou · 02/09/2021 23:13

@Isthisit22

Trust your gut. Stop procrastinating and just send a text saying the relationship is not working for you and wishing him well.
Agree with this /\ /\

Also:

But weekends? Saturday we might exchange a few messages but then he’ll suddenly go quiet and nothing until Sunday afternoon.

Another huge red flag. I don’t for a moment believe that he is stuck firm to his DB for 36hrs at the weekend.

If you want a relationship which leads to children - don’t squander another 5 minutes of your precious and finite fertile years on this creep.

DameFanny · 02/09/2021 23:36

Don't worry about returning the card - just say 'oh I found your card, can't imagine why you'd put it in that hoodie but don't worry I've cut it up since you'll have cancelled it already'. If it's a problem, you'll know he was playing you.

But maybe do that after you've binned him.

Brindisi32 · 02/09/2021 23:37

Maybe he’s just a tight wad and careless with his card? Or maybe he doesn’t want a record of restaurant/ takeaway meals appearing on his statement?

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 23:41

Prefer the idea that he thinks I’ll find it soon and he can have it back next time I see him…. When in reality I’ve no plans to see him again and certainly not to give him back the card he NEVER BLOODY USES ANYWAY.

I’m off to bed anyway - you've (nearly) all been really helpful and helped me make sense of the whole thing when I’d have probably continued to doubt myself if left to my own devices. There’s been tons of wise advice given to me today so thank you for helping a girl out!

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Brollypackedforscottishholiday · 02/09/2021 23:48

Just had a thought after getting back to your thread op... When getting divorced all bank statements have to be shown to the other side's solicitor. Maybe he can't be seen to be dating... Restaurants etc.. And I would guess his Saturday's with his db is really contact time with his dc..
Just a hunch...

PornStarQuarantini · 02/09/2021 23:53

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  1. Why does he carry a loose card? Where's his wallet?
  2. Does he not have Apple or Google Pay on his phone?
  3. What does he do with his brother? This is very suspect!
  4. Do you really just want a 1-night per week relationship?

He has no respect for you OP. Good on you for realising & acting on it. Look forward to hearing the rest...

happinessischocolate · 02/09/2021 23:55

@Brollypackedforscottishholiday

Just had a thought after getting back to your thread op... When getting divorced all bank statements have to be shown to the other side's solicitor. Maybe he can't be seen to be dating... Restaurants etc.. And I would guess his Saturday's with his db is really contact time with his dc.. Just a hunch...
So why is he ordering takeaways he has no intention of paying for? What's wrong with drawing out cash if you want no trace on your bank statement. He's got his act too finely tuned for him to be anything other than a tightwad chancer cocklodger
Catcorn · 03/09/2021 00:00

Sorry that you’ve been disrespected like this OP. The less said the better ‘sorry, I don’t think we are working so please do not contact me again, take care’.

altmember · 03/09/2021 00:33

I do think that after 2 months of being in a relationship you owe him a bit more than a 'sorry it's not working out' text. At least tell him he's a stingy git!

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 03/09/2021 02:40

2 months is nothing.
You owe him nothing more than a "sorry it's not working out" text.

Sakurami · 03/09/2021 03:13

You don't owe him anything. If he hasn't cancelled his card it is because he knows it's safe. I would ask him to transfer you the £45 just out of curiosity of his response haha.

But yes, too many red flags. And who sees his sibl9ng every Saturday? And the fact that he doesn't contact you then is also a red flag. Possibly dating someone else? And tells her he's seeing his brother every Friday when he's with you?

Lotusmonster · 03/09/2021 03:56

@AWiseWomanOnceSaidFuckThisShit

He sounds like a teenager. Get rid.
This
Bogeyes · 03/09/2021 06:14

He's using you. Get rid of this piss taker

KateTheEighth · 03/09/2021 06:35

I think other posters might be right

He's either married or going through a messy divorce

The Saturday thing really makes me suspicious and you also say he calls you from the gym. Why doesn't he call you from home?

Maybe you can't find him on SM because he's blocked you so can't find out his real situation?

Ok, maybe that last bit went too far....

Seriously though there's something stinky about it all

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 08:29

Morning all!
I’ve never looked for him on social media. I barely use them myself, and I haven’t felt the need to.
I don’t think he’s married - it just doesn’t seem to fit. But the Saturday thing seems weirder than I gave it credit for initially. We usually spoke all week, in the week so it’s not like he’d have time to hide anything in the week anyway.
He’d sent me pictures of things in passing, so I’ve seen the bedroom he’s sleeping in at his moms, his old flat, etc. He was quite relaxed about leaving his phone around and showing me things on it.

I could absolutely be wrong, of course - but I’m not really interested in investigating it, because whether he’s married or divorced or got 900 children to support, it doesn’t change the fact that he’s a CF freeloader… there’s no excuse he has that can make that better, and it’s that that changed the dynamic hugely for me.

If anything, he’s more like a teenager than a man capable of living a double life. I’m not in denial about it, I’m just not invested enough now to try to find out, if that makes sense? He doesn’t need to take up any more of my headspace.

OP posts:
Sssloou · 03/09/2021 09:46

Great stance - so what’s your next manoeuvre to flush him from your headspace?

Pesimistic · 03/09/2021 09:54

Oh jeeze get rid

dangerrabbit · 03/09/2021 09:57

What are you going to do OP? I've read the whole thread and read lots of negatives about him but not very many positives. Will you end it and how?

Rainbowshine · 03/09/2021 10:07

@dizzyupthegirl86 do you need the nest of vipers to help you compose the text message you’re going to send to him ending things? You’ll find we have some good creative ideas!

Personally I’d go with a short message without giving too much about the reasons why and then block.

Here’s my starter for ten:

Hi I have been thinking about the last couple of months we’ve been seeing each other and have realised that it’s not working for me. It’s best to end this now with a clean break. I hope you find someone that fits well in your life. All the best, dizzy.

Oh and then block and lock down all your social media for a while.

tigerbreadandtea · 03/09/2021 10:08

No need to keep analysing and over thinking. Just dump him!

dizzyupthegirl86 · 03/09/2021 10:21

There ARE positives, and I do like him. Were there immediate sparks? No. But he was nice, easy to talk to, made me feel great, complimentary, good in bed, offered help when I needed it. Responded well to things - if I said something bothered me, he’d fix it.

But nobody wants to hear about those things!
The spark is a strange one. Generally when there’s an immediate spark is when I get carried away and things get too serious too quickly. I liked that this was going at a decent pace because when things get too intense, it’s not conducive to anything long lasting in my experience. I enjoyed that I still had time to myself and did things on my own and stuff with this guys - he was a nice addition to my life rather than taking over it, you know?

I’m going to send him a message today anyway. So far haven’t got very far other than something like ‘I don’t think we should continue seeing each other. This isn’t working for me anymore, and I don’t see a long term future in it’.

It’s absolutely the truth without bringing up the money or being petty and I don’t think it invites much further conversation.
If he knows what he’s doing, he’ll be fully aware of the reasons why.
If he’s genuinely a bit oblivious to it…. Well somehow that’s even worse!

OP posts:
OldTinHat · 03/09/2021 10:25

Lodger and Cock. Use those words as appropriate!