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Is this early onset cocklodging or am I overthinking?

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 10:58

I need to get my thoughts together and I know exactly what my best mate would say but a) he is male and b) doesn’t have the best relationship history.

So I’ve been single for about two years after a horrific break up that took me a while to get over. I’ve accomplished loads in that period and am happy with myself at the moment. I don’t need a relationship but I do miss having someone.
I started seeing someone a couple of months ago, initially I didn’t think there was much of a spark when we were texting but he was nice enough - but then after a few weeks something definitely turned a corner.
We’ve not spoken in great detail about finances but he works full time for his local council, I think from piecing bits together he earns maybe 20-23k? I earn 10k more. He was renting a room but his landlord sold the house so is now staying with his mom whilst saving up for a deposit. He’s 30, I’m 34, he lives around an hour away but typically comes to me as I live on my own.

The first time we went out, he suggested we split the bill. I didn’t have an issue with that. Second, third and fourth times, he came to mine, we ordered dinner and I paid. The second and third were cheap (maybe a tenner between us both times) but the third was about 40 quid and at that point I was a bit Hmm

After that, he suggested we go to a restaurant for dinner and the day before, he said he’d pay - which I thought was nice and a way of acknowledging he was aware I’d paid the last three times.
Next time, he came round, I paid - it was my ‘turn’, I thought. The time after that, we were ordering in and I told him it was his turn. He looked a bit surprised but said ok, though commented that at 45 quid, he hoped it was good. It was 45 coz he’d added a tenners worth of sides that HE wanted!

I then paid the last time. He knows I’ve got this week off work coz it’s my birthday and he suggested we go out for drinks and dinner yesterday which sounded lovely. He said he’d pick the restaurant, sent me a link and when I said how nice it looked, he said something like ‘yes but I’ve not looked at the prices yet’. He also said he’d come to mine beforehand (where we were going is roughly in the middle of where we both live). I told him that I usually get a taxi to the train station and then a train into town, but if there were two of us, a taxi straight into town would work out the same price - he said ‘that’s fine if we’re splitting it’…..

I thought it might be his way of saying he was on a budget (not something he’s ever bought up before) so I suggested we could do something cheaper if he wanted. He came over yesterday and I didn’t feel great so we decided to stay in. I suggested we could cook dinner with what I already had in, or go to the supermarket to get something - but he said he’d rather get a takeaway. He ordered it on the phone and asked if they took cards so I assumed he was paying - at this point, my (unspoken) logic was that it was his ‘turn’ and it was my birthday.

Food gets delivered and suddenly he can’t find his card. I give him mine to pay and he does so. If I’d been in that position, I’d have been mortified but would have offered to transfer it to the other person. No such offer.

So I’m at a bit of a loss really. I’m not typically that obsessed with money or who pays for what - I don’t mind at all taking it in turns and feel that it generally evens itself out. But I’m starting to get resentful about it now, and I’m noticing it more and more.

These comments about money really take the shine off things a bit! If I was in that position, I wouldn’t expect to be paid for but I’d definitely suggest cheaper things or offer to cook for someone.

A few weeks ago, he was over and he suggested staying the night - I was a bit thrown and said no. The next time he came over, he fell asleep but then basically wouldn’t get up, made out he was falling back to sleep. It was like he was expecting me to just cave? I told him three times he needed to get up and ended up turning the light on and leaving the room before he actually did it.
In a lot of ways, he’s great - he’s really nice, he’s engaging, he pays attention to what i say and is very generous with his attention. He’s close to his brother and the only day they both have off is Saturdays so he spends all day on Saturday with his brother, which does mean the things we can do are limited.

Sometimes I feel a bit Pearl-clutchy about things, so I don’t know whether I’m just overthinking these things. I would never dream of inviting myself to stay over, I’d wait to be invited.
I suppose what I’m asking is…. Is there another viewpoint I’m not seeing on the money side of things? It only became noticeable after the third time I ended up paying but it feels like he’s happy to let me pay. If he’d genuinely lost his card (and it did turn up once at my house after falling out of his pocket so it’s not outside the realms of possibility) and offered to transfer the cost of dinner, or even half, I wouldn’t feel quite so…. Used.

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Feedingthebirds1 · 02/09/2021 17:06

Don't let finding the card make you waver. Who's to say he didn't put it there deliberately so tat he didn't have it on him, but when you found it you'd feel exactly as you do?

Personally I think the petrol costs are irrelevant. He chooses to come to yours. He doesn't invite you to his because he'd rather be at your place where there's only the two of you. You've offered lots of alternatives but he always chooses yours. That's on him.

You knew you didn't feel it with him from the start but hoped he'd be a bit of fun to do things with. But you don't get to do the fun things you want to do because he isn't available on Saturdays, and when you do go out/have takeaway you usually end up paying. That's not my definition of fun.

Bin him off and find someone who is more on your wavelength and wants the same things you want. But I wouldn't mention the money. That would just give him the opportunity to paint you as a gold digger who only wants what she can get out of it. I know that would be pot and kettle coming from him, but don't give him the opportunity.

PieceOfString · 02/09/2021 17:16

If in his mind his petrol money cancels out the obligation to split food costs (which isn't unreasonable to a point if the journey is long) he should have a little chat with you about that not just covertly avoid it. He doesn't seem to be giving you enough good feelings to make it worth ploughing on with him. I'd cut my losses at this point I think, mixed picture though he is.

phishy · 02/09/2021 17:18

@PieceOfString

If in his mind his petrol money cancels out the obligation to split food costs (which isn't unreasonable to a point if the journey is long) he should have a little chat with you about that not just covertly avoid it. He doesn't seem to be giving you enough good feelings to make it worth ploughing on with him. I'd cut my losses at this point I think, mixed picture though he is.
I don’t think a 2 hour round trip costs £45!

A tenner maybe.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 17:18

@Sssloou

He borrowed a hoodie from me today when we walked the dog coz it was cold and it was in the pocket.

Any chance he “planted” it there for you to find?

Maybe! Been thinking about that. I’m not gonna tell him that I’ve found it. If he has, he’ll hint at it. Then I’ll know. He could still at this point acknowledge the fact that I’ve bought dinner seven times to his two, that’s what’s so cheeky about the whole thing!
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PieceOfString · 02/09/2021 17:20

Yes, That's why I said to a point, so maybe they slice and dice things taking the petrol into account, but he isn't taking the adult approach and whatever he thinks it's worth he's going about it in a crap way.

aloris · 02/09/2021 17:25

Why would his bankcard be in the pocket of your hoodie? How did it get there?

Folklore9074 · 02/09/2021 17:25

@dizzyupthegirl86

I actually found it - so doesn’t look like he lied. I’ve got to be honest and say that I’m wavering a little. When it seemed as though he’d lied to get out of paying, I was dead set. He could have offered to transfer the money and he absolutely should have. But now for some reason, I’m feeling bad. Stupid, really.
Hmmmmm I guess fair enough but this wasn't the only instance that gave you the ick was it? It was just the one you felt 'justified' sacking it off. For the record you don't need any reason to call it quits if you're not feeling it x
Eddielzzard · 02/09/2021 17:28

Well you could give him another chance, and now you're sensitive to this issue. You could see if he tries it again, but really the question is do you even want to see him again?

Willlow · 02/09/2021 17:56

He borrowed the hoodie today but couldn't find the card yesterday?

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 18:00

Sorry, he borrowed the hoodie yesterday when we went to walk the dog. I’ve put it on today and found it in the pocket!

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3luckystars · 02/09/2021 18:01

I don’t think you like him that much anyway.

I’d hope is someone more suitable for you out there.

Don’t waste any more time and definitely don’t pay for anything else.

proudwomansexmatters · 02/09/2021 18:05

If you feel uncomfortable now, you will continue to feel this tenfold.
Get rid.

SarahBellam · 02/09/2021 18:16

To be honest, you sound ick adjacent. I’d cut my losses.

BudrosBudrosGalli · 02/09/2021 18:22

Use the card to buy yourself some takeaway with all the bells and whistles... Grin

Suprima · 02/09/2021 18:24

[quote dizzyupthegirl86]@Pemba no present, though genuinely not expecting one. Just making a point of treating me to dinner would have been nice. It’s still been the very early stages where a present isn’t really necessary.
@Tooembarrassingtomention he hasn’t transferred me money before so doesn’t have my details. Even an IOU would have been ok!

@Sssloou I haven’t told him yet, don’t know if he’s cancelled the card. He borrowed a hoodie from me today when we walked the dog coz it was cold and it was in the pocket.[/quote]
If you weren’t expecting a present- raise your bloody standards. They are incredibly low, which is why he is still taking the piss. Birthdays are the time for a bit of fuss, where he should be impressing you and making you smile. It’s not too early for him to rinse you of cash, it’s definitely not too early for him to get you a bouquet of flowers and some pretty earrings.

And with the card- he ‘lost’ it in your house. This was intentional. He had no intention of paying. If he had, he’d have been mortified and transferred you the money.

Please don’t give this absolute loser any more of your time.

You will be in a relationship with no flowers on Valentine’s Day, shit/or no presents on birthdays, footing the bill for everything and most likely doing all of the the bloody housework and admin drudge as a treat for all of your effort. Oh, and if you have a baby with him- enjoy funding your own maternity leave and paying nursery fees for your joint child.

We are treated how we allow ourselves to be treated- you are allowing yourself to be mugged off and he is taking advantage. Please stop letting the ‘2 hour round trip’ being used as excuses- that costs like £8 and it’s his choice. £8 after a day with his brother, for a night away from his parents house for a shag and a takeaway you pay for….sounds like a great deal for him.

Sorry if this is brash- I’m just fuming for you. Angry

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 02/09/2021 18:38

It doesn't matter that he genuinely lost the card. He should have transferred you the money immediately. He's still a tightwad.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 18:39

@Suprima no, this is kinda what I need to hear. I genuinely don’t do presents really - my family don’t buy gifts for each other or anything. A gift would be nice but it’s not important enough to me for me to be upset. So as not to drip feed, it was his birthday the week after we met, he went away and I didn’t get him anything. Two months in, I’d expect a ‘let me take you to dinner’ or something like that, but not necessarily a gift.

I’m not saying the trip excuses his behaviour, it clearly doesn’t. But as others have said, he puts in effort in THAT way, it’s not like he does absolutely nothing. It’s certainly not enough to get a free ride though!

It’s been on my mind for a couple of weeks - what kind of future is there? I don’t want to only have access to someone one day a week, no matter how good it might be.

Thanks though, I did need that!

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Suprima · 02/09/2021 18:48

[quote dizzyupthegirl86]@Suprima no, this is kinda what I need to hear. I genuinely don’t do presents really - my family don’t buy gifts for each other or anything. A gift would be nice but it’s not important enough to me for me to be upset. So as not to drip feed, it was his birthday the week after we met, he went away and I didn’t get him anything. Two months in, I’d expect a ‘let me take you to dinner’ or something like that, but not necessarily a gift.

I’m not saying the trip excuses his behaviour, it clearly doesn’t. But as others have said, he puts in effort in THAT way, it’s not like he does absolutely nothing. It’s certainly not enough to get a free ride though!

It’s been on my mind for a couple of weeks - what kind of future is there? I don’t want to only have access to someone one day a week, no matter how good it might be.

Thanks though, I did need that![/quote]
Thank you, and I’m sorry if I was rude! I struggle to phrase things properly sometimes and I really do wish you well. I think you have made a good decision.

You responded to a previous poster who suggested to ensure the man pays for a first date negatively, as you don’t believe someone with a penis has to pay for everything. I really do urge you to rethink this after you have things burned.

When commitment has been established- you can definitely get more ‘equal’ if that sits better with you, but a man paying the first few times is a good sign. Thank them graciously for the lovely meal and a great evening and enjoy it. A man who has ‘skin in the game’ and is happy to treat a woman to a nice dinner won’t be playing the ‘I’ve lost my card!’ game and will more than likely buy you flowers on special occasions. It seems regressive, but women have so much to lose as we give, give and give and have been socialised to be kind and understanding to people’s woes. Only tolerating men who ‘take you out’ the first few times really does act as a filter for the cheapskates and those who ‘don’t do birthdays’. Obviously, they can still turn out to be arseholes in a different way- but seeing as you rightfully like a little treat and a fuss now again, it’s an easy filter for making sure your values align. Consider it.

Suprima · 02/09/2021 18:49

*You have been burned, that should say!

selflove · 02/09/2021 18:52

Literally broke up with someone last week in a near identical situation. Been dating almost a year, and 80% of the time I'd pay for things. If we went for dinner, he'd always disappear off to the toilet or for a phone call as the bill came. After 4 or 5 times of this, I left the bill sitting there til he came back and he said "shall we split it then". And he said "makes sense for you to cover takeaways when we're at yours, I'll cover them when we're at mine". But he was coming to me 3/4 times a week, and I'd go to his once a month!!

His income far exceeded mine too, plus he owned his home & had no kids. I'm renting, small kids etc. I ended things with him and didn't say about the money stuff - it's not my job to "improve" or fix him for the next woman. He'd have made excuses or made me feel like I'm shallow for valuing money. Wasn't worth it.

dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 19:02

@Suprima can you be my fairy godmother please?
I will consider the paying first thing…. If a guy insisted then I’d let him. But I can’t say I think less of someone for suggesting we split it. Best mate has regaled me of many times girls agreed to go on a date with him only to let him pay and then disappear in the sunset.

I’ve spoken to a friend of mine today and they reminded me that I’d mentioned it to them after the fourth date - that I was happy that he’d offered to pay the next time because it was starting to lean too much one way. So it was something I was aware of even back then, and it’s not got any better.

I feel like I’ve given him chances. I made light of it being his turn, I opened up the conversation to let him discuss if it was stretching him too much financially. If he’d transferred the money to me last night then I wouldn’t mind at all putting it on my card. I’ve been nice, I’ve been subtle, I’ve been blatant. Can’t do anything more.

I haven’t told him yet - I will; but I just don’t know what to say. I don’t want to wait too long but I just need to think on it a little more. I’ve just taken the dog for a walk, got very lost, found some kids phone and got it back to him, and am now home. Gonna have some time not thinking about it, then probably read through everyone’s advice on this thread and then do it!

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dizzyupthegirl86 · 02/09/2021 19:05

@selflove

Literally broke up with someone last week in a near identical situation. Been dating almost a year, and 80% of the time I'd pay for things. If we went for dinner, he'd always disappear off to the toilet or for a phone call as the bill came. After 4 or 5 times of this, I left the bill sitting there til he came back and he said "shall we split it then". And he said "makes sense for you to cover takeaways when we're at yours, I'll cover them when we're at mine". But he was coming to me 3/4 times a week, and I'd go to his once a month!!

His income far exceeded mine too, plus he owned his home & had no kids. I'm renting, small kids etc. I ended things with him and didn't say about the money stuff - it's not my job to "improve" or fix him for the next woman. He'd have made excuses or made me feel like I'm shallow for valuing money. Wasn't worth it.

It’s not worth it, you’re right! Another thing therapy made me realise is that I very easily - too easily - let myself end up in this mothering role. It’s happened more than once in relationships. I’ve done so much work on myself lately that I do not want to end up back in that situation - I end up managing their calendars, money, pets, social lives….. it’s like I want to be needed, rather than wanted. It’s only reading these responses that have made me realise how easily that could happen. I didn’t think he was that type of guy but…. Quack!!
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SatNightFever · 02/09/2021 19:19

So he prefers to spend every Saturday with his ‘ brother’ rather than his gorgeous new woman …Hmm.. and ‘does bits’ on a Sunday…
…. methinks he’s got kids ( and/ or a wife) he hasn’t mentioned.
Might explain the money issues too.

KateTheEighth · 02/09/2021 19:26

I'll bet you a £45 takeaway that he planted the card in your hoodie

PickAChew · 02/09/2021 19:30

Yes, why would he put the card in the hoodie pocket? Did he use it while out or did his trousers not have any and he'd grown tired of clothing it, constantly? It seems very deliberate.

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