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Should I Let Her Husband Go Too?

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Perriwinkles · 19/08/2021 21:46

So, I am female. I have a male childhood friend. He met his now wife and she and I hit it off … in time. I made a huge effort with her & wanted to make sure she knew just how platonic her husband and I were. A true friendship then developed.

Roll on 8 years later and she and I had got very very close. Then one day, it all imploded. I thought it was a bad fight (& our only ever fight) but she cut me out entirely even though we had left each other on good terms that day. I was devastated & asked for an explanation. She wrote me a nasty text that I didn’t know she was capable of. I had never been so close to a friend & it affected me terribly. I spoke to a therapist about it and lost a lot of sleep.

Her husband, my long-standing friend, still makes an effort to maintain his friendship with me — we see each every once every few months and some texts. The problem is that every time I see him I am re-triggered. The friendship break-up cut me deep and seeing him opens up the wound every single time. It takes me weeks to recover. I have never once brought any of this up with him and I never discuss her with him. He brings her up though as he is consumed by her.

What do you think? Should I try to slowly phase him out too? The problem is … He’s universally adored! He’s one of those guys who doesn’t see people often but puts on his game face when he sees them and so ‘the gang’ all love him (when they see him at get-togethers, weddings etc.).

I want to move on (as I know she has) but what should I do?

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 20/08/2021 16:00

@Perriwinkles you are prolonging this by continuing to be in contact 'enthusiastically' whenever he contacts you. You are disrespecting his wife by continuing to meet him when she no longer wants to see you. And you are totally at his beck and call.

You don't want your wider friendship group to 'think badly' of you for whatever reason. But you won't explain the reasons to them of you and his wife falling out.

She told you what he thought of your ex-DH and you didn't even have the balls to stick up for him. Horrible!

This is a drama that is continuing becuase you are revelling in it.

Just end it!

No more contact. No more drama. No more angst. No need to meet his kid. No more absolute nonsense.

QueenHofScotland · 20/08/2021 16:03

@beastlyslumber

Maybe I’m naive but it seems a bit insulting to the OP to dismiss the idea that he might like her and her company - doesn’t mean he’s a good friend though!

Not my intention to insult! I could be wrong, but the picture I'm getting of this guy is that he's basically a narcissist. Very good at superficial charm, everyone loves him, but the people closest to him see a different side. He is disrespecting his wife by maintaining contact with the OP, and he uses the OP's falling out with the wife as a way of upsetting her. He may well like the OP (I'm sure she is very likable!) but I don't think it's what's relevant here. He uses her to prop up his image of himself and to triangulate his wife.

Ah ok. That makes absolute sense and I do agree with you.
Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 16:03

Thanks for your comments. Yeah, this can’t go on…

He just sounds like a dickhead OP, the type that says whatever will make the person in front of him the happiest / most impressed / most on side. A chameleon
He’s not an outright dickhead but he is as you describe and he changes everything according to who he’s talking to.

His attitude towards your ex husband is fucking horrible too and I personally wouldn't have wanted to continue a friendship with someone who looked down their nose at my partner
This still Hurts. While it sadly didn’t work out with my H, I still have respect and admiration for him and while he might not be as accomplished as the Husband of the Wife, at least he’s genuine!

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QueenHofScotland · 20/08/2021 16:04

Do you think the rest of the group genuinely like him?

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 16:10

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

I too wish I had green fingers Smile

you are prolonging this by continuing to be in contact 'enthusiastically' whenever he contacts you
Yes true. It’s just hard not to when he sends me lovely (but appropriate and friendly) texts!

You are disrespecting his wife by continuing to meet him when she no longer wants to see you
I disagree. I think she disrespected me and our friendship by ending it without a good hearing. I don’t owe her anything in this cub text. I’ve known him almost 40 years, I knew her for 8.

And you are totally at his beck and call True and no more. I’m tired of his time being so much more important than mine and being expected to slot into small windows of time to suit him.

You don't want your wider friendship group to 'think badly' of you for whatever reason. But you won't explain the reasons to them of you and his wife falling out
I haven’t told them about the fallout as I don’t want to be bitchy.

She told you what he thought of your ex-DH and you didn't even have the balls to stick up for him. Horrible!
It wasn’t that I didn’t have the balls - she said it quickly while saying lots else and it just didn’t sink in until I got home.

This is a drama that is continuing becuase you are revelling in it
Revelling I am not. This has caused me great sadness and unhappiness and disappointment which is why I started this thread.

Just end it!

No more contact. No more drama. No more angst. No need to meet his kid. No more absolute nonsense
Thank you for the advice. I don’t agree it’s ‘absolute nonsense’ as it’s my life.

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 16:11

@QueenHofScotland

Do you think the rest of the group genuinely like him?
1000 times yes. They make that infinitely clear.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 20/08/2021 16:15

But you would have sung his praises to anyone who asked, even after he's repeatedly made you feel shit! So you don't know what people think really. Many might like him, others may think he's a bit of a show off / a bit much, others may have his number and think he's a dick but not have any reason to say so and therefore it's not known.

There's no need for a big showdown about any of this. Meeting up with him makes you feel shit. You think he's not especially genuine. You don't really like him that much now his mask has slipped and you know his wife doesn't want anything to do with you. The friendship is over already, there is no genuine friendship left. Just him summoning you despite his wife wanting no contact and you feeling crap when you accept.

Cut the cord.

QueenHofScotland · 20/08/2021 16:18

I wonder how I would feel if my husband continued to meet up with someone I had a huge falling out with?

I mean, he can’t have much loyalty to her either.

SunshineCake · 20/08/2021 16:23

Don't cling onto a mistake just because you've spent a long time making it.

This is such a powerful statement and would work for some many situations. An update on the sunk costs statement.

Hummingbird1950 · 20/08/2021 16:24

FWIW I don't think you'll see him again at these group events once you cut contact with him. It doesn't sound to me as though he likes these people, what with him moaning about having to attend their weddings. If you're the one who organises these group things, just stop inviting him. As I said before, if the others ask you about him just shrug and casually say you've not spoken to him in ages, then tell them about everything you've been upto. It doesn't sound as though any of them are on friendly enough terms that they'll contact him themselves to invite him. If you invite these old friends to meet up one to one with you, I can't see that they'll decide to organise a group meet-up themselves. They sound too lazy and as though it all gets put on you. If you're seeing them one to one and maintaining your friendship that way, you could always decline to attend the group events if someone does organise one.

SunshineCake · 20/08/2021 16:27

@Perriwinkles

It’s so frustrating as I feel people just really don’t know what he’s really like.
It's not your job to convince people. He might very well be wonderful with them but he is a shit to you and you should walk away. Why are you giving him so much power snd headspace? You might be friends with others but he comes as part of the deal and isn't worth it. I had a friend once who was friendly with someone who was a complete twat. I decided my friend wasn't someone I wanted in my life if they thought CT was a decent person.
OneFootintheRave · 20/08/2021 16:29

[quote Perriwinkles]@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Or C) Cut out the drama and just stop contacting him

But I don’t Smile. I just reply when he contacts me. It’s too rude and mean not to reply to a childhood friend.[/quote]
It's NOT "too rude and mean not to reply to a childhood friend" it really isn't when it's doing no good for you.

beastlyslumber · 20/08/2021 16:59

I think she disrespected me and our friendship by ending it without a good hearing. I don’t owe her anything in this cub text. I’ve known him almost 40 years, I knew her for 8.

I agree you're being disrespectful to his wife, and I think he is being disrespectful to her also. Doesn't matter how long you've known him.

There's no need for a big showdown about any of this. Meeting up with him makes you feel shit. You think he's not especially genuine. You don't really like him that much now his mask has slipped and you know his wife doesn't want anything to do with you. The friendship is over already, there is no genuine friendship left. Just him summoning you despite his wife wanting no contact and you feeling crap when you accept.

This is exactly right. End it, either with a slow fade or a total eclipse. I bet you will feel so relieved once you get him out of your life. He sounds totally toxic.

diddl · 20/08/2021 17:15

At the end of the day, he has treated you badly, there is a side to him that you don't like-it shouldn't be so difficult for you cut contact.

What would be the reason not to?

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 17:25

Thanks for all of your comments. I don’t agree that it’s disrespectful of me to see him. I’m simply meeting a childhood friend every now and again at his request-the same way his wife meets her male friends without him. She and I don’t speak but I actually don’t get the impression she hates or dislikes me. It got horribly complicated.

I suppose the reason to stay friends is historical and also our texts are very fun & casual: 2 old buddies having some banter. It’s all fine until it’s not! 😢I’m still confused (but this thread has helped a lot and I really appreciate the helpful comments). I’ve never cut out a long-term friend before and I would worry id regret it. But it might be for the best.

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AnotherOldGeezer · 20/08/2021 17:30

I have found that there’s nothing to be gained by cutting people off, particularly when you are part of a group

However painful, take the moral high ground- that way you can look down on themSmile

Gradually reduce contact. Buy a nice card and reasonable present for the baby. See them for a short time

What has come out of this is he’s an unpleasant person with charm. I have a friend who has been angry with me - I can just about tolerate that. But contempt - no. And you shouldn’t.

Confusedandshaken · 20/08/2021 17:31

[quote Perriwinkles]@QueenHofScotland

Do you think the rest of the group genuinely like him?
1000 times yes. They make that infinitely clear.[/quote]
But you make it infinitely clear that you like him too. Even in this thread you keep telling us how amazing he is whilst describing his manipulative, deceptive, self serving behaviour. As I said upthread, if you have seen through him, I'm sure other people have too. The difference is that you persist with the idea that you two have a special connection that is stronger than both your marriages whereas your other friends seem to accept him as a charming user who comes and goes as it suits him.

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 17:45

@AnotherOldGeezer

Thank you. A different perspective. The moral high ground is always preferable to extreme measures….it is painful though, which is the problem.

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 17:49

@Confusedandshaken

But you make it infinitely clear that you like him too. Even in this thread you keep telling us how amazing he is whilst describing his manipulative, deceptive, self serving behaviour.

That’s true. He has many different sides to him which is precisely why it’s so difficult to decide what to do.

As I said upthread, if you have seen through him, I'm sure other people have too.
I’m sure others have but no-one in our group as they don’t see enough of him.

The difference is that you persist with the idea that you two have a special connection that is stronger than both your marriages whereas your other friends seem to accept him as a charming user who comes and goes as it suits him.

None of our friends think he’s a ‘charming user’ and I don’t for a second think I’ve a ‘special connection’ that’s stronger than both of our marriages.

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beastlyslumber · 20/08/2021 17:50

But you make it infinitely clear that you like him too. Even in this thread you keep telling us how amazing he is whilst describing his manipulative, deceptive, self serving behaviour. As I said upthread, if you have seen through him, I'm sure other people have too. The difference is that you persist with the idea that you two have a special connection that is stronger than both your marriages whereas your other friends seem to accept him as a charming user who comes and goes as it suits him.

This. But I think you haven't seen through him quite, OP. I think you see him for what he is, but then you quickly look away, tell yourself you're wrong, he's lovely really, everyone else loves him, he's such a good friend, maybe it's your fault, maybe his wife is the problem, and so on. You have described his behaviour on here in such a way as to make many of us think he is superficially charming but deep down toxic. But you still refer to him as a friend and think you have a good connection with him, although his behaviour to you is despicable.

Did your therapist ever talk to you about narcissism? Because this guy is ticking all the boxes. Once you see his behaviour for what it actually is, you'll find it easier to break this off. He's not your friend.

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 17:51

@Mummyford

Harsh but fair I guess!

Just stop this with him now Stop what? Texting my old friend back? Stop being polite? Stop trying to be classy by not bringing up what happened with him or others?

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 17:58

@Mummyford

Thanks for the advice on the text. I don’t think meeting their baby would be a good idea. I imagine I’d find it upsetting as he looks like her and it’d no doubt reinforce the gap between her & me!

There is a point in this where your own behaviour is perpetuating this dynamic an a self-defeating way. I'm assuming your therapist pointed that out?
She didn’t but I know that myself. I know that everything I do or do not do has an effect. I just want to make sure I don't let myself down or behave in a way I’ll regret. Not replying to texts etc is just not me and I’d feel very rude to anyone if I did that…

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 17:59

The moral high ground is sending - not giving in person- a note and a gift and then walking away
That’s what I’m thinking of doing. How could I phrase the card in a way that sends the message that I’m happy for them but won’t be seeing them again?

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 18:04

You're creating drama in your head that doesn't exist.How much time do you honestly spend thinking/wondering about (or discussing) your old school friends' other friendships?

Anyway, good luck and I can genuinely suggest more therapy might not be the worst idea?
I’ve said a fair few times on this thread that I’ve had enough therapy. It’s not a panacea and i need to sort this out myself. Bear in mind, I’ve been very busy with a new job, a house move and a marital separation. I have a week off work this week so I’ve had a chance to think about all of this. I don’t just sit around all day thinking about this. Wink

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 18:05

@Mummyford

You don't need to. Just write a note like you would to a colleague.

Hi Narcissistic Prick and Psycho Wife. Congratulations on the birth of baby narc-psycho. I wish your gorgeous family all the best (and hope this fits)! From Perriwinkles

Then redirect your thinking to get these people out of your head, take up a hobby, make some new friends, and be politely too busy the next time he reaches out. Keep being politely too busy. Things will die a natural, gradual, civilised death and you'll be free of thinking about people who-for whatever screwed up reason- rarely return the headspace

Thanks for this ^ I actually laughed out loud at it!

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