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Should I Let Her Husband Go Too?

444 replies

Perriwinkles · 19/08/2021 21:46

So, I am female. I have a male childhood friend. He met his now wife and she and I hit it off … in time. I made a huge effort with her & wanted to make sure she knew just how platonic her husband and I were. A true friendship then developed.

Roll on 8 years later and she and I had got very very close. Then one day, it all imploded. I thought it was a bad fight (& our only ever fight) but she cut me out entirely even though we had left each other on good terms that day. I was devastated & asked for an explanation. She wrote me a nasty text that I didn’t know she was capable of. I had never been so close to a friend & it affected me terribly. I spoke to a therapist about it and lost a lot of sleep.

Her husband, my long-standing friend, still makes an effort to maintain his friendship with me — we see each every once every few months and some texts. The problem is that every time I see him I am re-triggered. The friendship break-up cut me deep and seeing him opens up the wound every single time. It takes me weeks to recover. I have never once brought any of this up with him and I never discuss her with him. He brings her up though as he is consumed by her.

What do you think? Should I try to slowly phase him out too? The problem is … He’s universally adored! He’s one of those guys who doesn’t see people often but puts on his game face when he sees them and so ‘the gang’ all love him (when they see him at get-togethers, weddings etc.).

I want to move on (as I know she has) but what should I do?

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Zucker · 20/08/2021 15:09

[quote Perriwinkles]@Zucker

Have you fallen into the trap of organising when he will grant the wider group an audience?

Yes! I live closer to him too.[/quote]
Start by being non comittal with arrangements. If a meet up is suggested. You stand back and say....yeah that sounds great, let me know the arrangements. Stop trying to fix it so he has an easy path. It's most likely a learned behaviour over the years, but it's not your job to facilitate him.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 20/08/2021 15:10

This is peculiar. He must know that 'something' has happened if you were both as close as you claim to have been.

But no longer are.

Yet neither of you talk about it? Are you really as good friends as you think you are with him?

Also without knowing why you fell out with his wife, it's difficult to know who was at fault. If either.

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:10

Are you enjoying the fact that he keeps contact with you behind his wife's back ?

Good grief no! WT… No one is doing anything behind anyone’s back! Since you find my life and situation so ‘weird’ and ‘bizarre’ you’re more than welcome to refrain from commenting on this thread.

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:13

@Zucker

Stop trying to fix it so he has an easy path. It's most likely a learned behaviour over the years, but it's not your job to facilitate him

Thank you. I’ll do that. I’ve been the one who brings everyone together but I don’t need to be as I’m individually close to them all. He isn’t - he just swoops in and charms the pants off everyone & then goes off and lives his life until the next Meetup organised by others.

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beastlyslumber · 20/08/2021 15:14

I think just do a slow fade. If your friend calls and tries to arrange something, could you say something along the lines of, "it doesn't feel right to hang out with you and not your wife as well. It all feels a bit awkward so shall we just leave it for now?" You would know better what kind of wording to use, but I would just make it clear that you're not comfortable meeting up without her so best to just call it a day.

I wouldn't worry about what he might say to your mutual friends. If they are good friends, they won't take sides (and will probably think less of him for trying to make it an issue. ) If they drop you or take his side without speaking to you first, they weren't your friends in the first place and you're better off without them.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 20/08/2021 15:15

he just swoops in and charms the pants off everyone & then goes off and lives his life until the next Meetup organised by others

It doesn't even sound if you like him very much to be honest. Just let go and form some new friendships.

Karwomannghia · 20/08/2021 15:16

You’ve seen through the facade, time to stop pretending it’s still there for his sake. They used you and for some reason he’s still using you to agree he’s fantastic and his family is wonderful.

diddl · 20/08/2021 15:18

He does sound as if he collects people for the sake of it & doesn't even like them!

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:18

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

I explained the reason for the fallout upthread.

Oh, He 100% knows about the fallout-I’m certain of that. He knew she had cut me out before I did! She told me how she discussed it all with him in that long nasty text she sent me. But yes, neither of us have spoken about it to one another ever so I need to either:

A) make excuses, let him fade out and gradually never see him.
OR
B) bring up the elephant in the room the next time I see him … I’d like to do this but it’d take a lot of courage and his reaction could be very upsetting, so in terms of self-preservation A could be better but who knows …

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GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 20/08/2021 15:19

Or C) Cut out the drama and just stop contacting him.

MrsMaizel · 20/08/2021 15:20

@Perriwinkles

Are you enjoying the fact that he keeps contact with you behind his wife's back ?

Good grief no! WT… No one is doing anything behind anyone’s back! Since you find my life and situation so ‘weird’ and ‘bizarre’ you’re more than welcome to refrain from commenting on this thread.

Why don't you use some of your "very un-confrontational attitude" that you have shown on here to him to end this relationship ?
MahMahMahMahCorona · 20/08/2021 15:20

Hi @Perriwinkles - to me it seems really strange that he has continued to reach out to you despite your falling out with his wife. He may not have wanted to take sides, but I'm pretty sure it sends ripples of frustration through their marriage...

I wonder if in fact he didn't agree with the falling out, so he uses both of you for one- upmanship - he could just as easily return home and say to his wife "I've just seen Perriwinkles and she is doing better than ever."

Alternatively he's getting some kind of buzz from seeing you and continuing to belittle you (something which I personally wouldn't put up with and I would call him out on).

My only other theory is that in fact he can't bear to lose you as a friend / sister, and has secretly harboured much love for you over many years.

In any case, for your own MH and confidence, I would just step back for now and perhaps mute / block him for a while.

Good luck.

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:22

Thanks @Mummyford
You’re right. The dynamic is unhealthy. I do think sending a gift and card would help draw a line under everything and then I could move on with my own life. The three of us were so close, that’s the thing. But you’re right - they’re too busy caught up in their own world to be thinking of me.

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:23

@GreenFingersWouldBeHandy

Or C) Cut out the drama and just stop contacting him

But I don’t Smile. I just reply when he contacts me. It’s too rude and mean not to reply to a childhood friend.

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beastlyslumber · 20/08/2021 15:24

Oh so he loves the drama. I'd just stop answering his calls. Don't message him back. Just don't bother with him.

I've had a couple of very intense friendships that ended badly and I was very hurt and in one case, massively traumatised. It doesn't matter what the nature of the relationship is: narcissists and abusers cause huge damage and the best you can do is keep away from these people now you know what they're like.

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:25

Thanks a lot @beastlyslumber I think a slow fade is my best bet. I’m amazed at how he keeps initiating contact considering I never initiate it. But then, my responses are usually enthusiastic.

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Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:27

@Karwomannghia

You’ve seen through the facade, time to stop pretending it’s still there for his sake. They used you and for some reason he’s still using you to agree he’s fantastic and his family is wonderful

This is just so so true. I keep denying the facade but the truth is he’s shown his true colours so many times (many more than I’ve detailed here). It’s frustrating that only I and his wife have seen that side of him, very very frustrating … but there’s nothing I can do about that.

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beastlyslumber · 20/08/2021 15:27

It’s too rude and mean not to reply to a childhood friend.

It's not at all rude or mean. Your life, your boundaries, your choice. Just ignore him. Block his number, even. He's shown he's not a friend - he's using you to triangulate his wife, and her to triangulate you. Just cut him out of your life. Please don't send a card or anything like that. They don't care about you. They will just use it as ammunition against you. Just go silent. It's the most effective tool you have.

QueenHofScotland · 20/08/2021 15:31

You are clinging on to this friendship out of habit. You’ve described a close friend, almost like a brother. And it’s hard to walk away from that.

Your OP almost answered your question- you know that you need to pull back from this relationship and you knew that before you posted but the longevity of the relationship makes that feel daunting. Almost like going NC with family.

You don’t need to make a grand statement declaring the end of your friendship though - I understand you not wanting to do this since he is still part of a wider group of friends.

Another way is to completely ignore his messages.

If it were me - if he text I would respond and say you are mega busy and will get back to him ASAP with dates to meet up. No explanations. Then don’t get back to him. If he pushes again then say “oh I’ve been so busy, will get back to you soon with dates / suggestions”. Then don’t. Over time it will fizzle out, especially as you only meet up every couple of months. Before he realises, 6 months will have passed, then a year etc.

Kee meeting up with your other friends though!! Don’t let him or his wife put you off

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:31

Thanks @MahMahMahMahCorona

Yes, he chose not to take sides because, I imagine, he knows us both so well and knows there are two sides to every story and he gets us both. I don’t think he’s harbouring anything for me. I think he’s only got eyes for his wife and anyone can see that. It is nice that he continues to make an effort but it’s difficult not being able to mention the ever-growing elephant in the room! Since they had their baby, I feel the elephant has grown.

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beastlyslumber · 20/08/2021 15:31

I’m amazed at how he keeps initiating contact considering I never initiate it. But then, my responses are usually enthusiastic.

He keeps you around because you serve a purpose. I.e. he uses you against his wife. It's quite possible that he orchestrated the whole falling out between you two in the first place. So yes. If you're not ready to block and delete, at least be unenthusiastic. Grey rock him - give the blandest, least interested, most unemotional responses to everything he says.

Him: We need to meet up! I'd love you to meet the baby.
You: I'll have to get back to you about that.

Then you never get back to him.

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 15:33

@beastlyslumber

He's shown he's not a friend - he's using you to triangulate his wife, and her to triangulate you. Just cut him out of your life. Please don't send a card or anything like that. They don't care about you. They will just use it as ammunition against you. Just go silent. It's the most effective tool you have

Thank you. You’re probably right. My therapist used the term triangulation too…this was even before the fallout. But what does triangulation mean exactly?

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QueenHofScotland · 20/08/2021 15:35

And stop arranging things on his behalf.

Once enough time has passed you will be in a position to genuinely say to mutual friends “oh I’ve not spoken to him for ages” and let them organise things.

@Mummyford my take on it is that the OP is worried how she will be thought of in the wider group. If this guy says “she ignores my messages and I didn’t do anything wrong”

Especially as he sounds like one of life’s “popular people” who people seem to like for no apparent reason. I can understand why the OP is worried. Although it’s a shame she can’t be honest with the rest of the group.

QueenHofScotland · 20/08/2021 15:36

@beastlyslumber

I’m amazed at how he keeps initiating contact considering I never initiate it. But then, my responses are usually enthusiastic.

He keeps you around because you serve a purpose. I.e. he uses you against his wife. It's quite possible that he orchestrated the whole falling out between you two in the first place. So yes. If you're not ready to block and delete, at least be unenthusiastic. Grey rock him - give the blandest, least interested, most unemotional responses to everything he says.

Him: We need to meet up! I'd love you to meet the baby.
You: I'll have to get back to you about that.

Then you never get back to him.

Isn’t it possible that he likes the OP? Even though he isn’t the best of friends he might also feel a connection given the close relationship that they once shared.

Maybe I’m naive but it seems a bit insulting to the OP to dismiss the idea that he might like her and her company - doesn’t mean he’s a good friend though!

southernbellenot · 20/08/2021 15:37

OP I think you need to take responsibility of your own behaviour here. I think you are drawn to very toxic relationships and this is why you can not let this man go and I don't believe for one minute when you leave this thread you will cut contact.

He is playing with you for a bimonthly ego boost.

His wife probably got close to you to make sure you wasn't shagging her husband

When you fell out she was nasty to you as that probably what she always felt about you

You love him OP and you need to admit that to yourself. He will never be yours but he will use you for admiration and ego boosting. You even think that him showing his nasty side is only reserved for people close to him - as if this makes you special.

Its pretty fucked up OP