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Question for the cheaters out there

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Runrabbitw · 16/08/2021 20:44

I’m not looking to start a witch hunt, but I’d really like to hear from people who have cheated and how they can live with it? I would be an anxious mess if I did something like that, I’m trying to wrap my head around how my ex can do it. I’ve spent the last 2 years falling for his lies and I just don’t understand. I don’t think he is a nasty person, but how does he keep on doing it , knowing that he is hurting me?
How do people flip from one person to another, over and over?

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DisneyMillie · 21/08/2021 07:52

I’m not even sure you have to be unhappy with an aspect of your life, let alone relationship, to cheat.

I cheated when I was much much younger in a relationship that I would say was the love of my life - I was just monumentally selfish and found the ego boost / excitement too much of a draw. I don’t think I considered I might lose him - I learnt from it and wouldn’t behave that way again.

My exh I think was very similar - he was “a player” - I’m pretty sure he cheated constantly through our 11 year relationship - he thought he was great and loved that others did too. I don’t think he’d have ever left me though, it took me finally having enough of it and leaving him to end our relationship.

My current dh falls into the unhappy category. But I’m positive it wasn’t our relationship he was unhappy with (and he / counselling agrees) we booked and planned a wedding during his affair and he was very much involved in wanting to marry - in our case it was a difficult pregnancy / reality / fear of a baby that he was having escapism from and someone at work was willing to provide it. I believe he won’t do it again after seeing the devastation it caused.

All of the above were people acting like arseholes but I don’t think any of the relationships we’re to blame.

Thewookiemustgo · 21/08/2021 18:28

@Onthedunes as usual another spot-on post.
I agree that not all who cheat are unhappy with their marriage. There are NO excuses here, by the way. This is just to illustrate a point. None of this is an excuse and he’s never used one. He owned all his own shit. Nor is this a ‘poor him’ story. He was a colossal shit at the time. It’s where the unhappiness lay which in his case led to an epic fail when tempted.
He is a high-flyer/achiever who had a surprise redundancy from a top firm which was actually a first-in type situation (they closed an entire office out of the blue) which even though it was nothing to do with his work clearly dented his self esteem. Some of his colleagues took it to court and lost (didn’t have a prayer against such a massive powerful company) and the whole thing left a very nasty taste. Add this to the midlife crisis, middle aged man in a job he thought was a bit beneath him after the previous Monopoly money job, long commute away, big city, after work drinks in very trendy places with large amounts of young people and it was a toxic soup of someone desperately in need of an ego boost far from home (who would ever find out?) surrounded by people 20 years younger than him in a ‘singles’ culture.
Back up the rabbit hole from work at home, however, he was happy with me, the kids, everything else. He booked and planned family holidays, enjoyed them, took me out as a couple, we had sex, slept in the same bed, booked trips, talked about the future and our retirement. Never said he was unhappy with me or his life, never looked it and initiated loads of family/couple stuff himself. He never seemed anything other than his usual self. Because at home, he was happy.
In his working life, however, he was insecure, desperately trying to prove himself in a new job and feeling less than the high flying guy he always had been. He didn’t say a word to anyone about this, even to me. I’d supported him through the redundancy and his “fuck ‘em, their loss.” attitude convinced me completely that he knew his worth and all was well. It wasn’t. The come on from a young, pretty foreign woman in a bar after work was all his flagging ego needed.
No, he wasn’t seduced by an evil woman, before I get lynched for blaming her, it was his choice to then pursue her and cheat, it’s on him, not her. What I’m saying is that all the circumstances lined up for a man who was actually happy at home, just feeling less-than in his self esteem and work life. The attention and flattery from a younger, attractive woman was a crutch, just like drink or drugs, to bolster a flagging ego. The high from the affair was just as addictive. He couldn’t believe he’d managed to attract a woman 17 years younger than him who told him he was God’s gift and was high on the Billy Big Bollocks factor.
I see how it happened, but it’s no excuse. He should have walked away. In the end it happened because he let it.
No circumstances are an excuse for cheating, but you sure don’t have to always be unhappy at home to cheat, you just have to be unhappy in some aspect of your life for which attention from an unexpected source, unearned flattery and freely available sex fill the void. And then weak enough in character to choose it.
That’s why I was so blindsided. I wasn’t in denial or refusing to see stuff that was right under my nose, nor was I gullible. My life was as normal as it had ever been. Because he was happy at home. It doesn’t make me feel better to believe this, it’s just true. Him being really unhappy at home would have made it more understandable.
Happy/ unhappy is neither here nor there, it’s what you do when faced with the temptation that separates cheaters from non-cheaters. We’ve all been tempted at some point in a long marriage, but we’ve not all cheated.

TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 21/08/2021 19:06

Him being really unhappy at home would have made it more understandable.

Exactly this, for me too. I've been told by friends and counsellors alike that, if anything, I blame myself too much to make it easier to understand. If there was something obviously lacking in our relationship, I'd have been able to move on far easier. I could pin the fault on itm pledge to learn from the experience and move on.

But there hasn't been - at least anything beyond the usual ups and downs all couples encounter and even, then, we had it better than most. And its a nightmare, because I feel stuck in a limbo because of it. I'm not someone who's black and white and who is happily able to own my faults. So saying "its because this person was selfish" is very hard - especially when this person was my best friend until I literally discovered the affair.

I think its something you can't understand until you've been there. I certainly wouldn't have before it happened to me. It's the number one source of me being unable to start a relationship with anyone else. Because I desperately want to know what was "wrong" with our relationship and no matter how hard I look, there's nothing. We did couples counselling. Nothing. I've talked to a therapist. Nothing (in fact they told me: "why on Earth aren't you angry?"). And, so long as this fault remains unknown to me, I'll ruin whatever relationship I get into next too. Because, at the end of the day, I was happy and didn't want to cheat - so the fault couldn't be with her. So, if the relationship was wonky, it must have been because of me.

And yet... nothing. Even from my ex. I'm told I actually delude myself I have faults I don't have or overexagerate my flaws just to find an explanation.

Crikeyalmighty · 21/08/2021 19:44

@Thewookiemustgo. Very similar situation here as you know. No real signs of unhappiness and indeed has stated he wasn’t remotely unhappy with me on a personal level but circumstances were making him very unhappy in other aspects of life - quite understandably , it was a shit time for me too. Cue attractive , intelligent single young thing, lots of work trips, some nice sunny places, and a mass distraction from real life’s shit. I have stayed but will never trust the same again , however I think it’s important to add our stories so that lovely women on here don’t think ‘there must have been something missing/obviously wrong for them to do this. There wasn’t remotely a sniff relationship wise apart from the fact he was a bit down generally .

Onthedunes · 21/08/2021 22:44

@Crikeyalmighty

That is a very good point Crikey, some poor woman will be at the start of this awful journey of questioning her sanity whilst her husband and the ow re write history.

The fact of the matter is many of the ow on this board spout about how their affair partner's marriage was awful, when in reality in many situations it only became awful when the husband met the ow.

I really don't think it's pleasant or fair for someone whose has known a person for such a short time to cast judgement on someone who has been in a long term marriage, it is incomparable. It is victim blaming and only serves to ease the guilt of the perpatrator.

It is very cruel to point the blame at someone who blameless, the semantics of the relationship should not even be up for discussion with a third party when someone is married, that in itself is wrong beyond compare.

Thewookiemustgo · 21/08/2021 23:10

@Crikeyalmighty sorry it happened to you too. Just before I found out what was going on I noticed he was getting a bit distant, blamed it on work stress. He’d never stayed away overnight, it all happened during the working day/ early evening. ‘Drinks after work’ a couple of nights a week or the odd ‘late meeting’ were pretty usual and explainable, never came back really late, like a twat I had actually said I was glad he’d apparently got a good group of guys to have an after work drink with. He’d suddenly arranged a ‘drinking weekend’ with a group of former colleagues he’d worked with and socialised with for years one weekend and seemed really odd when telling me about it. Because it was total bollocks, it was a night in a 5 star hotel with her. She’d been nagging to spend the night with him and actually wanted a weekend city break or spa hotel weekend abroad but he’d thought it was crazy and too risky. He’d always thought the weekend idea was nuts but decided his excuse was good enough. Nothing added up about it somehow and when I said so he tried to laugh it off and play it down. He went on the Saturday morning (one night away) after being weird and avoiding talking to me almost that morning. He’d totally compartmentalised it and kept it all at work, leaving the house on a weekend to see her brought it ‘home’ and he got a glimpse of the total shit he was being. I found my proof after he came home on the Sunday. I did a day’s digging when I had the house to myself on the Monday and confronted him calmly that night in bed. He didn’t deny anything and his relief at my finally knowing was short lived in the shitshow that followed. He knew he’d ruined his happy home life for nothing. He had sparkly turd syndrome. A dose of reality took the sparkles off it instantly and he saw it for what it was in comparison to all he had at home. I know he’d have left if he’d not been happy with me. He’d got plenty of cash and a good job near her, no financial problems whatsoever, even if we divorced, and he knew I would never stop the kids from seeing him. However I told him he knew where the door was, I didn’t plead or do the pick me dance. I told him he could just go if he wanted without a big scene and I’d tell the kids in the morning. I said he was to pack a bag there and then if he wanted her and fuck off as I was nobody’s mug. He was horrified, not relieved and ready to go.

Just4n0w · 21/08/2021 23:20

I struggled with my sex drive and self-esteem after being raped. My partner was too scared of hurting me to see me as a sexual person for years. I cheated bc I needed positive sexual contact. It ended some time ago, and over the last few months my DP has started to view me sexually again. He doesn't know that i cheated.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 22/08/2021 12:18

Just4n0w
That’s probably the most positive cheating story I’ve heard
Sometimes you do need to road test sexuality a bit
I hope you can forgive yourself and stay happy with your current partner x

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