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Bastard bingo - full house!!

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helplesshopeless · 16/08/2021 06:59

Hi everyone, just creating a new thread for those interested as my second is nearly full now! I'll link back to the old one once mumsnet's browser is back up and running Grin

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OMGisthisforreal · 18/01/2022 05:11

Hi helplesshopeless
I keep checking in from time to time to see how you are doing.
As you’ve not posted since Christmas Day I hope you are doing OK?

AMSA · 18/01/2022 08:00

Happy 2022 all and @helplesshopeless I so hope life is continuing to go smoothly and safely for you and your DD.

A podcast I have discovered may be of interest to some/all of you: Something Was Wrong

First hand accounts of people's experiences in toxic/mentally abusive friendships and relationships. The red flags they ignored and the behaviour they tolerated. Plus the accounts from their friends and family seeing the change in their loved ones and the red flags they too ignored - all in the next of education and hopefully preventing others from having the same experiences.
I am finding it addictive.

pca.st/podcast/a5c22c30-e576-0136-3249-08b04944ede4

AMSA · 18/01/2022 08:00

*name not next

helplesshopeless · 02/02/2022 11:33

@AMSA and @OMGisthisforreal thank you so much for checking in and I'm sorry for the late response- I work in tax so January was my insanely busy period!

Things are ok with me. I'm still up and down with the guilt but that is definitely lessoning and I'm feeling slightly more level headed overall. I think I'm still grieving the loss of a family unit for my daughter, but I suppose that's a normal feeling after a divorce when a young child is involved? I just feel like everything is going to be so much more difficult, eg I was thinking about fun holidays for when she's older then remembered that no doubt exh will be awkward and not allow us more than a week away, which limits our adventures somewhat!

Meanwhile exh has decided he wants an extra day a fortnight (which would bring it up to 50/50, he has 6/14 at the moment). I've refused and said if he wants to pursue it he can go through our solicitors. His argument is that he goes from Thursday to Tuesday on my weekends without seeing her, which I understand, but that's just how the pattern has to fall while she's not in school. I ask if he wants to do something with her every weekend that I have her eg take her to the park or out for lunch, and he's never taken me up on it; yet now he's decided that period of absence isn't acceptable.

Of course now I've refused he's back to being an awful bully, he's told me I'm denying him reasonable time with his daughter and he expects, 'as is his right,' 50% of her time, I'm turning her against him, and I can never set foot on his property again. He was whispering threats and abuse to me (with her stood right there; I don't think she heard but she def picked up on weirdness ) when I last picked her up from his house. So im back to carrying the recording device on me whenever we have handover.

We agreed a few things when I switched around the weekends for him (so he could have time with his new gf) and one was that I'd be able to take her camping with my friends and their children on Easter bank holiday weekend - switching the weekends meant that that would be his weekend so I said that I wanted to still take her if I agreed to the switch. Of course now I'm not complying with him he's said I can forget about taking her away camping.

It just feels like there's always going to be a huge cloud over me - either I back down and give him what he wants in terms of contact, or I have unpleasantness and uncooperation from him at every turn Sad he'll use everything he can with first day at school, bdays etc., to make it as difficult as possible until I agree to his terms.

Why are men such dickheads?!

Hope all of you lovely ladies are doing well and that 2022 has got off to a good start for you all! Thanks

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Cavagirl · 04/02/2022 10:18

Oh so nice to hear from you @helplesshopeless and you sound so much stronger now. How are things with the guy from work?

It just feels like there's always going to be a huge cloud over me - either I back down and give him what he wants in terms of contact, or I have unpleasantness and uncooperation from him at every turn sad he'll use everything he can with first day at school, bdays etc., to make it as difficult as possible until I agree to his terms.

Yes this is the only remaining power he has now - but notice what how limited it is - all he can do is be an arse and whisper abuse to you. How utterly pathetic.

But - and you know this - you can never appease him to the extent that he will stop. He will just repeat the cycle every time, because that's all he knows. So there is no point rewarding his behaviour by giving in. All you are doing is showing him that it works. So - grey rock - contemporaneous notes and records about everything - and let the nonsense and game playing be like water off a duck's back to you. Well done for routing him through the solicitor!! Thank God you don't have to live with him anymore! How is your lovely new home?

RandomMess · 04/02/2022 23:01

You need to step up with the grey rock and accept that there will be zero cooperation and co-parenting with him.

Accept you will only have your allotted days. He wants a swap only if you get your extra /swapped time first because you can't trust him not to renegade on a deal.

He is still trying to bully and you are still stuck trying to appease him because you subconsciously seem to think it's your fault/you need to pay penance.

The family unit was toxic for a long time and you have rescued DD from that environment- thank goodness!

Alcemeg · 06/02/2022 11:50

Urrrggghhhh, so he continues to show his true colours -- I'm so sorry you have to deal with this! Flowers

no doubt exh will be awkward and not allow us more than a week away, which limits our adventures somewhat!
True, but just think how much more limited your adventures would be if you had opted to spend a lifetime with this bully in control. How amazing that you found the strength to get out and start building a brighter future for you and your daughter.

He was whispering threats and abuse to me (with her stood right there; I don't think she heard but she def picked up on weirdness ) when I last picked her up from his house
One day, I hope, you and your daughter will have a conversation where she acknowledges what a relief it was for her to get away from this deeply sinister and strange man.

Things will get better with time. You've absolutely done the best you could to make the situation OK, and the rest is out of your hands. Good advice from PPs above! Don't give him the satisfaction of seeing you upset and fretful. Try to focus on the little things that are good, and let their light grow, until one day you find these dark and looming clouds have passed.

RandomMess · 06/02/2022 12:00

Once DD is at school it's time to review contact including how to divide the school holidays. In the summer is perfectly reasonable that you each have 2 block weeks and they are the same each year and run from Fridays to enable holidays abroad etc.

Mix56 · 07/02/2022 10:29

Good to go via sol. she can remind him you have offered more than generous time at the week ends, but he has refused as he wants to have free time with new woman.
If he refuses Easter w/e changes, you just say, "Oh well, thats a shame, DD would have loved it". The more he knows it upsets you, the more he'll do it
When he next wants a swop, just say, Nope, (tralala),... same as for me at Easter.
If he starts whispering, you say loudly, "why are you whispering ?"
or Just walk off, you don't actually need to speak to him, it can all be by email

2DogsOnMySofa · 07/02/2022 11:40

The best thing I ever did with my ex, re contact was never ever to ask him for anything, and make provisions my side should I need help. That way he never has anything to use against me. Next time your ex asks you for help or to swap or change routines, simple refuse, on the basis of the dc need routine. He'll get a new gf and probably want to swap again, these types always want to move dates to suit themselves

Even with a court order the judge will expect you to sort things like Easter and Xmas between yourself so it wouldn't have helped in this case.

His behaviour makes my blood boil so how you've not buried him under the patio is beyond me. Thanks

helplesshopeless · 07/02/2022 14:29

Does anyone know if I actually have much chance of fighting against him getting an extra night?

He's just messaged me again demanding 50-50 and saying 'Fortunately the courts these days are recognising the total bias towards mums that has existed in the past and I know I will have no problem achieving this.' (Urgh I hate the arrogant way he talks)

I don't really know on what grounds I could fight it outside of him being an enormous knob?! I don't think trying to prove him being abusive towards me during our separation will achieve anything based on what I understand of the courts at the moment..

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Grrrpredictivetex · 07/02/2022 16:31

@helplesshopeless do you still have contact with your lawyer? Get proper advice and start making plans if incase this goes to court. I've no legal training so no real idea, however it sounds as if he's returned to Mr Bully again. Good luck.

2DogsOnMySofa · 07/02/2022 20:34

Don't engage with him op. If that's his message he hasn't actually asked you a question so ignore it. If he's demanded it again don't answer. If you feel you need to respond send 'I've made myself clear on 50/50' and leave it at that.

Use this time to speak to a solicitor. It might be worth letting him take you to court, having it court ordered, even 50/50 may help you in the long run as it can help stop him playing silly buggers with you all the time.

helplesshopeless · 08/02/2022 07:45

Oh that was part of a longer conversation where he threw in loads of annoying comments 🙈 so I was already engaged, despite best attempts to grey rock!! apparently my only motivation for not giving him that final night is financial (ie so I can claim maintenance, which he's already bullied me out of doing). And he doesn't know how I sleep at night, and presumably I don't actually sleep and that's why I look so awful etc.

Latest saga is that I was about to book a holiday for us at the end of March and asked him for her passport details. He said I wasn't allowed to take her in March as our solicitors correspondences states we give each other 3 months notice of a holiday (which i'd totally forgotten, I don't even know why they put that in, annoying!!). So now he's enjoying reminding me that I'm very keen to stick to the current agreement and I need to put my holiday proposal into an email for him to consider AngryI was only choosing March to avoid her having her holiday directly in between the two he'd already booked!! Rahhhh. The most annoying thing is that I know he'll be at home sneering and laughing at this situation as I can't do anything about it other than hope he agrees to this 'short notice' request. I know in reality I can just book it, but it would just result in a huge deal over how I've disregarded our agreements and so he can too. Plus he's holding her passport ransom for this little game 🙄he's suck a dick.

Re my solicitor, I can get back in touch with her but actually I think I'd rather try some other recommendations. She's very much 'focus on what is best for dd' which is obviously what's important but I also need someone who is ready to engage to fight and knows how to deal with these kind of people. My current sol is too nice I think.

@Cavagirl you asked about the friend from work - I don't mention him much here as I'm so conscious of how we started and I feel like that's tainted things a bit Sad but to answer your question, he's wonderful!! I honestly wouldn't be coping with all this nonsense without him. He listens patiently to me rant about exh every day at the moment and is a constant source of support.

Anyway, thank you everyone for your messages, sorry I've been brain dumping and not responding to each of your points! Happy Tuesday lovely ladies Thanks

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helplesshopeless · 08/02/2022 07:53

Ooh, in nicer news my new house is due to complete on 10th March!! So I'm busy looking at settees and things. My daughter is very keen to get a pet rabbit once we're settled in Smile looking forward to getting out of this rental house and into a lovely fresh newly built home!

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helplesshopeless · 08/02/2022 07:59

Oo, terrible typo in my first post...it should obviously say 'sucH a dick,' instead of suck...😳

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RandomMess · 08/02/2022 08:04

Honestly just claim maintenance. Will help pay towards your legal costs!

Mix56 · 08/02/2022 08:11

Hoorah for nan friend !!! Just remember not to off load all the time!!! He may want a turn !!!
So did XH book his 2 holidays with the 3 month rule ?
Because 2 can play that game.
There seems to be a pattern, he wants something, is nice for a while, & you being the normal reasonable human being, agree, then when you want something he ups the bid or refuses

helplesshopeless · 08/02/2022 08:22

@Mix56 yes he did unfortunately!! Purely by luck, and he clearly only remembered this condition after looking for something to trip me up on. You're absolutely right regarding the pattern. He's actually ramped it all up again recently as the money from the house transfer has now come through - he was clearly trying to keep me sweet before that in case he didn't meet the consent order deadline which would have meant I could have forced a sale if I'd wanted to. As soon as that was sorted he started this latest campaign.

@RandomMess unfortunately the current agreement per the consent order limits this to the childcare vouchers that are deducted from me which he reimburses (as he has agreed to pay for nursery until September) - I'd only proposed this to prove that I wasn't going to go after more money in the first place, to try and placate him 🙄

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RandomMess · 08/02/2022 08:55

He is a very nasty bully and ultimately you're going to end up on court.

Keep your powder dry. Grey rock.

Honestly I would forget about the holiday. Book for a different time, it's all power games.

helplesshopeless · 11/02/2022 09:51

Ahh I hate this. I knew it was a power game on his part but I sent an email anyway as I figured at best he'd agree and if not then he'd show his dickishness...and he went for the latter option spectacularly!

Some extracts from his email...

Before I review your request can you please clarify that you consider it reasonable to diverge from the terms of the original agreement that we had? [...] This leaves me somewhat confused that you are deadset to stick to the terms of the agreement in certain areas, yet dismissive of other terms as and when it suits your particular desires

His 'confusion' above is due to me refusing to change the contact arrangements, which apparently is comparable to how many months' notice are needed for a holiday.

I have been very flexible to adapt to the fact that you work part time, a decision made as a family which you have used to your advantage in our separation, and left me to pick up the nursery bill for.

Actually, he's paying the nursery bill for days i AM working, so im saving him money really 😏

We are miles away from a 50:50 split, which should be the default position, and the fact that you are unable to accept this is absolute hypocrisy. It's strange that you are so passionate about sex discrimination and gender equality, yet you yourself are guilty of discriminating against me as a father and my rights to see my daughter

I mean URGH. I have two options:

  1. just start a fresh email requesting he agrees to a holiday in June
  2. respond and point out that that he didn't bother to reply to my solicitors letter proposing the 3 month notice for holiday, and also point out that that the same letter stated we should not introduce our daughter to any new partners before 6month, which he disregarded. But that I will book a holiday for June as I am not having him manipulate the situation.

What should I do?

I hate this, it's really getting me down to be honest that this is my life and my daughter's life. He's the worst person I know.

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DollyBantry · 11/02/2022 10:00

Go for option 1. You can’t argue with stupid. Or an arsehole.

2DogsOnMySofa · 11/02/2022 11:16

Go for option one.

As I read it, he's not asked any direct questions about the dc so no need to get sucked into an argument. As a pp said, you can't argue with stupid.

Dear kh

I hope you are well. (Just to piss him off). I'm emailing you to inform you that I will taking the dc on holiday on x dates.

Kindest regards (again just to piss him off)

Help.

RandomMess · 11/02/2022 11:23

Option 1 every time.

Do not deviate from the contact agreement or even ask it. Just accept it, minimise contact with him and refuse all requests from him likewise unless

a) it works better for you and
b) you get something you want first.

Play the long game.

When she starts school it's a natural time to switch to 50:50, so decide version of that works best in your situation. Ensure he gets his share of the weird part time days to start with and 50% of school holidays and INSET days to cover.

Hang onto her passport until he needs it again so he is the automatic "holder" of it. You can just say - oh I need it for a weekend away/book something Wink

Alcemeg · 11/02/2022 14:44

I hate this, it's really getting me down ... He's the worst person I know.

I'm so sorry to hear how awful things are for you right now, OP. I guess you always knew they would be. But everything worth having comes at a price, and the thing worth having is NOT BEING MARRIED TO THIS BASTARD ANY MORE!!!!!!

Things will get easier with time.

Just think, in 3, 5, 7, 10, ... 70 years' time.. how happy you will be that you took this decision and went through all this now, rather than later.

Flowers
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