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Bastard bingo - full house!!

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helplesshopeless · 16/08/2021 06:59

Hi everyone, just creating a new thread for those interested as my second is nearly full now! I'll link back to the old one once mumsnet's browser is back up and running Grin

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RandomMess · 11/10/2021 13:48

FFS

RandomMess · 11/10/2021 13:48

I wouldn't agree to private as he'll use it in the divorce to argue for more money/assets/pay less maintenance and so on.

FoxgloveSummers · 11/10/2021 13:56

This is really more of a rhetorical question but WHY does he think he gets to be Boss Parent?

I hate this guy.

Just remember OP, he doesn't get to "make you" do things like let him choose her school or bring DD's passport back for example. He can cajole and persuade and be an all-round dick but he can't make you.

FantasticButtocks · 11/10/2021 14:07

@helplesshopeless

He's now saying he wants to just send her straight to a private school rather than our lovely local primary and that he'll find a way to pay for it 🙄

He can't take that decision unilaterally. He is getting a righteous angry thrill by winding you up. Don't let him see it's working. Just calmly get your solicitor to deal with him.

tiramisualwaystiramisu · 11/10/2021 16:08

Are you in England? I'm due to apply for primary school for my youngest and you can't apply yet - applications don't open until next month. I'd be really surprised if he was able to submit an application and this isn't just another way to wind you up. Definitely something for the solicitor to handle

bigbaggyeyes · 11/10/2021 18:33

It's nothing the schools won't have heard before if you submit your own application. I'd ring up the admissions board tomorrow, explain the situation and take their recommendations. You might find he's out down the school you also wanted, if that's the case you can leave him thinking he's won and still get what you want. If not you can put your own request in and take it from there. You don't have to tell him you're doing any of this. Sometimes it really is a case of picking your battles and giving him as little information as possible

helplesshopeless · 11/10/2021 21:07

Well it appears he was just messing me re the application. I emailed him saying he must send me a copy or I would contact admissions. He emailed back saying 'I haven't submitted any applications, I thought we agreed we would discuss and do that together? I don't know why you're getting so confused, maybe you're feeling tired?'

@tiramisualwaystiramisu yes also England so I guess that is our answer once and for all! I didn't realise they weren't open yet but I hadn't thought about making the application quite yet so am a bit clueless.

I'm in the bad books with him tonight - took my daughter to the rental today and she loved it - she was really keen to stay overnight tonight as she wanted to write a letter to post through the fairy door and see if they replied overnight. So I said yes (in the knowledge that I'd be punished for not obtaining permission first from him!) because he was away tonight anyway so I wouldn't be keeping her from him so didn't see that he could reasonably object. Emailed him out of courtesy to let him know we weren't at home and that she was enjoying being here and got a load of berating emails back about how we'd expressly agreed she wouldn't stay over on the first visit (we hadn't agreed that, but it hadn't occurred to me she'd be begging to stay over and so I hadn't floated it as a possibility), I'm always disregarding his views, I have an overinflated view of my own importance and parenting skills, blah blah blah. He ended the email with

"You do not change the agreed plans without DISCUSSING with me first. You do not 'FYI' me on anything to do with DD's care. How rude and arrogant you are."

URGH!!

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BiddyPop · 11/10/2021 21:40

If he is not at home tonight, then you are doing the parenting regardless. So whether you physically sleep in your own beds, in the new house, go stay with your family, end up having to take her to hospital after a bad fall.....it's irrelevant to him as he is not parenting tonight. You are allowed to make your own plans, and to change those if you need to for whatever reason you feel is necessary.

RandomMess · 11/10/2021 21:44

Stop informing about anything on your time with her.

He is trying to gaslight you. He is very nasty and abusive.

Thanks
Cavagirl · 11/10/2021 21:50

😂😂😂 sorry OP, really have to laugh.

He basically could have written "STOP HAVING YOUR OWN MIND! STOP THINKING WITHOUT ME!" grumpy foot stamp

Classic, I'm chuckling. He's in for a wake up isn't he about what co-parenting actually means. Try hard to resist replying "oh no we talked about this...I don't know why you're getting so confused, maybe you're feeling tired?"

Well done and I hope the fairy brings DD a lovely letter 💜 What a lovely mum you are

SpringCrocus · 11/10/2021 21:50

Nip all of his lies and gaslighting in the bud NOW.
He has no right to tell you anything, he has no right to demand anything, he is gaslighting you about the admissions process.
Tell him to fuck off.

SpringCrocus · 11/10/2021 21:51

He is not the boss of you, or DD, anymore

Mix56 · 11/10/2021 22:06

He us playing games & loving every minute of his mind games.
Di what you want... you are financially & physically free of this mind fuck now

Gerwurtztraminer · 11/10/2021 22:25

Oh for godsake he's so exhausting and joy sucking - he's like a Dementor from Harry Potter - just reading it is is energy draining less alone living it.

You have the patience and restraint of a bloody Saint. How you haven't gouged his entrails out with a teaspoon yet I don't know.

freeatlast2021 · 11/10/2021 22:29

@Gerwurtztraminer

Oh for godsake he's so exhausting and joy sucking - he's like a Dementor from Harry Potter - just reading it is is energy draining less alone living it.

You have the patience and restraint of a bloody Saint. How you haven't gouged his entrails out with a teaspoon yet I don't know.

Exactly!
bigbaggyeyes · 11/10/2021 22:45

This is your time with dd, as long as she's safe and sound then he has no say in what you do. Unfortunately that also applies to his time.

I know it's difficult but you really need to put some boundaries in place. Don't email or respond back to him unless he's asked a specific question about your dd. His parting shot on the email didn't ask you anything, so don't respond.

Although I'd have to really restrain myself from telling him he had agreed with it and maybe he was tired and therefore mistaken

FantasticButtocks · 11/10/2021 23:53

@helplesshopeless

Well it appears he was just messing me re the application. I emailed him saying he must send me a copy or I would contact admissions. He emailed back saying 'I haven't submitted any applications, I thought we agreed we would discuss and do that together? I don't know why you're getting so confused, maybe you're feeling tired?'

@tiramisualwaystiramisu yes also England so I guess that is our answer once and for all! I didn't realise they weren't open yet but I hadn't thought about making the application quite yet so am a bit clueless.

I'm in the bad books with him tonight - took my daughter to the rental today and she loved it - she was really keen to stay overnight tonight as she wanted to write a letter to post through the fairy door and see if they replied overnight. So I said yes (in the knowledge that I'd be punished for not obtaining permission first from him!) because he was away tonight anyway so I wouldn't be keeping her from him so didn't see that he could reasonably object. Emailed him out of courtesy to let him know we weren't at home and that she was enjoying being here and got a load of berating emails back about how we'd expressly agreed she wouldn't stay over on the first visit (we hadn't agreed that, but it hadn't occurred to me she'd be begging to stay over and so I hadn't floated it as a possibility), I'm always disregarding his views, I have an overinflated view of my own importance and parenting skills, blah blah blah. He ended the email with

"You do not change the agreed plans without DISCUSSING with me first. You do not 'FYI' me on anything to do with DD's care. How rude and arrogant you are."

URGH!!

You don't need to inform him of every move or decision you make. Nothing you do is going to make him feel well disposed to you, and that is something you now need to be bearing in mind.

He is acting as though he is in charge. He's just grabbing hold of the steering wheel and jerking it any way he pleases. BUT you are not his passenger with no will or choice of the direction you're going, you are NOT EVEN IN THE CAR!

You are free and you have autonomy.

Just get on with your own plans for you and dd, and don't feel obliged to keep listening to his nonsense, let alone keeping him informed of details out of an attempt to 'be good' because that won't serve you well.

It's so lovely that dd is excited about her new home. But he doesn't want that. He doesn't understand that YOU are her home, he thinks he has the advantage because you're the one 'leaving home'. He thinks because he's still going to be in the house that she grew up in, that dd will think of it as her real home.

But, especially after his recent alarming behaviour, YOU are the parent she trusts and feels safe with, you = home, doesn't matter where it is. But a fairy door helps obviously Wink

Weenurse · 12/10/2021 06:32

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Grrrpredictivetex · 12/10/2021 13:45

@helplesshopeless maybe reply
'We didn't agree to that. I don't know why you're getting so confused, maybe you're feeling tired?' 😉

helplesshopeless · 12/10/2021 14:33

Just been reading the thread 'when does the OW stop being the OW' and there's so many comments about how affairs are inexcusable (don't disagree obviously) especially when children are involved, and it can really negatively impact the child's life for years and they never forgive the affair parent. it's made me feel totally totally awful, especially as I know exh will always always be bitter and resentful and make the coparenting as difficult as possible. And that's without bringing OM into it somewhere down the line! Everything is SUCH a mess.

Following his reaction to us staying here last night, what does everyone think about tomorrow night? I wanted to move here permanently from Thursday with her but he didn't want us to leave until Friday. However, I am anticipating her asking to stay over on Thursday night as we'll spend the day here again to show my parents her room and the fairies etc. She was already questioning why I was spending one last night at daddy's house on Thursday! It's my day and my weekend, there's no reason to stay at his other than the fact that he wants us to and wants to take her to nursery on Friday.

Should I give him warning that if she wants to stay here Thursday night I'll say yes? Or just not mention it at all?

I'm pretty much all moved in to the rental now! I've taken the day off work to move and am sat on the settee watching squid games (seriously weird!!), trying to summon up the energy to unpack and sort stuff. My daughter is with him tues/weds night and I really miss her already 💔

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SpringCrocus · 12/10/2021 14:46

Why are you even questioning doing it?
He is not the boss of you any more.
If its your turn to have DD, then it is YOUR decision and he doesn't get a say.
Move on Thurs, take DD with you.

RandomMess · 12/10/2021 15:22

He's not the boss. If he's asked to take her to nursery Friday and you agreed to that then drop her home in time for him to take her to nursery.

RandomMess · 12/10/2021 15:25

Why is he taking her to nursery if Thursday-Sunday are your days??

FantasticButtocks · 12/10/2021 15:31

You have her Thursday to Sunday. So just inform him (by text and after you're already there in your new place with dd) that actually she'll be with you on Thursday night and that you'll get her to nursery on Friday morning. Then don't read his reply.

helplesshopeless · 12/10/2021 15:31

I guess it's because we're kind of half way between the 'me at family home' and 'me in new home' scenario.

If I was at the family home he'd be going away this weekend and drop her at nursery on Friday. The agreed timetable for when I've moved out is thurs morning - tues morning with me on the weekends I have her. So there's no precedent! 😆

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