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13 year old son says he is Transgender

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WBNAS · 30/07/2021 09:51

I am looking for general support and advice from anyone who has experience of a similar situation.

My 13 year old son recently told me he wants to be a female, has chosen a new name. This has been a complete shock as I have seen no signs of this throughout his childhood. I responded in a calm and supportive manner, told him I would love him no matter what and that I'm glad he felt able to tell me how he's feeling. He's opened up a lot about what thoughts and feelings he has since last October and I've really tried to be open and honest with him, explaining that puberty can make us question our sexuality, gender and general purpose of self all of which is completely normal. I have not trivialised what he is saying but also not taken it as definite, which he seems to accept. I'm happy for him to experiment with clothing,, hair, painting nails etc but told him I feel he needs to let puberty run its course before deciding he definitely wants to be a female. I have told him for the time-being I can't simply change his name/pronoun and he is understanding of this. When I asked him to try to pinpoint how he began to come to this conclusion, he said it started with playing Minecraft online whereby his character had been accidentally put as female and his friends were laughing at it and he had a thought 'actually I wouldn't mind being female', it has progressed from there.

A little about him - I would say a typical boy, except not much interest in sport. Has a good circle of friends, some of whom he has told and are supportive. Has had one girlfriend age 12/13 for a few months. He spends a lot of time online animating and has actually sold commissions which is what he would like to do as a career which I am fully supportive of. He is very easy going and good hearted. I do find he can be a little sneaky e.g. going to bed then getting up when the rest of the house is asleep to go back online. But in general he has never given me any trouble at all.

I would like to know how anyone in my position has dealt with this. If I'm completely honest, I am hoping this is just something he is going through and will eventually pass, this is not because I am not going to be supportive and accepting, it's because I worry for what he is going to have to deal with in life and of course I want him to have the easiest life possible. My thoughts are that he may be influenced by things he's seen online? Is this a trend as has been suggested in some things I've read?

I want to reduce his internet usage without it appearing that I am punishing him for what he's told me. I want to trial whether coming away from the internet and the engagement he has with his followers etc will make a difference. However to set parental controls to no social media for example would block him accessing his animation account on twitter/youtube which would feel like a punishment to him.

Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Buggritbuggrit · 30/07/2021 11:45

I think that you might find Mermaids to be a helpful resource for both of you: mermaidsuk.org.uk/parents/resources-for-parents/

oxalisRed · 30/07/2021 11:52

I feel he needs to let puberty run its course before deciding he definitely wants to be a female

In which case you may want to avoid Mermaids, because they have been very pro-affirmation and intervention.

The Bayswater Support group is for parents in the same situation bayswatersupport.org.uk/

Also look at www.transgendertrend.com/

My daughter announced to us that she would like to be a boy, several months ago. It's been a steep learning curve for us.

StrawberrySquirrelThief · 30/07/2021 11:54

Try this group bayswatersupport.org.uk/ - would definitely give Mermaids a swerve.

Also try the LGBT parent section on here - there are some similar stories there.

MissyB1 · 30/07/2021 11:54

[quote Buggritbuggrit]I think that you might find Mermaids to be a helpful resource for both of you: mermaidsuk.org.uk/parents/resources-for-parents/[/quote]
No no no!! Stay away from Mermaids!! They fuck with kids minds.

MyDcAreMarvel · 30/07/2021 11:55

I think that you might find Mermaids to be a helpful resource for both of you: really do not agree.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 30/07/2021 12:01

Are his animations anime by any chance?

Could he have access to porn?

MichelleScarn · 30/07/2021 12:06

feel he needs to let puberty run its course before deciding he definitely wants to be a female

But he will never be 'female' he may choose to present in a way that society typically attributes to women, but being female is impossible.

GoodbyePorpoiseSpit · 30/07/2021 12:07

Mermaids are zealots. I follow them on Twitter as I’m interested in the gender debate... they seem honestly to have not considered safeguarding at all
I would limit internet access to be honest
Also, I think it’s a good idea to reach out to others and hopefully some people who have been through this can support you on here and even more hopefully find trans voices to give guidance. Lots of opinions swirling on this topic that aren’t always informed or taken from a position of inexperience ... as my mermaids comments shows I guess!

Onehotmess · 30/07/2021 12:09

I don’t have anything useful to add re: the transgender part of your question, however changing the WiFi password at 10pm /switching it off completely would stop the late night viewing. This is probably the right thing to do regardless as it’s not great for a young teen to have unregulated access 24/7

Onehotmess · 30/07/2021 12:11

@MichelleScarn no it isn’t. A person can have surgery/ hormones to transition, no just wear a dress .

KittenKong · 30/07/2021 12:16

So he’s a boy who likes ‘girl’ things (whatever the heck that is supposed to be). I hope you have explained the danger stereotypes to him. He can wear what he likes and enjoy ‘girl’ activities, even be attracted to boys.

This just means he is a boy who doesn’t conform to the ‘male’ stereotypes. Don’t label it. And try to keep him safe from the internet. Shock - people lie through their teeth for various reasons...

Look up Scott Newgent and Buck Angel, Fionne and Debbie, there are loads more (who tell it like it is and not sugar-coat with euphemisms and stories of ‘happily ever after’).

Anotheruser02 · 30/07/2021 12:17

[quote Onehotmess]@MichelleScarn no it isn’t. A person can have surgery/ hormones to transition, no just wear a dress .[/quote]
Really No. Hormones and cosmetic surgery of the genitals does not make a male a female, it helps them to present as one.

chemicalworld · 30/07/2021 12:21

can this thread not be used to debate transgender issues? It won't be helpful to the OP

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:25

Thanks for the replies. To address some points/questions:

I have blocked mermaids, gendered intelligence and stonewall purely from the negative feedback I've seen online and will definitely look at the resources that have been suggested.

The animations are mainly FNAF. I can't see how he'd access porn as both his mobile phone and the house wifi have parental controls on for any adult content however I have allowed social media - so he could well have been chatting to people about this.

I'm aware he can't physically become a female however gender isn't just about the physical, if it were I wouldn't be posting here. If in his mind and soul he believes he is female (and after letting puberty pass and after his mind and emotions have been allowed to mature) I cannot tell him he is not female, albeit trans female.

I have limited the internet just not sure whether to limit it further as I don't want him thinking he wishes he never told me. He has never had unregulated internet access 24/7.

He says he feels uncomfortable in his skin but doesn't have any particular body hangups. He wants to grow his hair and paint his nails, says he likes dresses but nothing girly, more goth-like. He pees standing up, chooses to use male body sprays etc and is so typcially boyish (I know that means nothing in reality)...just struggling to wrap my head around it all.

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ScaryHairyMcClary · 30/07/2021 12:28

@Onehotmess it’s important though not to give the impression that with hormones/surgery, you literally become female, as some kids do think this.

I think you’ve done exactly the right thing: calm and supportive whilst not going along with social transitioning at this point. Encourage him to experiment with his looks if he wants to, but don’t refer to him as a girl. Make it clear that boys can wear nail polish etc.

Definitely limit internet/social media and try to get him to do other activities: sport, reading, hobbies with other kids in the real world. You could phrase it as a whole family effort to reduce screen time. I think a few months away from the animation or doing less of it will not hurt his career prospects in the long-run, but getting him off YouTube/social media is really important. The online perspective on these things is very rigid and it’s persuasive.

TalkingOutYerArse · 30/07/2021 12:29

[quote Buggritbuggrit]I think that you might find Mermaids to be a helpful resource for both of you: mermaidsuk.org.uk/parents/resources-for-parents/[/quote]
Please avoid this group OP. Safeguarding children really isnt a priority for them.

TalkingOutYerArse · 30/07/2021 12:29

[quote Onehotmess]@MichelleScarn no it isn’t. A person can have surgery/ hormones to transition, no just wear a dress .[/quote]
Still dont become female.

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:29

I have explained this very matternof factly whilst being supportive. I'm trying to give him examples of people who are male and dress in femine clothes e.g. Harry Styles. And I've explained the risks and that he may change his mind, which he acknowledges so he isn't saying 'this is 100% it'.

And thank you, yes I don't want to debate what makes a female etc etc. We all have our own opinions on this and I'm more focused on helping my son.

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ScaryHairyMcClary · 30/07/2021 12:31

And try not to worry too much. There is a strong chance that after going through puberty he will not continue to want to be a girl. You’re right to encourage his openness so certainly make sure you don’t associate any restrictions on internet use with his revelation. It could be for mental or physical health reasons/spending more time as a family/making new friends. You could even have some sort of prolonged disaster with the router that takes forever to get fixed…

KittenKong · 30/07/2021 12:31

So let him be (just understand boundaries of female only spaces, apeing horrible ‘female’ stereotypes etc).

My sister was (obviously) the exact opposite. And she had boyfriends until she got to about 16... my niece was the same. Both on same sex marriages now. Oh and my male cousin. And our old next door neighbour. All just people getting ok with doing their own thing. So it’s nothing new - it’s just more of a ‘trendy thing’ thanks to social media.

I think just avoid the term ‘trans’ - it’s pretty loaded. He is just a guy who doesn’t follow the ‘societal norms’ - show him ToTP from the 70 and 80s - it will blow his mind!

MrsWooster · 30/07/2021 12:32

op You sound like you’re handling this gently and carefully. He may well evolve through several different beliefs and attractions before discovering who and what he is. Watchful waiting.

TalkingOutYerArse · 30/07/2021 12:32

OP, you sound like a great parent and it's really amazing how you are both able to communicate so clearly with one another. The watch and wait approach seems to be the best thing in this instance. Just keep talking as and when.

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:33

@ScaryHairyMcClary thank you. It's such a lonely place to be as I know no one at all personally who's been through this. Guess I have to take one day at a time. Tomorrow I'm painting his nails black at his request and I've agreed he can experiment with clothing. My gut is telling me cut the internet completely but I'm trying not be be knee-jerk about this.

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 30/07/2021 12:34

Turn the internet off overnight when everyone is supposed to be sleeping.

Have a conversation about what he has been told on social media.

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:36

@KittenKong @MrsWooster @TalkingOutYerArse

Thank you all too. Feeling much better about how I'm handling it after all of the kind and informative posts.

I actually feel really proud of him, not for thinking he's trans per se, more about how he found the courage to open up about something so personal.

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