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13 year old son says he is Transgender

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WBNAS · 30/07/2021 09:51

I am looking for general support and advice from anyone who has experience of a similar situation.

My 13 year old son recently told me he wants to be a female, has chosen a new name. This has been a complete shock as I have seen no signs of this throughout his childhood. I responded in a calm and supportive manner, told him I would love him no matter what and that I'm glad he felt able to tell me how he's feeling. He's opened up a lot about what thoughts and feelings he has since last October and I've really tried to be open and honest with him, explaining that puberty can make us question our sexuality, gender and general purpose of self all of which is completely normal. I have not trivialised what he is saying but also not taken it as definite, which he seems to accept. I'm happy for him to experiment with clothing,, hair, painting nails etc but told him I feel he needs to let puberty run its course before deciding he definitely wants to be a female. I have told him for the time-being I can't simply change his name/pronoun and he is understanding of this. When I asked him to try to pinpoint how he began to come to this conclusion, he said it started with playing Minecraft online whereby his character had been accidentally put as female and his friends were laughing at it and he had a thought 'actually I wouldn't mind being female', it has progressed from there.

A little about him - I would say a typical boy, except not much interest in sport. Has a good circle of friends, some of whom he has told and are supportive. Has had one girlfriend age 12/13 for a few months. He spends a lot of time online animating and has actually sold commissions which is what he would like to do as a career which I am fully supportive of. He is very easy going and good hearted. I do find he can be a little sneaky e.g. going to bed then getting up when the rest of the house is asleep to go back online. But in general he has never given me any trouble at all.

I would like to know how anyone in my position has dealt with this. If I'm completely honest, I am hoping this is just something he is going through and will eventually pass, this is not because I am not going to be supportive and accepting, it's because I worry for what he is going to have to deal with in life and of course I want him to have the easiest life possible. My thoughts are that he may be influenced by things he's seen online? Is this a trend as has been suggested in some things I've read?

I want to reduce his internet usage without it appearing that I am punishing him for what he's told me. I want to trial whether coming away from the internet and the engagement he has with his followers etc will make a difference. However to set parental controls to no social media for example would block him accessing his animation account on twitter/youtube which would feel like a punishment to him.

Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.

OP posts:
SoupDragon · 30/07/2021 12:36

I would try to make it clear that he can do "female" things, wear "female" clothes etc etc without actually having to be female.

oxalisRed · 30/07/2021 12:36

I'm aware he can't physically become a female however gender isn't just about the physical, if it were I wouldn't be posting here. If in his mind and soul he believes he is female (and after letting puberty pass and after his mind and emotions have been allowed to mature) I cannot tell him he is not female, albeit trans female.

If you believe in gender then all you need to do is support your son however he wishes to progress, no? It shouldn't matter then whether he embarks on puberty blockers or goes through puberty, if that's how he really feels? In fact, one argument is that puberty blockers will enable a person to become their true authentic self, if that's how they truly feel.

Why would you want your son to go through puberty, why hold him back OP?

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:37

@SoupDragon yes this is going to be how I go. Because it's true isn't it.

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Soontobe60 · 30/07/2021 12:38

[quote Onehotmess]@MichelleScarn no it isn’t. A person can have surgery/ hormones to transition, no just wear a dress .[/quote]
Still not female. You can’t change your biology.

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:42

Because I don't want him taking hormones, transitioning without knowing for sure this is the right thing for him. Hormones and surgery aren't without risk and it would be irresponsible of me to simply say ok let's go and get you started and book an appointment with a doctor.

I simply think gender is not only based on the physical. To many they truly identify as the opposite sex and yes biologically this may not be true but as humans we are not just biologiacal creatures.

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CloseYourEyesAndSee · 30/07/2021 12:45

[quote Onehotmess]@MichelleScarn no it isn’t. A person can have surgery/ hormones to transition, no just wear a dress .[/quote]
But a male can never be female! Who told you they can?

CloseYourEyesAndSee · 30/07/2021 12:46

If in his mind and soul he believes he is female (and after letting puberty pass and after his mind and emotions have been allowed to mature) I cannot tell him he is not female, albeit trans female.

I don't understand this. He won't ever be female, in any way, so why would you think you couldn't tell him he isn't female?

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:48

Please can we stop with the 'male can't be female' arguments. Whether you believe they can or cannot, this isn't why I'm posting. Please debate that somewhere else

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Soontobe60 · 30/07/2021 12:48

@oxalisRed

I'm aware he can't physically become a female however gender isn't just about the physical, if it were I wouldn't be posting here. If in his mind and soul he believes he is female (and after letting puberty pass and after his mind and emotions have been allowed to mature) I cannot tell him he is not female, albeit trans female.

If you believe in gender then all you need to do is support your son however he wishes to progress, no? It shouldn't matter then whether he embarks on puberty blockers or goes through puberty, if that's how he really feels? In fact, one argument is that puberty blockers will enable a person to become their true authentic self, if that's how they truly feel.

Why would you want your son to go through puberty, why hold him back OP?

So you’re advocating that he takes off label drugs that will sterilise him, stunt his growth, lead to him having no sexual function in adulthood, and then move onto cross sex hormones that will alter his body to make him a look a like female in terms of giving him ‘breasts’, alter the fat layers in his body, lead to a significant increased risk in developing breast cancer, affect his bone density. And he still won’t be female. But hey, all that’s ok as long as he believes that he’s now his ‘authentic self’. Let any adult do whatever they want to themselves, but don’t suggest that changing a child’s body irreparably is anything but a massive safeguarding issue.

OP, I suggest you read Trans - it will give you some insight into what’s happening to the youth of today and how they’re being drawn towards declaring themselves trans. It’s a real eye opener.

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:49

@YetAnotherSpartacus definitely doing this. I have to try and get his dad on board too (who doesn't know yet) so that's gonna be interesting (his dad and I are divorced).

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Soontobe60 · 30/07/2021 12:50

@WBNAS

Please can we stop with the 'male can't be female' arguments. Whether you believe they can or cannot, this isn't why I'm posting. Please debate that somewhere else
Do you not think it’s important to be factual? Or maybe you do actually believe we can change sex? Personally, I believe this is the most fundamental thing that underpins transgenderism.
WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:52

@Soontobe60 thank you for saying that so well. This is why I am baby-stepping my way through this. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and he and I may well regret any rash decisions made at a very emotional and hormonal time!

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Whatsnewpussyhat · 30/07/2021 12:52

but as humans we are not just biologiacal creatures

Of course we are! We ARE just animals.
You are describing a faith based belief system. Gendered souls etc.

There is sex and personality. Nothing else.

I'm sick of kids being taught that the PERFECTLY NORMAL feelings of being uncomfortable with changes due to puberty are wrong or need fixing.

Let him dress how he wants, paint his nails etc, support him as you are clearly doing but you don't have to affirm that this somehow makes him female in any way.

hamstersarse · 30/07/2021 12:55

I would recommend this talk by Lisa Marchiano. She is a respected Jungian Analyst (therapist) and there are some really good points about how to navigate the conversations

oxalisRed · 30/07/2021 12:56

@Soontobe60 don't worry, I'm entirely fact orientated, I was only interested to learn more about OP's attitude (OP:"If in his mind and soul he believes he is female").

WBNAS · 30/07/2021 12:56

Im not here to debate that, I'm her to find how others have managed to navigate this situation. Not to have people argue back and forth over things that I wasn't asking about.

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MattDamon · 30/07/2021 12:57

Can he access reddit and other forums? All of the LGBT subreddits have been taken over by predatory groomers who push affirmation only and encourage alienating family members who don't agree with this. I'd block all of those.

PickAChew · 30/07/2021 12:57

[quote Onehotmess]@MichelleScarn no it isn’t. A person can have surgery/ hormones to transition, no just wear a dress .[/quote]
He could take all the hormones possible and have bits chopped off filled out and rearranged but would still be male with XY chromosomes.

KidneyBeans · 30/07/2021 12:57

@WBNAS could he be gay? There's much more social support for trans teens than gay teens unfortunately

TalkingOutYerArse · 30/07/2021 12:58

@oxalisRed

I'm aware he can't physically become a female however gender isn't just about the physical, if it were I wouldn't be posting here. If in his mind and soul he believes he is female (and after letting puberty pass and after his mind and emotions have been allowed to mature) I cannot tell him he is not female, albeit trans female.

If you believe in gender then all you need to do is support your son however he wishes to progress, no? It shouldn't matter then whether he embarks on puberty blockers or goes through puberty, if that's how he really feels? In fact, one argument is that puberty blockers will enable a person to become their true authentic self, if that's how they truly feel.

Why would you want your son to go through puberty, why hold him back OP?

Of course it matters. Why would you prevent a perfectly normal puberty in a CHILD?
FernandosDrums · 30/07/2021 12:59

I've got some experience in this OP, I'm working right now but will come back to the thread later.

You sound like you're doing all the sensible things Flowers

IsItAKindofDream · 30/07/2021 12:59

OP - not wanting to concern you, but some boys say this after a traumatic episode. Such as being sexually abused. You might want to explore that.

Others have previously suggested keeping the child away from the computer and doing something physical like a sport - to get them back in touch with their body.

oxalisRed · 30/07/2021 13:02

Im not here to debate that, I'm her to find how others have managed to navigate this situation

But your position will inform how you approach and support your child, right? So I think it's legitimate to ask about this.

I do not believe in gender and am firmly against medical interventions. But actually that's not to say that when push comes to shove I will not be supporting my child, if that's what our situation comes to.

You're right, this is a lonely place to be in a a parent. But you'll find lots of other families online going through the same thing (I know at least 3 others families IRL however).

Pongo101 · 30/07/2021 13:03

There is a black mirror episode where a male plays a female character online and the player's sexuality is thrown into question. It raises a lot of points about fantasy vs. reality and how the characters have to deal with that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Striking_Vipers

There may be some similarities with what your son is feeling. It might be interesting to watch it together and discuss whether your son is feeling torn in a similar way and if he agrees with how the characters decided to deal with their situation in the end.

secular39 · 30/07/2021 13:05

Why did you allow your son to have a girlfriend at 12? I'm sorry- that is young.