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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

718 replies

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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Miniestelle · 20/07/2021 18:09

@speakout

John
GrinGrin omg, that IS John
Chikapu · 20/07/2021 18:10

Always choose the man in cabled knitwear.

RoseRoseRoseRose · 20/07/2021 18:11

OP, I think you’ve had a really hard time here. I recognise your situation from couples that I know and I could also imagine myself in the same place. You’re not a dick for asking these questions. #TeamKorma

I think realistically you should think of it as a choice between staying with Pete and being single. Maybe it could work with John, maybe not. That’s not in your control. But staying/leaving is.

Can you get some therapy to talk all this through? Do you have a trusted friend/sister who’ll tell it to you straight?

Good luck whatever happens - you’re clearly massively resourceful, intelligent and got a great sense of humour so I am sure all will be well.

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 18:12

@Whatkindofdaughter I did -- thank you! Flowers

and @RoseRoseRoseRose, thank you too. Very kind words Flowers

I have spent many years single and I know what it's like.

I think I might just run away and hide!!!

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speakout · 20/07/2021 18:12

Always choose the man in cabled knitwear.

Grin Grin Grin

AlternativePerspective · 20/07/2021 18:13

Sorry to cut the entertainment, but that particular prospect is terrifying so I'm going to pull the plug on this thread shortly. I never expected it to attract more than half a dozen answers! equals “I didn’t get the answers I’d hoped for so now I’m going to pretend that this thread could be outing so HQ remove it. Never mind that this is all in a foreign country so no-one is actually going to recognise me from it….”

HollowTalk · 20/07/2021 18:13

@Greenmarmalade Why does he have to do house maintenance? Because he’s the man?

No, because he's sat on his arse all day, doing nothing but live off the OP.

Shallysally · 20/07/2021 18:15

@KormasABitch

I think I might just run away and hide!!!

Why the drama? You’ve asked for support, if you don’t want to listen to the advice on here then just don’t respond any let the thread fizzle out.

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 18:16

@AlternativePerspective

Sorry to cut the entertainment, but that particular prospect is terrifying so I'm going to pull the plug on this thread shortly. I never expected it to attract more than half a dozen answers! equals “I didn’t get the answers I’d hoped for so now I’m going to pretend that this thread could be outing so HQ remove it. Never mind that this is all in a foreign country so no-one is actually going to recognise me from it….”
Pete reads online DM for a laugh 😁
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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 18:16

[quote Shallysally]@KormasABitch

I think I might just run away and hide!!!

Why the drama? You’ve asked for support, if you don’t want to listen to the advice on here then just don’t respond any let the thread fizzle out.[/quote]
I don't mean hide from you lot!

I mean hide from my dilemma.

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Notmoresugar · 20/07/2021 18:16

But when I say we rebuilt a ruin here, what I mean is that I worked hard to pay builders to rebuild it, while Pete played computer games mostly. It was me who did the decorating and cleared out the rubbish etc. Even now, we have an estate agent coming tomorrow and the downstairs rooms are chaotic with his stuff that he promises to sort out "tomorrow" 😊

Christ on a bike OP this must be utterly draining for you.

So you work and did the decorating and clearing of rubbish!!

What an entitled little piss-taker - send him back to his mummy.

Whatkindofdaughter · 20/07/2021 18:19

I agree with everything @RoseRoseRoseRose said.

Think of 2 choices- staying with Pete or being single.

If you stay with P I feel the flaws that annoy you will get worse.
But you need to decide that yourself.

But as long as you hanker after John, Pete will always seem 2nd best.
So you need to stop thinking John is available.
He could call you tomorrow and tell you he was in love with a new woman.

Work on whether you want to stay married.
If not, leave. But be aware as a 60+ woman, you may be single forever, or you may not :)

Think really hard about a life on your own forever from now, as the other option.

Not another man, whatever type of sweater he wears.

CeliaJ · 20/07/2021 18:21

It's situations like this which make you wonder whether human beings are meant to have just one partner. If each of the men satisfies a need in you, perhaps you really do need both. However, 'John' knows that you are married yet seems to be hinting that you have an affair with him. This should warn you about his sense of morality. Would you ever be able to trust him?

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 18:21

Yes, thank you. I have never been the kind to "jump ship."

I have lived on my own for many years and was quite happy. Then I met Pete and he's amazing. Except in a few ways that matter, or are beginning to matter.

I'm not idealising John at all, he's basically been my closest friend for nearly half my life and we've seen each other through life's ups and downs.

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 18:23

However, 'John' knows that you are married yet seems to be hinting that you have an affair with him. This should warn you about his sense of morality. Would you ever be able to trust him?

He's not hinting. We're just very compatible, and have always known that.

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IRanSoFarAway1 · 20/07/2021 18:29

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MichelleScarn · 20/07/2021 18:30

What made you choose the country to buy this property? Was the plan to buy and live in it, or buy and flip?

AGirlCalledJohnny · 20/07/2021 18:32

Wow Korma, you have for yourself in a pickle. I genuinely couldn't maintain a relationship with this, no doubt very sweet, but arrested development man child. I would be absolutely mortified to be his wife rather than his mother. Ewww.

As for Golden Man John. Hmmm.... Sort out your marriage by divorcing and then see if John comes running. I'm curious as to what kind of lifestyle he leads? Is it similar to your own? I'm sure I sound completely superficial but should anything ever happen and I found myself single again, which I really hope isn't the case, I wouldn't remarry but date, and he'd have to be able to keep up with me because I'll be living large and he won't be riding my coattails (once I get the kids through US college $$$$ 😆)

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 18:35

@IRanSoFarAway1

OP "I'm not idealising John at all, he's basically been my closest friend for nearly half my life and we've seen each other through life's ups and downs."

This really jumps out at me. Friendship is finer than diamonds. I say this as a mercenary type. Don't ruin a fantastic friendship. There's no greater love.

Except that Pete's my closest friend in the world, if we're talking about friendship. John is just the closest friend I have outside our marriage.

Re moving to this country, it was a reaction to living somewhere freezing cold. We were desperate for sun! So desperate, in fact, that we rushed into this. Top tip for anyone moving abroad on a whim: rent first. I know any normal adult would know that. (You can see why being with someone much younger has suited me well!)

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Branleuse · 20/07/2021 18:42

I think Pete sounds better, and you need to give your head a wobble.

The grass is greener where you water it

MiddleParking · 20/07/2021 18:54

You all sound unbearable tbh. Why would the Daily Mail be arsed?

ActiveMilk · 20/07/2021 19:01

Pete can look after you in old age, with John you might end up as his career.

Sounds like Pete and you are compatible, just move to somewhere where he can work.

ActiveMilk · 20/07/2021 19:01
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dreamsofacres · 20/07/2021 19:03

Please don't pull the thread it's entertaining 🤭

VodselForDinner · 20/07/2021 19:04

Pete, you're always running here and there
You feel you're not wanted anywhere
If you ever look behind
And don't like what you find
There's something you should know
You've got a place to go

I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"
I used to say "I" and "me"
Now it's "us", now it's "we"

Pete, most people would turn you away
I don't listen to a word they say
They don't see you as I do
I wish they would try to
I'm sure they'd think again
If they had a friend like Pete

Grin at anyone who gets the reference.