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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 08:30

And I agree with @sorrywoman.

Your self-worth sounds pretty low. You are accepting the bare minimum of what anyone in a relationship should have.

I hate to say it, as it sounds like a cliche, (because I'm relaxed about age-gap relationships) but this does seem more like a mother-son set-up than an equal marriage.

Do you have a history of picking men who need looking after? Has your maternal instinct been driven in that direction?

Are you always attracted to 'weaker men' who aren't demanding in some ways?

Does it make you feel better to be the dominant partner, the one responsible? Is this because of your own lack of confidence, seep down?

These are the deeper issues that need exploring so you understand what's driving your behaviour and choices.

whichwayisup · 23/07/2021 08:39

And this is why you really do need to speak to a therapist because more and more is being leaked. Words like you "let" Pete play WOW. He doesn't have a joint account with you... He has your bank cards which you could cancel at any time. He doesn't pull his weight if he's leaving you to do the heavy lifting in the house organisation when you've been working all day. He's been in this country with you for 5 years, I had thought you had moved just before covid. 5 years is plenty time to develop a rudimentary understanding of the language that would allow him to take on lower roles.

As I've said before, I think this is definitely a mother son dynamic, there is nothing that you've said that indicates it's anything else. He's also largely a dosser. I know a couple of men like this who live like this... They do the bare minimum to avoid having to work... When the older lady gets rid they move on to the next one. You've explained how John is from a very poor background and so your lifestyle must be quite attractive to him. He gets to live well and all he has to do it's plan trips he enjoys himself and make dinner.

The fact that John is your oldest friend is strange too. You met him when he was a family man and you had a romantic interest in him which you thought was reciprocated. I find that whole dynamic a difficult one to understand. I know everyone has different friend histories but for the oldest dearest friend to be this?? I find it remarkable.

You don't like people because they don't "get you", but nothing in terms of your life choices re moving around and living in interesting places sounds very out of the ordinary.

You glibly write off the fact you moved to a country you knew John would struggle to find work in, in a remote area where you knew there would be limited job opportunities. Why? You can't say...oh it's just me and my whimsy... With the internet and well just half a brain, you would have considered these points even if you don't want to admit it now. These are things a good therapist would pull out. They wouldn't let you glibly slide over the interesting parts of the story you are telling yourself.

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 08:46

@whichwayisup I agree with a lot of your post but you've a few parts of it where you are mixing up John and Pete. Yes? (In terms of their names.)

Shallysally · 23/07/2021 09:48

@Roussette

OK he's not a go-getter as far as earning money, nor is my Pete, but affability, kindness and adoration counts for a helluva lot!

This ^^ 1000 times over! It really does, and should never be underestimated Flowers

HaveringWavering · 23/07/2021 09:59

OP you’re criticising Pete for not having a “mature homeowner” type attitude to life. You on the other hand seem to have some sort of professional job, but you’ve just mentioned that you have never paid into a pension. That’s arguably less mature than someone who has always rented but never owned a home. Have you ever been employed, or always freelance? (Usually employment would have had some sort of pension attached). Did your sensible father and brothers never talk to you about this?

It’s also not clear whether the work you do is bringing in a very healthy amount, or barely keeping the wolf from the door. Do you have a professional network and reputation that gives you a sense of identity and self-worth (eg are you zooming clients all day, developing new business, managing other remote workers, or just doing mindless data entry for hours on end?)

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 10:00

Except Pete is none of those things it appears. He wouldn't behave as he does if he was, @Roussette

I do seriously believe that @KormasABitch has some issues that need unravelling by a therapist. From

where I am, they point to something along the lines of being a 'rescuer' , to having low self esteem.

As a PP said, you don't get away with funny and glib comments in therapy.

There are a lot of life choices here that didn't just happen for no reason and they need exploring.

SorryWoman · 23/07/2021 10:04

@Shallysally

Sorry, what is kind and adoring about a man who lets his much older partner skip out on paying into a pension because he cant be bothered to work to pay for his own health insurance?

whichwayisup · 23/07/2021 10:08

Sorry, there should have only been one mention of John when discussing him being your oldest friend... The rest of the Johns should have been petesConfused.

StapMe · 23/07/2021 10:38

Couldn't you move John in and have a ménage a trios? Wink
Seriously, haven't read all of it but this thread is surely a wind up?

Roussette · 23/07/2021 11:46

whatkindofdaughter I think 'Pete' is all of those things. Puzzled as to why you think not.
Kind... yes.
Affable.... yes
Adores the OP.... yes

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 12:20

I don't see anything kind is his behaviour. @Roussette

Anyone who does, maybe needs to rethink their definitions of that.

He doesn't contribute financially.
He is supported by the OP right down to health insurance.
He has made little effort to find work.

As far as I can read, he shops (paid for by OP), cooks and chops wood.

'Adores' is very subjective. He knows which side his bread is buttered on, doesn't he?

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 12:23

He doesn't do all the housework. I do things like laundry, cleaning the bathrooms, etc.

I wasn't moaning he can't renovate a house. I was moaning that when there were things to be done, like clearing rubbish from the basement, decorating, etc, that we could tackle, he left it to me while he played computer games

He's a man-child @Roussette.

Being 'affable' doesn't change his other selfish behaviour.

Roussette · 23/07/2021 12:57

That makes my DH a man-child then. But I don't see it like that. There's things that a Pete does which makes up for the things he doesn't.

And the OP has already said she needs to level this up (arghhhhh Boris!) and that is why they are moving to do that.

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 13:07

@Roussette

That makes my DH a man-child then. But I don't see it like that. There's things that a Pete does which makes up for the things he doesn't.

And the OP has already said she needs to level this up (arghhhhh Boris!) and that is why they are moving to do that.

Well, that is your choice. You aren't posting to ask advice on another man.

The OP has also acknowledged my point that moving will not include a personality change for her H.

He's had 5 years to level up. He is still at ground zero.

Roussette · 23/07/2021 13:36

I feel differently to you. The OP has talked of many of his good qualities and what he means to her. And what he does for her.
It might be different to what you would want or expect, but we all have choices as you say.

I don't think a Pete personality change would suit her one little bit.

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 13:54

Are you 'defending' Pete because your own H is the same? @Roussette

At face value, how any women of 60 can live with a man of 40-something who doesn't earn, spends his days gaming (other than for doing some basic food shopping and cooking- oh, and chopping wood) I don't know.

He may be lovely in some ways, but as a life partner when you are pushing retirement, have no pension, (therefore you need to keep working) and who sits on his arse most of the day while you do most of the housework, manage the money, worry about how to support you (both) in older age - nope, doesn't inspire me at all.

In some ways they sound as dippy as each other - the impulsive move overseas where there was no work for him, living in a tumble down house- no pension plans etc - but it's not an equal relationship whichever way you look at it.

Roussette · 23/07/2021 13:59

whatkind I have no idea.
But I know what I value in life.

And I have a truly great life, I'm very lucky. (everything crossed here, I know things can change)

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 14:05

Well, as long as you are setting the bar a bit higher than the OP @Roussette!

Basic values are kindness, being treated well, having someone on your side, sharing responsibilities, doing their fair share.

I don't see any of that with 'Pete'.

All I see is someone who takes more than he gives.

Liking the same music, hiking, bike riding and enjoying a nomadic lifestyle aren't reasons enough in my book to stay with someone who doesn't pull their weight.

And talking of books, this does begin to read like a novel in places with posters trying to suggest an ending :)

Roussette · 23/07/2021 14:11

This thread isn't about me and my marriage and what bar I have set. Hmm
35 years married here and it works

I am sure the OP will take time and make the right decisions for her

sunshinesupermum · 23/07/2021 14:16

Words like you "let" Pete play WOW. He doesn't have a joint account with you... He has your bank cards which you could cancel at any time. He doesn't pull his weight if he's leaving you to do the heavy lifting in the house organisation when you've been working all day.

This all struck me as well = a parent/child relationship. Not sure how lovely a man is but when he's in his forties and doesn't pull his weight financially or organisationally he sounds a waste of space. How will he manage when you are physically unable to manage everythng?

I was 60 when I had a similar mid-life blip and began an affair with my first love who I hadn't been in contact with for 40 years. Ten years on I can say hand on heart that in your position I wouldn't contemplate whatever John is offering but neither would I want to stay with a husband who is more or less a hanger-on however kind he may be. You deserve better.

I couldn't lie to my husband for very long but when I told him I was having an affair he responded by telling me he was gay and had been in a relationship with his best (male obv) friend for six years. Needless to say, we divorced and I'm with the man I first knew 50 years ago! I can't say it's better but it IS different from my 30 year marriage.

In retrospect I should have left both of them and lived alone probably. I was financially independent with no mortgage and a small pension. But my DP is also a kind man, has his own home although currently due to Covid we are in mine, and we have separate finances so there are no worries there.

Normally I am all for age differences in relationships (and definitely in praise of younger men!) but something just doesn't feel right in yours at this stage of your life. Wishing you the best of luck in whatever you decide.

Chikapu · 23/07/2021 14:40

Has Pete ever considered working for Blizzard? If he has a second language and a good knowledge of WOW, he'd have a very good chance.

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 15:54

@Roussette

This thread isn't about me and my marriage and what bar I have set. Hmm 35 years married here and it works

I am sure the OP will take time and make the right decisions for her

I know. But you surely can see that you did describe your H and your marriage as being very similar to that of @KormasABitch and gave the impression she was lucky to have 'Pete'.

No two marriages are the same despite some fairly superficial similarities. You aren't the OP and your H isn't 'Pete'. Even if to some extent he behaves in similar ways.

Roussette · 23/07/2021 16:15

Oh dear. I said I have a 'Pete' yes. The kindest most lovely man.

I am not sure what you want from me here or what I am meant to 'see'.

Of course I'm not the OP and my DH isn't the Pete,Hmm I never insinuated that we are in identical situations. Whatever impression the OP wants to take from me, bottom line I just talked of my experience, in the hope it can help, as have many many other posters.

That's it.

Please feel free not to reply!

whatkindofdaughter · 23/07/2021 16:38

Please feel free not to reply!

And you too especially as you dived in first to disagree with my posts Grin All I have done is respond back.

The End.

PleasurePrinciple · 23/07/2021 16:45

@Chikapu

Has Pete ever considered working for Blizzard? If he has a second language and a good knowledge of WOW, he'd have a very good chance.
I love that the thread has got to the point of offering Pete career advice. Grin

(I say that as if I actually know what Blizzard is -- it could be an icecream manufacturer or an international spy ring...)