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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 14:16

Poor Pete, if only he knew he was just a filler until something better came along

I know, poor old Pete. His bitch of a wife lets him play WoW for 5 years without questioning it until recently, and then has the cheek to sort out her head on MN when the very first doubt raised its ugly head! How very dare she.

I'd love you lot to give this situation a go without a trace of resentment.

I think we've made it through a tricky patch with triumphant results.

With an online thread with strangers, it's inevitable that there's a lot of bitter projection going on, so I'm not taking it personally. Flowers

I'm so grateful for everyone who has bothered to give it thought and make comments, however harsh. It's all helped.

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KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 14:17

@PrettyBlunt

Your loss. Most people, I think you'll find, would leap at the chance of an affair with me, whatever their personal circumstances!!!!!!

HmmConfused

Also you said 'Lezza affair' that's really not a nice thing to say is it.

Well my lesbian friends would think it hilarious. But they're my friends, not strangers on the internet.
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KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 14:18

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

This all sounds like the plot to the next Jane Green novel.
I just looked up Jane Green on Amazon and the first title that came up was "The Friends We Keep"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 14:20

@PrettyBlunt

Also I'm not sure this is completely believable.

I think if you had this deep attraction to John then you would've made a move years ago. Maybe on your many weekends away you said about I mean you did say someone would jump at the chance of an affair with you?

Well, you haven't RTFT, and I can't say I blame you. 🤡

We've lived in different countries for years, and been married to other people for most of those. Stayed in touch as good friends. And that's it.

So: limited opportunities, unless you count Tent Night, which I am actually quite proud of. I think my moral compass is pretty good.

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Shallysally · 22/07/2021 14:29

With an online thread with strangers, it's inevitable that there's a lot of bitter projection going on, so I'm not taking it personally.

Bitter projection? Are you suggesting that posters have some jealousy of your lifestyle?

Well my lesbian friends would think it hilarious. But they're my friends, not strangers on the internet.

I have many gay friends, I can assure you that none of those would find that phrase anything but offensive.

KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 14:36

I have many gay friends, I can assure you that none of those would find that phrase anything but offensive.

Well we have different friends. Not surprisingly!

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Shallysally · 22/07/2021 14:44

Well we have different friends. Not surprisingly!

And what do you mean by that? You are not so naive that you don’t know an offensive term. Just own it, admit to your mistake and move on.

I’m not sure this thread is actually a real situation.

I hope that your “Not surprisingly” comment is based on the fact we are strangers, rather than any other meaning

Branleuse · 22/07/2021 14:54

[quote KormasABitch]@Whatdirection
I think that John looks at the way you have led your life and sees your impulsiveness as a problem as he knows he couldn’t live like that even though he might find it an attractive feature in you.
I think your ponderings are a search for acceptance for the real you with all her quirks and contradictions in the light of needing more security as you get older.

Wow. Now I'm definitely not paying for a counsellor. You just helped a lot! Flowers

I think you're absolutely right. Thank you.[/quote]
I agree. I think John would be trying to "save" you. Youd be a project for him, whereas Pete loves you for who you already are as well as for the future.

KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 16:02

@Shallysally, I think offence, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. My "not surprisingly" means that we're obviously extremely different people and our friends will reflect that.

@Branleuse agreed! Hurraaaaaaaaaah! Roll on the future. 💗

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Shallysally · 22/07/2021 16:11

@KormasABitch maybe, but not when referring to a widely acknowledged derogatory, offensive term.

Anyway, I wish you well in your future, whatever that may bring.

KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 16:51

[quote Shallysally]@KormasABitch maybe, but not when referring to a widely acknowledged derogatory, offensive term.

Anyway, I wish you well in your future, whatever that may bring.[/quote]
Thanks, @Shallysally. Same to you Flowers

Honestly, my friends are like this too. In Brighton! Need I say more.

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KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 17:35

Oh and
Bitter projection? Are you suggesting that posters have some jealousy of your lifestyle?
I just mean that we project our own difficulties onto other people's. I'm guessing some PPs have trust issues that I have inflamed accidentally.

Mind you, who wouldn't be jealous of my lifestyle!!!!!! Supporting a penniless gamer, with no financial security at retirement age, etc.

I'm so pleased this thread has helped me to give the appropriate weigh to things that I suspected but could not quite put my finger on before. Deep gratitude to all the contributions, hostile or otherwise, that have helped me get a grip. Flowers

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MiddleParking · 22/07/2021 17:41

I'm guessing some PPs have trust issues that I have inflamed accidentally.

Confused yeah, again, that’s not it.

Comedycook · 22/07/2021 17:50

Infidelity is generally considered worse than genocide by some posters...I know you're not being unfaithful op, but many on here think even thinking about someone else in a romantic way is heinous.

UrbanRambler · 22/07/2021 18:06

It sounds like you would like a hybrid partner who has Pete's character but John's financial resources and drive. Neither man seems perfect for you, but perfection is rare.

Onthedunes · 22/07/2021 18:19

I don't think John's for you otherwise over the years you would have been together.

Great loves don't just wait for one another until the other becomes available.
Why would you want John, just for the financial benefits? He doesn't care for you properly, you are a friend on the back burner who is willing to become primary mate when he becomes available.

At least your relationship with Pete sounds like it developed organically and free from lies and secrets. He may not be the perfect earner but he sounds a nice guy and ultimately I think that's what you need as it seems to me you wear the trousers.

I think you would clash too much with John, butt heads and fight with power struggles.

Fabiofatshaft1 · 22/07/2021 18:20

Fly to John. Spend a few weeks / months with him. Fuck his brains out. Then review your decision.

Meanwhile, Pete, who sounds bloody perfect, and is much younger than you can find himself a younger and hotter woman.

Onthedunes · 22/07/2021 18:24

@Fabiofatshaft1

That would be Pete's perfect route. Grin

KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 18:35

@Comedycook

Infidelity is generally considered worse than genocide by some posters...I know you're not being unfaithful op, but many on here think even thinking about someone else in a romantic way is heinous.
So I see! How does anyone have a wank?
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KormasABitch · 22/07/2021 18:45

Does anyone on here know the difference between fantasy and reality, and the importance of differentiating between the two?

I mean, I thought I was nuts. But now I understand why Pete says we're the only sane people left in the world. Thank god we live away from people.

Apologies to all the sane folk who are out there and not reading or posting. I'm sure we're not the only ones. But still.

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MareofBeasttown · 22/07/2021 18:46

This thread has gone very odd. Sex and the City odd.

MiddleParking · 22/07/2021 19:34

Some people do but it doesn’t seem like you’re one of them. Anyways, we get it, you’re super special and different and hilarious and we must just all be jealous.

PleasurePrinciple · 22/07/2021 20:02

@KormasABitch

Does anyone on here know the difference between fantasy and reality, and the importance of differentiating between the two?

I mean, I thought I was nuts. But now I understand why Pete says we're the only sane people left in the world. Thank god we live away from people.

Apologies to all the sane folk who are out there and not reading or posting. I'm sure we're not the only ones. But still.

Absolutely, you and Pete keep living in your roofless, gaming, woodchopping, ‘yearning’, Earth Wind and Fire-singing bubble.
peridito · 22/07/2021 20:06

I'm not getting that Middle so count me out of the "we" .

Polkadots2021 · 22/07/2021 20:18

@KormasABitch

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

Oh my God, please do not entertain this. You have the best life ever with the most awesome man and you'll blow it all apart for a meaningless crush. Honestly block John if you need to.

Honestly the only reason the crush is fun is because you have an awesome real life that exists around it. It's a meaningless 0.05% of your life. Take away the real 99.95% if you pursue it, and your life will literally fall apart and John won't be bothered about putting it back together for you. Do not take it further. As regrets go, it'd basically be the Godzilla of all regrets.