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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 17:31

He has spent 6 hours cleaning and tidying today, scoring 14,000 steps on his activity tracker, and making him half an hour late for a raid. Which I consider a result.

It's just occurred to me to mention that I suppose gaming is his only social life. He can keep in touch with people he plays with, and converse in his mother tongue (not English).

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 17:33

@Branleuse

I feel so invested in this.
I don't know whether to apologise! Is it like watching a slow-motion car crash?!
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whichwayisup · 21/07/2021 17:41

I am loving being part of your thought process Korma. Pinged and Pleasure have nailed it I'd say.

Whatkindofdaughter · 21/07/2021 17:41

I've read all the pages more or less and my view is...he's just too young for you.

A woman approaching 65 and a man in his 40s- well, it might work, but you are looking at how to live in retirement and counting your assets.

He's got another 20 years to go before that.

I'm sorry but I think you simply made the wrong choice, for all sorts of reasons at the time (maybe one was re-living your youth through him) and now the reality is setting in.

You are flogging a dead horse.

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 17:43

@PleasurePrinciple
Just to add

Has it occurred to you that he might be deliberately refusing to get involved in house renovations etc, leaving garden tools out, and in saying he only wants a couple of months rent if you part, not half the value of your house, as a (possibly unconscious) way of demonstrating that he doesn't feel like an equal partner?

Pete wouldn't demonstrate things this way. He'd just say so bluntly. His absolute transparency and directness is one of the qualities I value most. It's actually what makes me able to be the same. I never have to censor anything I say. I mean, he knows this crisis I'm going through. I just wanted to discuss it here in more detail with other women.

I notice it raised a few eyebrows that we are so direct about things that crop up (e.g. humming "September"), but actually I really like that. I suppose we have what you might call a dark humour.

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 17:48

Thank you, @whichwayisup Flowers
It's certainly been worth sharing on here because you just get used to making certain assumptions about things, and it's great to have those challenged.

@Whatkindofdaughter
We're a bit younger than that, but yes the gap is there. And yet the "age gap" is much less than in other relationships I've had with men much closer to my age. I honestly don't think I've reliving my youth with him. I did that with other blokes, and despite his gaming and lack of household evangelism Pete is probably more grown-up than me (if you hadn't worked that out by now).

I think we have to wait and see what happens with our next move. Hopefully we'll do it properly next time, and achieve what we intended when we moved out here.

Time will tell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Cowbells · 21/07/2021 17:49

@Whatkindofdaughter

I've read all the pages more or less and my view is...he's just too young for you.

A woman approaching 65 and a man in his 40s- well, it might work, but you are looking at how to live in retirement and counting your assets.

He's got another 20 years to go before that.

I'm sorry but I think you simply made the wrong choice, for all sorts of reasons at the time (maybe one was re-living your youth through him) and now the reality is setting in.

You are flogging a dead horse.

Nah. Some people live unconventional lives and for all the OP is craving a bit of conventional safety right now, I think she'd miss her young woodcutter after two days with cable knit.
Dinosaurballoon · 21/07/2021 17:52

The grass may be greener on the other side of the fence. Just remember, what the fence is there for; and that some very undesirable weeds are also green.

No practical advice op but I like that Phrase by another poster

MiddleParking · 21/07/2021 17:53

I never have to censor anything I say. I mean, he knows this crisis I'm going through.

Surely you didn’t tell him you were fantasising about a relationship with, and becoming an almost-mother to the children of, your friend?

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 17:57

@Feedingthebirds1
I forgot to answer this:
You're building your ideas on moving somewhere else, Pete getting a good job and being able to make sure you have financial security in your retirement. What if that didn't happen? Do the good things about him still outweigh the things you're having second thoughts about?

I suppose the thing is that what I do know about Pete is that he and I can be happy with very little. So I think as long as we can make ends meet, we'll be OK. I actually think sometimes having more stuff just complicates life unnecessarily.

Not that I would argue if he made his fortune! He would love to show people that he can do it, and still choose me.

(Family and friends have visited us here and went home with all their doubts cleared. We understand it's hard for people not to judge us as an odd couple and assume he's with me for an easy life. But they only have to spend a couple of days with us to see the truth.)

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 17:58

@MiddleParking

I never have to censor anything I say. I mean, he knows this crisis I'm going through.

Surely you didn’t tell him you were fantasising about a relationship with, and becoming an almost-mother to the children of, your friend?

Not in such detail! But he knows the issues I'm struggling with.
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PingedThroughTheWall · 21/07/2021 18:03

Is where you live now an English-speaking country OP?

Miniestelle · 21/07/2021 18:03

I get your sense of humour together. I think it's very charming and something to treasure. I agree with @cowbells, I think after 2 days with Cable Knit you would miss Pete. I think Cable Knit is a mere cipher.

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 18:06

@PingedThroughTheWall

Is where you live now an English-speaking country OP?
No.
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MiddleParking · 21/07/2021 18:06

I’d say you had to censor that bit alright.

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 18:12

@MiddleParking

I’d say you had to censor that bit alright.
If I was absolutely seriously, seriously considering leaving Pete for John he would most definitely know about it by now! I mean, I did warn him that if John came here and rolled up his sleeves around the place, doing things I've been pushing Pete for, we'd have what you might call a situation on our hands.

I'm just using this thread to explore what John represents and why it is suddenly so important.

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 18:14

Do I win the prize, by the way, for the most voluble OP? I do type fast 😁 it's a wonder anyone can get a word in edgeways!!!! but I do appreciate you trying!!!!

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PingedThroughTheWall · 21/07/2021 18:20

OK so neither of you speak the local language?
You mention he doesn't really have a social life (due to language?) So do you have a social life independent of him?

Bryonyshcmyony · 21/07/2021 18:22

Is Pete Horde or Alliance and which guild is he in?

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 18:25

@PingedThroughTheWall

OK so neither of you speak the local language? You mention he doesn't really have a social life (due to language?) So do you have a social life independent of him?
No, it's a new language for both of us.

Neither of us has a social life, but it's nothing to do with language. We keep ourselves to ourselves. It was the same in the UK.

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 18:26

@Bryonyshcmyony

Is Pete Horde or Alliance and which guild is he in?
Guess what, I have absolutely no idea 🤣

He did offer to show me the ropes but I think we need both of us having a gaming habit like a hole in the head.

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Bryonyshcmyony · 21/07/2021 18:30

🤣

Growtheroses · 21/07/2021 18:50

Op I haven't rtft but it sounds like you are, sensibly, thinking forward in to the future. Its likely that Pete will not be happy in a situation where he can't work for many years ahead (and if he is, that's not particularly a good sign) so things are likely to change even if that doesn't come about by your own actions. And you may want to retire with someone on a par with you economically . I always think relationships have a better chance of succeeding if you are on the same page about money and family. Fwiw I say go for John! Smile

PingedThroughTheWall · 21/07/2021 18:51

No, it's a new language for both of us.

Neither of us has a social life, but it's nothing to do with language. We keep ourselves to ourselves. It was the same in the UK

Ah OK, I wondered why you thought it was significant gaming was his only social life as it was a language thing?

PingedThroughTheWall · 21/07/2021 18:51

Have to say I'm increasingly imagining you holed up in a Siberian cabin