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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 10:51

@harverina I know! Shallow as fuck, me.

Mind you, it's not just the $$$$$$$ 😍 ... it's the "adult home owner" thing. For example, I once found garden tools just left out in the rain, and this for some reason I found incredibly depressing, a sackable offence.

But then Pete matches me so well in most respects, and let's just say I'm not an easy person to match well. I mean I'm easy to get on with, but most people make me slightly nervous.

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 10:52

Anyway, I am running behind with work deadlines now so that's me out of here for a while. Many thanks to all posters! Flowers

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 10:59

Oh God -- just one more thing. The "adult home owner" thing.

When I was talking to Pete over the past week or so about how important these things are to me, he said I should give him the next couple of months to show how he can go about things differently. We have this joke of singing "Until September" (to the tune of Earth Wind and Fire's "September").

When we were discussing this, we considered what would happen if this turns out to be an insurmountable challenge. Would we split, and if so what would happen? He insists he would only want a couple of months' rent off me, and I insist on giving him half ("I need to pay you for your trouble" 😂). We went back and forth on this, me saying I'd put it in his account whatever, and him saying he'd just pay it back into mine. He seems to think of it as charity that's wrong to accept.

So basically I think he just doesn't really "get" what this marriage/home ownership thing is like. His background is pretty poor (non-UK) and mine is standard UK lower middle class.

He takes his marriage vows very seriously and treats me really well. I just wonder if he can't get his head round all this actually being OURS, not just mine, and the responsibilities that come with that.

right. Must do some work!!!!! 🙄

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OhtheVulgarity · 21/07/2021 11:06

Your latest post is quite strange, OP. I thought other people were unfair in calling you mercenary earlier, but you certainly seem to have a weirdly pragmatic approach to ending your marriage to a man you profess to love — were neither of you actually at all upset during the conversation about how he had to change his ways by September or you were leaving him? You sang an Earth Wind and Fire sing, and he just said ‘Oh, ok, just give me a couple of months rent then and I’ll get going’? And you said, ‘No, I’ll give you half the value of the house into which you’ve had no input’? No sadness, surprise, anger etc?

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 11:09

@OhtheVulgarity

Your latest post is quite strange, OP. I thought other people were unfair in calling you mercenary earlier, but you certainly seem to have a weirdly pragmatic approach to ending your marriage to a man you profess to love — were neither of you actually at all upset during the conversation about how he had to change his ways by September or you were leaving him? You sang an Earth Wind and Fire sing, and he just said ‘Oh, ok, just give me a couple of months rent then and I’ll get going’? And you said, ‘No, I’ll give you half the value of the house into which you’ve had no input’? No sadness, surprise, anger etc?
This is how we are with each other. No bullshit. Even "heavy" stuff, we deal with lightly and with humour.
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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 11:10

... and mutual understanding. He can see my point!

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MareofBeasttown · 21/07/2021 11:14

[quote KormasABitch]@harverina I know! Shallow as fuck, me.

Mind you, it's not just the $$$$$$$ 😍 ... it's the "adult home owner" thing. For example, I once found garden tools just left out in the rain, and this for some reason I found incredibly depressing, a sackable offence.

But then Pete matches me so well in most respects, and let's just say I'm not an easy person to match well. I mean I'm easy to get on with, but most people make me slightly nervous.[/quote]
I could quite easily do this.The thing is if you are doing all the work of running the house ( I also handle most of the work relating to our DC), some things won't be perfect. I really do feel you are too hard on Pete.

YesPleaseMary · 21/07/2021 11:17

Definitely TeamPete… he sounds so good for your soul OP, don’t let him go for the sake of a WhatIf. Keep John as your friend and adviser.

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 11:22

@YesPleaseMary

Definitely TeamPete… he sounds so good for your soul OP, don’t let him go for the sake of a WhatIf. Keep John as your friend and adviser.
I agree... This thread has been really helpful in clearing my head. Oddly enough, it's often the more aggressive posts that have helped, as I have to work out why the suggestions don't apply. I'm beginning to remember something I'd forgotten: Pete and I are kind of different from most folk, and that's why we live well away from people. I don't think I would adapt well into John's world. Or at least I would, because I'm a people pleaser, but as you say, my soul would not relax the way it does with Pete.

I hate calling him Pete, by the way. No offence to anyone called Pete, but he is definitely not a "Pete" 😃

And I know I have to get on with work!!!! I just can't help checking this now and then 😋

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BillMasen · 21/07/2021 11:24

@AlternativePerspective

“I’ve been married to my DH for a while now. He’s a bit older than me. Anyway, we moved to a country where it transpired that I wasn’t able to work, but as he was able to we stayed here. Now he’s telling me he wants to leave me for another woman, and he says that our marriage isn’t working. That the fact I don’t have a job and don’t do certain things around the house has turned him off me.”

How do you Think posters would respond to that?

This

There’s no way any bloke doing that would get any sympathy or understand like the OP has here!

whichwayisup · 21/07/2021 11:27

I think John is a red herring in all this. He's not waiting or thinking about being the security blanket you want. His children will not like him more if you are with him. The fact that he needs to be liked by his children speaks volumes. And the fact that you think you can fix this says a lot too.

Pete is in the middle of nowhere without a job. The gaming is something he enjoys doing, not my bag but that's his thing. I leave my garden tools out in the rain all the time, it's indicative of nothing.... Well other than the fact that it's me who does the gardening and I'm a bit dizzy.

The fact that he doesn't think that he is entitled to half of the property and half of your, well all assets accumulated as part of the marriage, makes me wonder whether Pete doesn't view your relationship as equal. You say that it's not a mother and child but it does sound like that. You agree that your previous marriage was a mother child relationship albeit a less happy one. You've also stated that your other relationships have been parasitic. It sounds very much like this relationship is another version of that dynamic.

Maybe the time you've had to reflect over the last year, along with Pete's true affection and love has allowed you to see that you may be worthy of love and affection and an equitable split in terms of financial/hard work input.

You list lots of really lovely parts of your relationship with Pete. I would expect, if he loves you and values your shared life together, he'll want to make changes to make you happy.

John isn't the answer to any of this. I'm not sure whether you've come across Esther Perel? If not, you might find her podcasts and books helpful in figuring out why you continue particular dynamics in relationships.

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 11:30

I think that's the thing with massive oversimplifications that have been distorted, @BillMasen 🤨

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Cowbells · 21/07/2021 11:49

I'm intrigued by the fact you assume John would gladly waltz off into the sunset with you. I don't know many women your age who have such utter confidence in their own desirability. It's impressive.

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 11:53

@whichwayisup Thanks for a very thoughtful post!

I agree that John is a red herring. I think it's human nature, when a problem starts to hurt, to look around for solutions and join up the dots with imagination and wishful thinking. I just wanted to toy with the idea on here, to unpick it more closely.

"The fact that he doesn't think that he is entitled to half of the property and half of your, well all assets accumulated as part of the marriage, makes me wonder whether Pete doesn't view your relationship as equal. You say that it's not a mother and child but it does sound like that."
I can see how it looks that way on the surface, but you're going to have to take my word for it, this is nothing at all like a mother/child dynamic. If you were a fly on the wall, you'd see. I know Pete has some "teenage" tendencies, but in many ways he's more like a wise old man. He just has a very poor background and never expected much in life, in material terms. He's immensely grateful for what I provide, but could just as easily live without it.

"I would expect, if he loves you and values your shared life together, he'll want to make changes to make you happy."
He is downstairs mopping the floors with hot disinfectant water, as we speak!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😍🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 11:54

@Cowbells

I'm intrigued by the fact you assume John would gladly waltz off into the sunset with you. I don't know many women your age who have such utter confidence in their own desirability. It's impressive.
I'm smoking hot 😂 and he's about the same age, and we have been best buddies for half my adult life.
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OhtheVulgarity · 21/07/2021 12:54

This is how we are with each other. No bullshit. Even "heavy" stuff, we deal with lightly and with humour. And mutual understanding. He can see my point!

But why would it be 'bullshit' to talk about love or disappointment or sadness that you may be ending your marriage, or wanting different things from life?

I'm beginning to remember something I'd forgotten: Pete and I are kind of different from most folk, and that's why we live well away from people.

I do think this is increasingly evident from your posts, but you do swivel backwards and forwards on whether you and Pete are in fact

(a) impossibly well-matched twin souls or

(b) completely different -- you're a ageing go-getter belatedly craving economic security and Pete is a middle-aged Peter Pan to whom the concept of home ownership or putting away garden tools if foreign, who is capable of living on air and small change from down the back of the sofa as long as he can play Call of Duty at least five days a week in a house someone else bought and renovated for him.

I don't think I would adapt well into John's world. Or at least I would, because I'm a people pleaser, but as you say, my soul would not relax the way it does with Pete.

So why is John even an option in your head, then?

OP, I genuinely like your confidence in your own desirability, but I had a deeply awkward scenario a while back with a longtime close friend I'd known well since the mid-1990s both married, we'd gone on holidays together, we knew one another's extended families etc. I thought of him as a brother. Then he got divorced and the next time I saw him we now live in different countries -- he started telling me (stone cold sober) about the chemistry he'd always known was between us, and how if things had been otherwise, we'd have 'made a go of things'.

I think I said 'Let me stop you there.' The 'chemistry' was all in his head. I had never in 30 years given the remotest sexual thought to him, or considered him as a potential partner, and I was vaguely horrified he'd been deluding himself all these years. He then proceeded to tell me I was in denial, that I'd always been attracted to him, too, and I had to get quite sharp in my responses. After which I changed my flight and left early.

TheArtfulCodger · 21/07/2021 12:57

If John is your age and had his children VERY young, as you've repeatedly said, he is something of a saint (or martyr) to have remained in a marriage he didn't want with 4 children he didn't plan right up until 2 years ago. His children must be in their 30s now, so he could have ended the marriage years ago.

It seems you and Pete are a good match and have a comfortable life. If you won the lottery I doubt you would be having these thoughts. You're looking at retirement but he's not surely? He must be what, mid 40s? So plenty of earning potential for the next 20 years to keep you in the manner to which you've become accustomed. Enough time to build up some savings.

Sell up, down size, and move to a country where Pete can make a decent living. It will be a shock to his system but he needs to know he has to start contributing.

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 13:23

@OhtheVulgarity

But why would it be 'bullshit' to talk about love or disappointment or sadness that you may be ending your marriage, or wanting different things from life?
Because there's no need to say these things. He knows I love him. What's the point wringing your hands and crying?

Re: being a weirdo
I do think this is increasingly evident from your posts
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completely different -- you're a ageing go-getter belatedly craving economic security and Pete is a middle-aged Peter Pan
Quite. Hence my current dilemma, although your description of him is not true. It's not his fault he's in this situation. He is, in his own way, making the most of a position that would drive many people crazy.

So why is John even an option in your head, then?
Green grass syndrome. I don't apologise for it, and I do know it may have no basis in real life. I'm struggling with some feelings I didn't expect. This is where MN comes in handy, to work through them.

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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 13:28

@TheArtfulCodger
Thanks, exactly! That is the plan. Flowers

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MareofBeasttown · 21/07/2021 13:52

If only I had someone in my life to mop the floor with disinfectant.... I would rather that than all the roses in the world.

Ultimatecougar · 21/07/2021 13:58

OP If you don't want Pete, can I have him?

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 13:58

@MareofBeasttown

If only I had someone in my life to mop the floor with disinfectant.... I would rather that than all the roses in the world.
I hear you! it was worth the wait! 😍
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KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 13:59

@Ultimatecougar

OP If you don't want Pete, can I have him?
No! I'm beginning to see he has some good qualities after all 😋 so I'll just string him along for a bit longer until John rejects me in an excruciatingly embarrassing airport-encounter mismatch of expectations.
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MareofBeasttown · 21/07/2021 14:03

You are very funny. I can see why Pete is with you!

KormasABitch · 21/07/2021 14:10

@MareofBeasttown

You are very funny. I can see why Pete is with you!
Thank you, @MareofBeasttown Flowers Also smoking hot, don't forget 😋 although of course I might be joking about that too!!!!!!!!!!!!
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