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Lovely husband versus different life with friend – what to do?

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 13:33

Apologies for the long post, I will try not to dripfeed.

I have a lovely husband, let’s call him Pete. We’ve been together almost a decade. He’s devoted to me, endlessly kind; nothing is too much trouble. A few years ago, we moved to a country where, unfortunately, he can’t get work (I’m OK as I work online). We’re planning to move elsewhere. In the meantime, he does all the shopping and cooking, chops wood for the fire, etc. We get on brilliantly and have none of the irritations I associate even with close friendships. We have the same tastes in music, films etc and often enjoy lovely weekends away doing things together like hiking or cycling. We never get bored with each other’s company.

Pete’s quite a bit younger than me, which hasn’t worried us over the years because as far as we’re concerned, being incredibly compatible is so lucky that it outweighs everything. However, one snag is our difference in life experience. He’s used to renting a place, and I’m not sure he’ll ever be what I’d call a responsible home owner. General maintenance etc doesn’t seem to occur to him, and I don’t want to be a nag, but find the overall neglect depressing when I’m so busy. He covers the basics, but anything else is a bit like pushing water uphill.

None of this might have mattered had it not been for life throwing me a curve ball.

My oldest friend, “John” (we’ve known each other 20-odd years), got divorced a couple of years ago. I helped him through the emotional process. We’ve always been close (despite him living in another country), but I suppose that brought us a bit closer for a while. I never thought much of it when he left his wife, but over the past couple of years we have exchanged friendly (not flirtatious!) messages and sometimes I find myself pining for the kind of life I could have with him. Over the years, we’ve had some great adventures together (when married to other people, so we never acknowledged or acted on the chemistry that was there), we have a good laugh, we understand each other well, and we have the same values. Pete, for example, can’t be bothered with family and I wish he made more effort to know my parents, who won’t be around for much longer; whereas I know John would connect well.

I am approaching retirement age and financial security has become more important to me than it once was. I hate to admit it, but combining forces with someone who has worked as hard as me is also appealing.

This is all churning round and round in my head, and I feel ridiculous. I don’t want to discuss it with anyone IRL, but would appreciate any input here. I hate feeling even a smidgen of disloyalty to Pete, because I adore him. It feels as though my priorities in life might be shifting somewhat, but maybe I’m just doing that “grass greener” thing and should just STFU.

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 20:58

OK, so, sex.

It's not a key feature of our relationship. How could it be, when I am old enough to be his grandmother?!

Just joking. But there's a bit of truth in it. He doesn't care; we have a nice time when we have a nice time. He's never been one to go for "looks" and this is something that gives me security. I know he has committed to me for life, and is under no illusions about what that means, and considers it a fair trade.

Which makes me feel so bad about this wavering I feel just recently.

I mean, how hard is it to adore someone who gives you everything on a plate? That's not why he loves me, or the mask would have slipped by now. But it niggles at me a little.

I will probably post lots of bits and pieces. I type fast and like responding to specific questions. Plus, ladies. you are my only chance to make sense of this, and the 30-day countdown starts... NOW!!!

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Comedycook · 20/07/2021 21:12

Pete is a safe choice. Sounds like a bit of a lap dog. John might not be a great long term option. Can't you just combine their best bits to make a perfect boyfriend?!

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:13

@MarianneUnfaithful

Hmmmm.

How will things change once Pete is working? Will there be enough money to pay for the maintenance jobs that he currently neglects? Will you feel less exasperated with him?

I am concerned about what will happen when you actually retire. I guess you have been building a pension? Has he? As he is younger than you, and a bit feckless, will he be prepared to carry on working, support you as you are now supports him, and be happy to do that while you… do what? Retirement WITH Pete sounds great. But how many years will you be going off hiking in the week while he works? Or will you take over the shopping and cooking etc as he does now?

John sounds great but I think the difference in literary and cultural appreciation might become apparent once the horniness factor has lost its novelty, and as you retire you might become very resentful of his wandering eye.

How is sex with Pete, by the way?

Thank you so much for your thoughtful post, @MarianneUnfaithful (which sounds as though it should be my username!).

I hold my head in my hands with every post I type, because I am a ridiculous person. Yes, I did have a pension of sorts saved away, and then I spent it all when we moved abroad and realised we had bought not a house, but a ruin. Rebuilding it has been expensive, and I am not sure I will recoup the costs.

I would have loved for Pete to be a bit more helpful. I mean, I really get that the extent of his real-estate pride is putting the vacuum round before the landlord refunds the deposit, but I would love for him to understand things the way I do. Enter... John.

No of course Pete hasn't been building a pension. Unless you count special powers in World of Warcraft 🤣 It's funny, he did tell me years ago that WOW is responsible for marriages falling apart!

Yes, he would work and support me. But the difference in our backgrounds is enormous. I have had my nose to the grindstone for all my adult life. He has done just enough to get by. It's not that he lacks skills or intelligence, but he has resisted applying them. I don't blame him for this; I was a bit like that at uni.

And honestly, none of this mattered at all until recently. I'm not sure why the penny has dropped with such a massive thud all of a sudden, except that I am rather slow. On the other hand, his company is unbeatable. I wish he was a boring arsehole.

I'd love nothing more than to have time to cook and shop. I think I'd make a pretty good job of it. I mean, I've had decades of doing it for everyone else and myself. It's been such a treat to have someone do it for me. But...!

John doesn't have a wandering eye. He just appreciates what women look like, unlike Pete, who would rather play WOW 🤣

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:15

@Comedycook

Pete is a safe choice. Sounds like a bit of a lap dog. John might not be a great long term option. Can't you just combine their best bits to make a perfect boyfriend?!
@Comedycook, your username suggests you can magic this up. Go on, please! I'll pay you whatever you ask 😋 that would obviously be the ideal solution.
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Comedycook · 20/07/2021 21:16

Oh god the more you talk about Pete, the more o think you should call it a day. I know most of the posters on here think he's a wood chopping Saint but he sounds like an absolute bore to me

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:17

@MargotEmin

How would you feel if Pete walked out of your life OP? I kind of feel like that's your answer - if the idea devastates you then you have something work fighting for, if you'd just think 'result! I can crack on with horny football dude now!!' then you really do owe it to Pete to end this relationship
I would feel privileged to have spent the years I have with him, and blessed for the fact that he showed me I was lovable, unconditionally, for the first time in my life, and absolutely without fail. I fucking love him.

I don't really see John as horny football dude. I see him as someone more on my current level, someone who understands the value of things that Pete has yet to learn. Ouch.

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Comedycook · 20/07/2021 21:18

I reckon in a straight choice, I'd go for John but I've never gone for the safe choice where men are concerned!

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:19

@Comedycook

Oh god the more you talk about Pete, the more o think you should call it a day. I know most of the posters on here think he's a wood chopping Saint but he sounds like an absolute bore to me
He's not a bore at all. I wish he was. He's hilarious, and kind, and clever. He makes me laugh the minute I wake up. He's endlessly indulgent with treats.

It's just not quite the same as someone having your back in errrrrmmmmm, how do I put this, concrete terms. Which makes me sound like "such a bread head, maaaaan" 😉

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:20

@Comedycook

I reckon in a straight choice, I'd go for John but I've never gone for the safe choice where men are concerned!
Story of my fucking life 🤣
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Comedycook · 20/07/2021 21:22

Sorry op, I hear gaming and not much sex and think boring Grin

RAOK · 20/07/2021 21:22

Pete sounds like your 20 something son hanging around all day playing computer games. He may be depressed from not working for so long though in all seriousness and will probably be feeling the disparity as no matter how much wood he chops, it’s nowhere near equal to your contribution to your combined lifestyle which is bound to cause resentment on your part after so long no matter how strong the relationship is.

Why not suggest an open marriage and see John on the side? 😜

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:25

@RAOK

Pete sounds like your 20 something son hanging around all day playing computer games. He may be depressed from not working for so long though in all seriousness and will probably be feeling the disparity as no matter how much wood he chops, it’s nowhere near equal to your contribution to your combined lifestyle which is bound to cause resentment on your part after so long no matter how strong the relationship is.

Why not suggest an open marriage and see John on the side? 😜

I know, but then he made a fantastic curry tonight and he does chop a nice bit of wood.

Disparity is the name of the game here, and John matches me more perfectly.

However, what about the future? We haven't moved to that magical other country yet. Pete might come up trumps.

Or he might not, and then I've missed my boat again with John. I mean we have spent half our adult lives not saying things to each other out of loyalty to our current partners. I am not delusional here.

Or I might be!!!
but I'm pretty sure I'm not.

come on girls, I expect an avalanche of "who the fuck do you think you are" here 😋

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:26

That was a ridiculously flippant post. I wish I could beam you into my house now so you can meet Pete.

Pete is a totally wanker name for him, he's not a Pete at all. He is awesome. Just ... there are bits missing, that I didn't used to think mattered, and maybe they do.

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:28

@RAOK
He's not depressed from not working. He's the happiest person I know. Honestly, one of the things I LOVE about him is that he is never moody or miserable. He's what he calls "a simple man" (in the best sense, not like Benny Hill!) and counts his blessings every day.

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Grimbelina · 20/07/2021 21:28

I think you should just see if you could all live together...

MareofBeasttown · 20/07/2021 21:32

Can John cook? If not, stick with the man who can!

The endless wood chopping is intriguing. Do you live in the Canadian Rockies?

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:32

@Comedycook

Sorry op, I hear gaming and not much sex and think boring Grin
You say that, but you know, as I get older and flab/wrinkles appear, it's kind of nice not to have to worry about whether I am "desirable".

We get on with our own projects (admittedly his are mainly WOW! but it gives me space to do mine), and when we get together, we have a brilliant time. And on a day to day basis, we have a lovely time.

Pete has this plan for if I get dementia as I age. It involves IT: he would make sure a little film played every morning, when I woke up, to remind me who I am and who he is, and how much he loves me, before he brings in my tea and tells me how much he loves me. 💕 and I know he's not bullshitting me. What price do you put on that.

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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:34

@MareofBeasttown

Can John cook? If not, stick with the man who can!

The endless wood chopping is intriguing. Do you live in the Canadian Rockies?

Well it's not endless wood chopping. But it's a task I can't do myself, so I appreciate it, perhaps disproportionately 😍
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KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:35

@MareofBeasttown

Can John cook? If not, stick with the man who can!

The endless wood chopping is intriguing. Do you live in the Canadian Rockies?

John can pay for meals out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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occa · 20/07/2021 21:38

It's a bit worrying that you say you've had your 'nose to the grindstone' all your life, you have no children and you're nearly at retirement and you've blown your sort of pension on a ruined house.

How's that going to work when you don't work any more? Do you have plenty of other assets to fall back on? It doesn't sound like you're in a good position for retirement at all!

Comedycook · 20/07/2021 21:39

@Grimbelina

I think you should just see if you could all live together...
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Greenmarmalade · 20/07/2021 21:39

TEAM PETE!

John has to stay as a fantasy.

KormasABitch · 20/07/2021 21:51

@occa

It's a bit worrying that you say you've had your 'nose to the grindstone' all your life, you have no children and you're nearly at retirement and you've blown your sort of pension on a ruined house.

How's that going to work when you don't work any more? Do you have plenty of other assets to fall back on? It doesn't sound like you're in a good position for retirement at all!

Quite. I wish this had occurred to me sooner!

It's a joke that I talk about Pete needing to grow up. 🤨

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Preech · 20/07/2021 21:54

Would I be right in guessing that there's something like a 15-20 year age gap between you two? Not quite 25 years, but an age gap large enough that you two may have tied the knot when he was, say, in his early or mid 20s and maybe you were in your early or mid 40s? And therefore, he was the laid back "fun" one at an age when you'd expect him to be, and you were too "old" to have children, but still young enough and earning enough to take chances on projects like moving abroad on a whim?

I wonder if you'll get more speaking all of this out with a good therapist, OP. That would be a safer space to examine your own values and the roots of your thoughts, rather than here. A counsellor or a psychologist isn't going to hand over your feelings to the Daily Fail either.

It sounds like your Pete could maybe use someone to talk with too, whether that's through marriage counselling with you, or in sessions on his own. Is it possible he's sinking so much time into WOW lately because he's also deeply unhappy, but trying to avoid working through his feelings?

As for John, and any potential life together ... I am a stepmother myself. In my experience, a lot of kids are wary of new partners, and that wariness grows stronger the older they get. You wouldn't ever be a second mom to John's adult children; their own mother established that bond with them. You wouldn't be supporting John raising them, because they are adults. You'd be "dad's girlfriend" instead. You'd just be that lady who lives with him, who they have to buy a Christmas present for to be polite. Especially if the split is fresh, and very especially if they never saw the split coming.

occa · 20/07/2021 22:00

Quite. I wish this had occurred to me sooner!

Oh lord. P'raps you're panicking a bit about money and thinking of cable-knit John as a way out?

Usually on second marriages, especially when there are children involved on one or both sides, finances are kept pretty separate though. If John is near your age and financially sorted then he's probably got his estate planning in place already and lots of his assets will be locked up.

I think a ménage may be your best option here. D'you reckon Pete would go for it? As long as he gets to pick the music?