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£5.50

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PinotPony · 03/07/2021 08:05

Ex and I split a couple of years ago. Very amicable and we've remained good friends. We still do "family" things like meals out with our two sons (16 and 12).

When we split, we agreed what he'd pay me in child maintenance - £500 a month. He takes home about £2500 so I knew it was broadly about right but we didn't calculate it in any particular detail. I just wanted enough to be able to stay in the house. We were not married so there's no spousal maintenance. I earn a similar amount.

We were fortunate that his mother gave him £150k towards a new property. I stayed in our house and he effectively has a charge on the property for his share of the equity which is to be paid to him when the youngest child leaves full time education. The children stay with him every Wednesday and EOW although we're fairly flexible about this.

Money has always been a problem between us. We disagreed about whether big payments for things like school trips or scout camp should be included within the monthly amount he pays. I thought he should contribute to them but he felt otherwise.

As growing boys, our sons need new clothes. I don't have any problem with buying what they need but, when I suggested to ex that he might buy the odd item of clothing, he said he'd do that if he could deduct £100 from my maintenance! I've had to buy things like extra deodorant and hair gel because the boys say they don't have any at his place. I've told him very clearly he needs to include these items in his weekly grocery shop as necessary.

Last month ex told me he intends to build a home gym at a cost of £6,000. He lives across the road from our local leisure centre! I managed not to roll my eyes too loudly. It's all BS and I suspect will never happen.

Now covid restrictions have started to lift, the boys are back at activities. Eldest decided he didn't want to return to Scouts. It costs £11 per month. I told ex. When I received my maintenance he'd deducted £5.50 and paid me £494.50!

I didn't shout or get shitty, just told him I was pretty disappointed that he was so tight with money. He just shrugged it off and said he thought it was fair. I thought he might change it back after our conversation but this month he's done the same.

£5.50 shouldn't bother me. It's not worth getting into a war. But I'm sooo pissed off about it. I feel like asking for his payslips so we can just do it all formally. I also feel like I don't want to spend any more time in the company of this selfish man who would send his kids to school in torn trousers than fork out for a new pair.

Any ideas on how to handle the situation? Read him the riot act or just let it go..?

OP posts:
summersolstice43 · 03/07/2021 20:14

So is he expecting you to buy the kids toiletries and other essentials for his house too?

category12 · 03/07/2021 20:15

I get £160 a month off my ex. But I'll keep the kids most of the time, thank you very much Grin - he's the one missing out on so much and if he thinks he's getting one over on me money-wise, that's fine.

summersolstice43 · 03/07/2021 20:17

@Dancingonmoonlight.

Thats all I've ever had off him. My DD spends alternate weekends at his and the odd weeknight depending on his shifts and he also buys her things but they tend to stay at his. But, my DD knows the score and she knows who's brought her up, taken her on holidays etc

Amotherlife · 03/07/2021 20:22

I should imagine the £185,000 to raise a child includes the fact families buy bigger houses, cars etc than child free couples. It won't just be the monthly outgoings that are more obvious.

We have two and an income of around £4500 in take home pay. We don't literally spend £1700 on our children directly each months but most household bills etc are higher due to the fact they live with us. And we wouldn't have bought our house in this (more expensive due to being near good schools) area if we didn't have them.

Or3ngina · 03/07/2021 20:44

Omg you were married to my ex! He'd deduct 0.13p if he thought he could justify it.

Taliskerskye · 03/07/2021 21:13

What a twat,
But for god sake DO NOT EVER bring it up with him. Pretend you didn’t even notice. He is going only doing it to wind you up. That’s it.

Be the bigger person. Don’t let him know it even rattled you. IF he mentions it, say, oh dear I didn’t even notice, did you!?

Bananasinpyjamas21 · 03/07/2021 22:36

@category12

I get £160 a month off my ex. But I'll keep the kids most of the time, thank you very much Grin - he's the one missing out on so much and if he thinks he's getting one over on me money-wise, that's fine.
Yes my Ex paid me similar, although took the month ‘off’ after he had him for two weeks holidays. Sad I often took your attitude, however sometimes I think we should fight more. As our kids do really lose out - financial security and having enough make quite a difference to how our kids feel going forward from childhood. Not our fault, but I think, and I include me, that often we single resident women parents just accept far too little in maintenance.

And the biggest expense isn’t just the housing/costs - but the loss of earnings that we have accommodating our children over their liftime and the loss of pension etc. That is absolutely huge when you think about it. I’ve taken massive hits to my earnings twice, in order to move to a better place (schools) and then go part-time (DS struggling so was around more). I saw that as a luxury of choice, that I made. However it was no luxury, I’ve missed out on thousands because of that, and ‘choosing’ to parent as well as we can shouldn’t come with a massive financial hit.

HollowTalk · 03/07/2021 23:47

I think the friendship you thought you had doesn't actually exist. I'd just talk to him when it's absolutely necessary from now on.

Starseeking · 04/07/2021 07:45

@CrazyCatsAndKittens

I once read a great blog post by a guy who was saying that if his kid needed new shoes all his Ex had to do was ask because he’s not an asshole and is happy to pay for anything his kid needs like that. I wish I could find it again for you to accidentally leave open for next time your Ex is over.

Instead of the DM having to ask, perhaps the DF who wrote this blog post could simply have opened his eyes and noticed that his DC needed new shoes? Sometimes the low expectations people have on here is men is so depressing. Wife work always seems to be expected, despite the relationship split.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 04/07/2021 11:56

So true @Starseeking

singlehun · 04/07/2021 12:44

@Amotherlife

I should imagine the £185,000 to raise a child includes the fact families buy bigger houses, cars etc than child free couples. It won't just be the monthly outgoings that are more obvious.

We have two and an income of around £4500 in take home pay. We don't literally spend £1700 on our children directly each months but most household bills etc are higher due to the fact they live with us. And we wouldn't have bought our house in this (more expensive due to being near good schools) area if we didn't have them.

Yes that's right but single parents still have these costs
singlehun · 04/07/2021 12:52

[quote rwalker]@singlehun
Apparently it costs £185,000 to raise a child in the uk. So just over £850 a month per child.

Well if he's paying £500 that over half

Doubt this figure as we have 2 kids and if it cost the much and our wages we wouldn't of been able to buy house ,car or modest holiday[/quote]
It's an average isn't it. And with 40k earnings each, you'd expect op and her ex to sit above this average

Branleuse · 04/07/2021 13:15

185k is average and takes into account those who use high fee private education etc and live in expensive areas

ElephantOfRisk · 04/07/2021 14:56

Yes, it's an average. I'm one of 7 and I know for certain my DParents didn't spend that, lucky if they earned £185k in their entire lifetime. It also takes account nursery fees and perhaps loss of income if there is a stay ay home parent? University costs etc?

I think we have just over the average income in our family but we have at times been below. DC are 21 and 20 (almost) and still 2 years of Uni to go and I reckon we haven't spend £185k on each but it will be a lot. We wouldn't have bought this size of house, needed a bigger car, needed two cars at times, DH didn't work for a few years as childcare was more than his wage. Extra life insurance we wouldn't have needed, and that's before extra costs of holidays, food, heating, clothes, toys, gifts, clubs, classes, music lessons, camps etc etc

Obviously people can only spend what they can afford so clothes spend for one family might be £200 a year and for another £200 a month.

Minezatea · 04/07/2021 15:38

*This is fag packet but to illustrate what costs look like averaged for the month for me- and this is child specific costs only -

Rent (diff between 1 bed - which I would rent if childless/ didn’t have custody- and 2 bed where I live)- £200 pcm

Gas/electricity- est 1/3 is child specific use- £40 pcm

Food, toiletries & soap powder (special for eczema skin), over the counter medicine (daily antihistamine, spare spacers for inhalers etc), sunscreen, vitamin supplements for child only - ave £200 pcm

Clothes/shoes/toys/books/sundries (averaged over the year) - £50

Christmas and birthday gifts averaged over the year - £20

Childcare - £509 pcm

Gymnastics club - 1 session per week = £40 pcm

1 x local “day out” per month (food, public transport, attraction entry) - £20

=£1060

And I have ONE child. And am careful with money.

If we take off the childcare it still comes to just over £500. He’s 4, so isn’t even eating like a teenager would.
*

Doesn't the OP have no mortgage? And no childcare fees? So by your calculation it would actually cost around £300? Presents should come off too as OP will pay for her presents to the kids and OP Ex will pay for his. Obviously bigger kids will cost more to feed and clothe but it won't be £500 a month for the 2 of them for clothes, toiletries Are you saying then that £1140 is plenty?

Emerarta · 04/07/2021 18:40

I think what is being missed here by previous posters us that it us not bankrupting him to pay the op £500 per month. I don’t agree that just because legally he could pay less absolves him from morally paying what he should. The op is not objecting to the amount but his pettiness in deducting paltry sums whilst boasting about his new purchases.

I’m amazed at some responses. He’s not doing the op a favour - he’s supposedly sharing the responsibility of his children! Therefore is she supposed to cover any and all expenses if he decides at a whim to reduce his contribution.

He’s trying to annoy you OP. Ignore him completely but stop any interaction with him out with information re your dc.

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