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PinotPony · 03/07/2021 08:05

Ex and I split a couple of years ago. Very amicable and we've remained good friends. We still do "family" things like meals out with our two sons (16 and 12).

When we split, we agreed what he'd pay me in child maintenance - £500 a month. He takes home about £2500 so I knew it was broadly about right but we didn't calculate it in any particular detail. I just wanted enough to be able to stay in the house. We were not married so there's no spousal maintenance. I earn a similar amount.

We were fortunate that his mother gave him £150k towards a new property. I stayed in our house and he effectively has a charge on the property for his share of the equity which is to be paid to him when the youngest child leaves full time education. The children stay with him every Wednesday and EOW although we're fairly flexible about this.

Money has always been a problem between us. We disagreed about whether big payments for things like school trips or scout camp should be included within the monthly amount he pays. I thought he should contribute to them but he felt otherwise.

As growing boys, our sons need new clothes. I don't have any problem with buying what they need but, when I suggested to ex that he might buy the odd item of clothing, he said he'd do that if he could deduct £100 from my maintenance! I've had to buy things like extra deodorant and hair gel because the boys say they don't have any at his place. I've told him very clearly he needs to include these items in his weekly grocery shop as necessary.

Last month ex told me he intends to build a home gym at a cost of £6,000. He lives across the road from our local leisure centre! I managed not to roll my eyes too loudly. It's all BS and I suspect will never happen.

Now covid restrictions have started to lift, the boys are back at activities. Eldest decided he didn't want to return to Scouts. It costs £11 per month. I told ex. When I received my maintenance he'd deducted £5.50 and paid me £494.50!

I didn't shout or get shitty, just told him I was pretty disappointed that he was so tight with money. He just shrugged it off and said he thought it was fair. I thought he might change it back after our conversation but this month he's done the same.

£5.50 shouldn't bother me. It's not worth getting into a war. But I'm sooo pissed off about it. I feel like asking for his payslips so we can just do it all formally. I also feel like I don't want to spend any more time in the company of this selfish man who would send his kids to school in torn trousers than fork out for a new pair.

Any ideas on how to handle the situation? Read him the riot act or just let it go..?

OP posts:
SinkGirl · 03/07/2021 16:02

I’d be asking him why he hasn’t added on the £12.87 or whatever it costs for toiletries that they now need a month - this should surely cut both ways? If a cost goes away and he can deduct, where’s his contribution to the additional things they need now?

Has their pocket money increased for example?

accentdusoleil · 03/07/2021 16:12

Is he on the wind up? Really with a laughing emoji or something similar

accentdusoleil · 03/07/2021 16:12

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Tryinghardfornothing89 · 03/07/2021 16:39

What are you spending the £500 on if not the things you're asking him to pay extra for? £500 is quite alot of money to spend every month on 2 kids in my opinion.

category12 · 03/07/2021 16:43

@Tryinghardfornothing89

What are you spending the £500 on if not the things you're asking him to pay extra for? £500 is quite alot of money to spend every month on 2 kids in my opinion.
I would think the child support money goes towards the children's food, utilities and housing expenses, clothes, uniform, shoes, transport costs - the normal costs parents have. Hmm What kind of question is that?
Tinacollada · 03/07/2021 16:48

Let it go and have a peaceful life

Tinacollada · 03/07/2021 16:53

And OP, yes of course he is a dick for doing it. But it needs to be water off a ducks back

singlehun · 03/07/2021 16:56

@Tryinghardfornothing89

What are you spending the £500 on if not the things you're asking him to pay extra for? £500 is quite alot of money to spend every month on 2 kids in my opinion.
It's not a lot to spend if you're on a salary of £40,000
singlehun · 03/07/2021 16:59

Apparently it costs £185,000 to raise a child in the uk. So just over £850 a month per child.

Making a £500 contribution spot on considering OP and her ex both have higher than average salaries so you'd expect their children to have a higher than average standard of living

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 03/07/2021 17:01

He’s an embarrassment. Maintenance is the legal amount required by law - the minimum not the maximum! My DH pays maintenance to his ex but we share her almost 50-50 so his legally mandated amount is quite low. However we also pay for half my DSDs activities, trips, school clothes, shoes, coats, etc. She also has a fully stocked wardrobe and bedroom here, because it’s her home! Refusing to add their essentials to his shopping must make your boys feel like they are in a hotel! Poor excuse for a Dad and probably not even worth the battle because sadly the law allows this behaviour Hmm

rwalker · 03/07/2021 17:20

@singlehun
Apparently it costs £185,000 to raise a child in the uk. So just over £850 a month per child.

Well if he's paying £500 that over half

Doubt this figure as we have 2 kids and if it cost the much and our wages we wouldn't of been able to buy house ,car or modest holiday

knittingaddict · 03/07/2021 17:24

@Tryinghardfornothing89

What are you spending the £500 on if not the things you're asking him to pay extra for? £500 is quite alot of money to spend every month on 2 kids in my opinion.
The difference between a one bed house and a two bed or even three bed? Extra laundry costs, water and heating? Food? Nappies? Clothes? A car big enough to transport children around and car seats. Bigger accommodation when you go on holiday? The extra costs of having children are many. Did you think it was to cover treats and activities?
Babygotblueyes · 03/07/2021 17:28

Going against the grain - I see a lot of fathers who dont feel that extras are anything to do with them and I really feel they should be contributing, otherwise the custodial parent (usually the woman) is actually much worse off overall.

VaguelyInteresting · 03/07/2021 17:29

@Tryinghardfornothing89

Pls see my post above. It steps out very modest expenditure on one child, and exceeds £500 easily.

CrazyCatsAndKittens · 03/07/2021 17:37

I once read a great blog post by a guy who was saying that if his kid needed new shoes all his Ex had to do was ask because he’s not an asshole and is happy to pay for anything his kid needs like that. I wish I could find it again for you to accidentally leave open for next time your Ex is over.

PicsInRed · 03/07/2021 18:21

@CrazyCatsAndKittens

I once read a great blog post by a guy who was saying that if his kid needed new shoes all his Ex had to do was ask because he’s not an asshole and is happy to pay for anything his kid needs like that. I wish I could find it again for you to accidentally leave open for next time your Ex is over.
Or he could pay adequate child maintenance so she doesn't have to ask. Or, you know, take his own child to the shoe shop himself.

The bar is so low for fathers that his "all she had to do is ask" is seen as a good thing, when it's actually bloody terrible.

Babyroobs · 03/07/2021 18:27

@singlehun

Apparently it costs £185,000 to raise a child in the uk. So just over £850 a month per child.

Making a £500 contribution spot on considering OP and her ex both have higher than average salaries so you'd expect their children to have a higher than average standard of living

That's odd then because we've brought up 4 kids and no way have our salaries have probably just about equaled £3400 per month for the past ten years ( no benefits on top ).
Dancingonmoonlight · 03/07/2021 18:32

If you dont consider that his contribution covers things like clubs and expenses for school, what does it cover?

Can you really not run two lads on £1000 a month?

I imagine the OP is spending money on housing, bills, council tax, food, education expenses, activities, electronics, outings, as well as haircuts and hair gels!!! I also imagine the OP has FAR less disposable income to spend on herself than the 2000 pounds their father has to spend on himself.

He sounds awful OP.

NotaCoolMum · 03/07/2021 19:31

@Fullofglee

Where are you getting the £1,000 from? It's not down to the dad to contribute all the cost so if its costing him 500 then it should cost op the same to keep the boys. It looks like she was extras when she's get a very reasonable amount. He's trying to make an a point.

NotaCoolMum £400 is very reasonable for one child why should you ex then spend more when costs are you paying out? I get £140 we then share school dinners paying one week any activities halfed and get different items of school clothing.

He doesn’t spend a penny on his son besides what he legally HAS to pay. 🙄 I really don’t feel the need to justify it to you though.
PinotPony · 03/07/2021 19:33

Whether £500 is a lot is all relative though. I know lots of single mums would be delighted with £500. I'm delighted with £500!

It gets spent on the usual... putting a roof over their head, utilities, food (so much food!), mobile phones, petrol running them around, clothing, clubs, gym membership for eldest... I don't think I'm particularly flashy with money. I try to keep costs down where I can.

But the £500 isn't the issue. It's the annoyance that I'm always the one to buy everything. He'll buy the kids a takeaway when they stay at his but not much more.

He's not awful. He's selfish but he's fundamentally a decent bloke.

I don't like being pissed off at him so will see if I can broach it with him next week. No fighting or rowing, just tell him how I feel about it. Worst he can say is no..!

OP posts:
summersolstice43 · 03/07/2021 19:36

To be fair the money you get from your ex is exactly for those kind of things so he shouldn't be expected to pay anymore if you're already getting that amount.
I get £130 a month for my DD and have done for the past 13 years no matter what. Her dad went half's with large payments like school trip to Germany but I buy uniform, pay for lunches, toiletries etc as thats what child maintenance is for.

NotaCoolMum · 03/07/2021 19:37

@PinotPony

Whether £500 is a lot is all relative though. I know lots of single mums would be delighted with £500. I'm delighted with £500!

It gets spent on the usual... putting a roof over their head, utilities, food (so much food!), mobile phones, petrol running them around, clothing, clubs, gym membership for eldest... I don't think I'm particularly flashy with money. I try to keep costs down where I can.

But the £500 isn't the issue. It's the annoyance that I'm always the one to buy everything. He'll buy the kids a takeaway when they stay at his but not much more.

He's not awful. He's selfish but he's fundamentally a decent bloke.

I don't like being pissed off at him so will see if I can broach it with him next week. No fighting or rowing, just tell him how I feel about it. Worst he can say is no..!

Exactly this- it’s not the monetary amount- it’s the principle that he does the legal required minimum. I get it completely.
PinotPony · 03/07/2021 19:44

@summersolstice43

To be fair the money you get from your ex is exactly for those kind of things so he shouldn't be expected to pay anymore if you're already getting that amount. I get £130 a month for my DD and have done for the past 13 years no matter what. Her dad went half's with large payments like school trip to Germany but I buy uniform, pay for lunches, toiletries etc as thats what child maintenance is for.
I don't expect him to pay me more.

I do expect him to buy his children a toothbrush to use at his house, or pay for a haircut once in a while.

I don't expect him to start deducting pennies from what he gives me simply because one child stops going to scouts.

OP posts:
Suzi888 · 03/07/2021 19:46

@Bksjshsbbev2737

If he earns £2500 then I think you get quite a bit more than cms would give you so I’d be cautious about reading him the riot act about extra costs.
^ this
Dancingonmoonlight · 03/07/2021 20:06

Reading about one parent getting 130 pounds a month to 'support' their child is depressing.

I'd be tempted to let the parent giving 130 pounds a month half custody and keep the children at his house for six months of the year. Apart from the financial expenses, let that parent deal with the emotional costs and the loss of their time as well.