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DP and radically different attitudes to money

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DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 12:10

NC for obvious reasons, please don't out me if you think you know me.

I will try to put this as neutrally as possible.

When DP and I met, DP had substantial debt in a debt management plan. I knew about this from early on and was told it was all under control and that, once it was paid off, it would all be ok. I accepted this and, once the relationship got more serious, I was fine with the idea that we were a unit and therefore I would end up paying much more of day-to-day expenses (rent etc).

Since then, DP had a baby. Several times over the past few years, I have discovered DP has not told me the whole truth about money. It's been a mixture of DP not finding out what the truth was and telling me something that wasn't correct, or DP actively lying. Needless to say it has been very rocky.

During this time, we have both had patches of unemployment or under-employment, the longest of which involved me working one year when I worked part-time and had baby DD part-time, and one year when I wasn't working at all and had DD nearly full time (we had her in nursery two afternoons so I qualify to get a job, which I then got).

Since the first time I found out DP had not told me the full truth, I have made the point that I have been spending my savings, including an inheritance my relative meant for a house deposit, to meet our costs. I have always paid at least half, including when I wasn't working, and in total I've paid far more than half.

Now my job has come to an end, and DP has been promoted; I am looking at another patch of possible unemployment and DP is in a position to save money. DP wants us to continue paying half the household costs each. DP's logic here is that, if a relationship is going well, you treat household money as shared, but I have been repeatedly saying I felt that DP had effectively spent 'my' money on false pretences, therefore our relationship no longer functions this way.

DP has absolutely no savings and feels very vulnerable; I am very fortunate as I still do have a small amount of savings and my parents are lending me money to buy a house (me, not DP).

DP's position is that if we each pay 50% of bills, it'll be possible to save about 400 per month, and then when there's 5k in the bank, that would be the time to consider letting me pay less than 50%. But until DP has 5k in the bank, there is no chance of letting me pay less than 50%, let alone subsidising me while unemployed.

I feel really angry and cheated here. DP insists I don't get it because I am not, and have never been, financially really vulnerable. This is true. DP also feels that, if we split up, I would be fine because of my savings and the house. DP says if we stay together, of course the 5k savings would be pooled, but until it's clear the relationship is stable, not saving that money would be too risky. I feel that it is ethically wrong.

What do you think?

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30degreesandmeltinghere · 15/06/2021 12:44

Ime you don't pool money together if one person has lied and been deceitful about finances...
Ime you question your future...

DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 12:44

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

But if childcare is required in the summer by both of you and the child belongs to both of you then why is it that she was going to pay, she didnt, so you had to?

The child needed the childcare because both of you required it.

Because she literally didn't have it. I know where you're coming from, ethically.
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ravenmum · 15/06/2021 12:44

DP's solution is to say she'll save up until she has 5k; if I'm out of work I will have to use my savings to pay 50% of costs because her savings must come first.

Of course her plan is rubbish for you. Maybe it would help if you have a firm legal arrangement in place for if you break up, ensuring that you both pay for dd?
But I wonder if she is actually trying to build up a break-up stash so she has enough cash to set up a new place without you?
Did your parent explicitly say the house deposit was for you only? So you'd be buying a house just for you?

DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 12:45

@30degreesandmeltinghere

Ime you don't pool money together if one person has lied and been deceitful about finances... Ime you question your future...
Oh, believe me, I do.

This is me really grasping at straws and trying to understand what on earth is going on.

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TheCheeseBadge · 15/06/2021 12:46

I agree with you, if you've stepped up in times of DPs mat leave / unemployment / debt repayments, then she should step up for you. It's not really about being right or wrong though, how do you resolve it if you're both disagreeing? And will there be simmering resentment when you're employed again and yet again paying more than your "half"? Or DP feels resentment over your increased earnings and your savings and house?

I think from your post that you're both women and I wonder if the bio- and non-bio mum thing plays a part in this as well? No judgement at all - we're a 2 mum family and work hard to ensure there is never any resentment or feelings of inequality from either side (in our relationship bio mum is the lower earner, directly impacted by two pregnancies / mat leaves, and sometimes worries about the inequalities of contribution, where there is a lot of effort put in by non bio mum (and bio mum!) to ensure they are also "proper" mum and not seen by either kids or outsiders as bring second best).

DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 12:50

@ravenmum

DP's solution is to say she'll save up until she has 5k; if I'm out of work I will have to use my savings to pay 50% of costs because her savings must come first.

Of course her plan is rubbish for you. Maybe it would help if you have a firm legal arrangement in place for if you break up, ensuring that you both pay for dd?
But I wonder if she is actually trying to build up a break-up stash so she has enough cash to set up a new place without you?
Did your parent explicitly say the house deposit was for you only? So you'd be buying a house just for you?

I can't honestly see a legal agreement would help. I don't think she is worried about me absconding and not supporting DD; she is worried that if we split up, she would struggle to give DD the sort of home we have together, and even worried she might not be able to rent somewhere, which would leave me as a default resident parent.

My parents are extremely clear the house deposit is just for me.

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ravenmum · 15/06/2021 12:52

I have to say that both the examples of lying you give could suggest she's been saving up - a) actually saving up money for the summer then changing her mind and saying she hadn't (and keeping the savings), and b) not wanting to continue the debt repayments as it would mean drawing off her savings. Or do you think she's just lying to cover up poor organisation skills?

DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 12:54

@TheCheeseBadge

I agree with you, if you've stepped up in times of DPs mat leave / unemployment / debt repayments, then she should step up for you. It's not really about being right or wrong though, how do you resolve it if you're both disagreeing? And will there be simmering resentment when you're employed again and yet again paying more than your "half"? Or DP feels resentment over your increased earnings and your savings and house?

I think from your post that you're both women and I wonder if the bio- and non-bio mum thing plays a part in this as well? No judgement at all - we're a 2 mum family and work hard to ensure there is never any resentment or feelings of inequality from either side (in our relationship bio mum is the lower earner, directly impacted by two pregnancies / mat leaves, and sometimes worries about the inequalities of contribution, where there is a lot of effort put in by non bio mum (and bio mum!) to ensure they are also "proper" mum and not seen by either kids or outsiders as bring second best).

Yes, I'm sure that plays in (and thank you so much for replying; it's so useful having a response from someone else in a two mum relationship and it's so hard to get that perspective!).

We're the opposite way around in some ways - DP is the bio mum but had to go back to work after maternity leave, so I have been at home with DD, and ultimately me being home with DD has helped DP's career and hindered mine. I might potentially earn more if I get another job (I earn a bit more now), but it doesn't neatly follow your tradition mum/dad/main carer/main earner pattern.

I think the simmering resentment is the issue. I do get why, if I were DP, I would feel the world is unfair because I don't have family who step in and loan money or leave inheritance money. But I also feel really angry DP doesn't even seem to consider I might feel upset and hurt at her presenting it as an obvious solution that she'll save 5k and then see if she feels like being in a relationship (which is how it feels).

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DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 12:55

@ravenmum

I have to say that both the examples of lying you give could suggest she's been saving up - a) actually saving up money for the summer then changing her mind and saying she hadn't (and keeping the savings), and b) not wanting to continue the debt repayments as it would mean drawing off her savings. Or do you think she's just lying to cover up poor organisation skills?
Well, it's not impossible she's been saving, I suppose. Because she's lied before I can't exclude anything.

But I definitely think she panics about money and lies to cover that up.

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RosieGuacamosie · 15/06/2021 12:56

The debt is wrong and that would be a dealbreaker for me, however I also think it’s wrong about your parents helping you buy a house just for you. This must make your partner feel very vulnerable and I’m not surprised she wants some savings behind her to give her some security.

ravenmum · 15/06/2021 12:57

So the house wouldn't belong to her, and if she pays towards it, it will effectively be rent?

DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 12:58

@RosieGuacamosie

The debt is wrong and that would be a dealbreaker for me, however I also think it’s wrong about your parents helping you buy a house just for you. This must make your partner feel very vulnerable and I’m not surprised she wants some savings behind her to give her some security.
I knew about the debt from the first; it predates our relationship. I wouldn't hold that against her in isolation.

My parents are loaning me the money, not her, because they don't feel they could trust her to pay it back.

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DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 12:59

@ravenmum

So the house wouldn't belong to her, and if she pays towards it, it will effectively be rent?
Yes. She won't pay anything towards upkeep of the house (it's a doer-upper and needs some structural work, which is why I'm not keen to go further into my savings). We agreed she'd pay something on the low end of market rent.
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MrsSquirrel · 15/06/2021 13:02

Sounds like she wants you to spend the savings you have in your name in order for her to build up savings in her own name. This doesn't make any financial sense.

To me, pooling money means you look at your total income and expenses, then come up with a plan where you each have the same amount of disposable income each month. If only one partner is earning, your total income is what that person earns.

Do you have a budget? If not, you need to start by making one.

ravenmum · 15/06/2021 13:02

So if you break up, would she be starting out from zero on the property ladder?

updownroundandround · 15/06/2021 13:03

Nope, no way get a grip OP !

Your DP is responsible for a string of debts and a cobweb of lies !

Your DP has expected you to pay more while they were supposedly paying down a debt ( NOT your debt !).

Your DP has expected you to dig them out of the shit again when they've lied about their savings, leaving you to pay for extra childcare bills !

Your DP now expects you to continue to pay MORE than your share of bills, so that they can save more ???? WTAF ????

I'd be laying my thoughts out like that, and telling 'D'P that I would NOT be paying MORE for THEIR bloody past mistakes/ lies and overall untrustworthyness !!

'D'P either pays 50% of everything going forwards (and they can reduce their own extravagant spending if they want to save money FFS !), because you are not responsible for the fact that they do not have any bloody savings !!!!

DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 13:04

@MrsSquirrel - yes, we have a budget.

@ravenmum - yes, she would.

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category12 · 15/06/2021 13:05

Wouldn't you be better just giving her £5k flat out, right now? That's basically what you would be doing with her plan but in a dragged out, convoluted way.

I kind of think it's what you should do if you're intent on leaving aside the past, making it work (and if you can afford to lose it) - put some of the money into her name and thereafter both contribute in proportion to your incomes. Have a detailed budget conversation and a shared pot for shared outgoings (household, childcare, transport, shared savings, mutual leisure) and your own pots for personal expenses (clothes, phone, personal savings etc).

But I'm not sure that's where you at, relationship-wise.

KylieKoKo · 15/06/2021 13:06

Op I can see where you are coming from. She is irresponsible with money, has been known to lie about it and now wants you to supplement her whole she saves. I imagine that she might be the sort of person to spend the cash she's meant to be saving and then your savings would be demolished for no reason. Would she agree to save into a joint account so it's not just herself she's saving for and you can at least see that she is actually saving?

DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 13:07

@category12

Wouldn't you be better just giving her £5k flat out, right now? That's basically what you would be doing with her plan but in a dragged out, convoluted way.

I kind of think it's what you should do if you're intent on leaving aside the past, making it work (and if you can afford to lose it) - put some of the money into her name and thereafter both contribute in proportion to your incomes. Have a detailed budget conversation and a shared pot for shared outgoings (household, childcare, transport, shared savings, mutual leisure) and your own pots for personal expenses (clothes, phone, personal savings etc).

But I'm not sure that's where you at, relationship-wise.

I see where you're coming from here. I think, in all honesty, that I would feel uncomfortable giving her as much as 5k.

I had assumed she'd have saved about 2, 2.5k by the time my contract ended; I thought that would be a decent 'cushion'. So that factors into my thinking here.

We do have a detailed budget like that; at the moment that works fine because we're both earning. The issue is if I am out of a job temporarily. Obviously I hope that doesn't happen, but it might.

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DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 13:08

@KylieKoKo

Op I can see where you are coming from. She is irresponsible with money, has been known to lie about it and now wants you to supplement her whole she saves. I imagine that she might be the sort of person to spend the cash she's meant to be saving and then your savings would be demolished for no reason. Would she agree to save into a joint account so it's not just herself she's saving for and you can at least see that she is actually saving?
I'm fairly sure she would just say if it's in a joint account, I could take it so she wouldn't feel it's really 'hers'.
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ravenmum · 15/06/2021 13:09

That's quite a drawback for her. If she moves in with you, she's choosing a path that could prevent her from owning a home. If you break up when she is, say, 45, she'd have to have saved up a load of money by then to get a mortgage. So she'd have to be paying you rent and saving that money the whole time.

DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 13:12

@ravenmum

That's quite a drawback for her. If she moves in with you, she's choosing a path that could prevent her from owning a home. If you break up when she is, say, 45, she'd have to have saved up a load of money by then to get a mortgage. So she'd have to be paying you rent and saving that money the whole time.
Ah, sorry, I've not been clear. We live together in a rented house. We moved in together before DD was born. Prior to that she was a lodger and I rented elsewhere. She's not giving up a rental contract or selling a property in order to live with me; her credit history means it would have been hard for her to find somewhere to rent alone.

At the moment, she cannot get a mortgage. She might be eligible to get one in six years (maybe less; I'm not sure as it will depend on her credit rating).

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DPMoneyWorries · 15/06/2021 13:13

(We had been trying to get a mortgage in principle together before my parents offered to loan me the money.)

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Hoppinggreen · 15/06/2021 13:16

Who is the child’s father? Does he contribute?
I’m assuming you are a same sex couple, in which case your DP is the mother but what are you in legal terms?
It’s important in case you split

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