Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Difficult SIL with newborn

111 replies

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 16:35

I’m struggling with my relationship with my SIL (DH’s brother’s wife) and hoping for some advice.

She’s always been a very difficult character (glass half empty, always very negative, very insecure, can’t be happy for anyone, thinks the world is out to get her, rude and verbally aggressive to anyone and everyone). We have as little to do with her as we can, so only see her at wider family events.

She had a baby girl a couple of months ago and has struggled a bit with things (just the normal lack of sleep, getting used to being a mum etc, as well as general Covid worries).

We’ve been as supportive as we can (sending gifts, nice messages, a bit of money when they said they were struggling, etc.) but haven’t seen them as we haven’t been invited and we haven’t wanted to impose by just showing up.

Last night she sent my DH and I a really nasty message accusing us of not being supportive. She didn’t really specify anything we had or hadn’t done but did include a random accusation about us forcing her to come to our house (we have no idea what she’s on about as we haven’t asked her to do that at all!).

We were quite upset by it and DH rang his brother to find out what was going on. His brother is a man of few words but said something like “yeah mate well you haven’t really helped us out since our daughter was born, so you could’ve shown more support”. DH was speechless as we’ve definitely shown a normal level of support and we’re not close to them anyway so it would’ve been inappropriate for us to go round and start muscling in with things with their DD. Knowing what SIL is like, whatever we would have done would have been wrong, so if we had gone round she would have sent a nasty message saying we were intruding on their space etc.

We’re really ground down by how she is and wondering where to go from here. She doesn’t normally lash out randomly like this - it’s normally lots of digs when we see her, so we just keep seeing her down to a minimum and do the whole “grey rock” thing as much as we can / spend most of the time at family events with other relatives. But now she’s lashed out I’m wondering how to respond.

Personally I want to respond sympathising with her difficulties but then defending DH and I, setting out the things we’ve done for them and then asking why she felt the need to lash out like that.

DH’s sister thinks we should cut her some slack as she’s recently given birth (8 weeks ago) so should respond very nicely, apologising, even though we honestly haven’t done anything so there’s nothing to apologise for! I also know many others who have given birth and none have acted like this at all.

DH thinks we shouldn’t respond at all as it will just “feed the beast”.

I’m thinking whatever we do will set the tone for the next few years while she’s a “new mother” so I want to get this right. My worry if we send a nice message without defending ourselves is that she’ll then think she’s entitled to send more of these aggressive, nasty texts and we’ll have set the tone of putting up with them. Sad

Do new mums get to act as they wish, no matter who they hurt? Any advice would be very appreciated!

OP posts:
Conkergame · 07/06/2021 16:36

Sorry, that was an essay! Well done if you get to the end

OP posts:
romdowa · 07/06/2021 16:38

I'd be telling them both to cop on. Just because she gave birth 8 weeks ago doesn't give her a licence to go round sending shitty messages.

FionnulaTheCooler · 07/06/2021 16:40

I'm with your DH, I'd just ignore her. Not your circus, not your monkeys.

Aquamarine1029 · 07/06/2021 16:41

I can assure you, I wouldn't be pandering to her at all. She was awful before the baby, so being a new mother has nothing to do with it. There is no way I would apologise, why on earth would you? You've done nothing wrong. I would be cutting her right out of my life and blocking her from my phone. I simply will not deal with people like her.

funnylittlefloozie · 07/06/2021 16:41

Your DH has the sensible answer - just ignore her. I can be hot-headed though, and I would struggle NOT to send a reply that includes the words, "who the fuck do you think you are?".

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 16:43

@Aquamarine1029 I would love to do that. Problem is we have PIL to think of. They’re not very well and it would break their hearts if we refused to go to family events because of her.

I think they would love to cut her out too but they never will now because of DNiece

OP posts:
JeanClaudeVanDammit · 07/06/2021 16:43

I would ignore her. If you really want to tackle it I think that should be done between your DH and his brother.

buckeejit · 07/06/2021 16:43

I'd be civil but firm.

Sorry you feel this way, we didn't want to assume anything or intrude & thought we were being supportive with gifts & Money. Not sure exactly what you'd like us to do but certainly ask if you're struggling & there's something you think we can help with & we will do our best within our means. I'm sure it's a very stressful time with a Newborn but it will get easier. Thinking of you

Aquamarine1029 · 07/06/2021 16:44

They’re not very well and it would break their hearts if we refused to go to family events because of her.

Why would you miss family events? You simply ignore her.

MindyStClaire · 07/06/2021 16:44

We’ve been as supportive as we can (sending gifts, nice messages, a bit of money when they said they were struggling, etc.) but haven’t seen them as we haven’t been invited and we haven’t wanted to impose by just showing up.

I may be reading into things based on, ahem, personal circumstances - but have you actually expressed any interest in meeting DN or is BIL sitting at home wondering why his brother doesn't want to meet his baby?

LawnFever · 07/06/2021 16:46

God she sounds hard work, how did your DH leave it with his brother? Can he call him again now he’s had time to think this through if he was left speechless at the time so probably didn’t get your side across?

I wouldn’t apologise because you have nothing to apologise for and it sets a tone that she can behave like this and you’ll just roll over.

Notaroadrunner · 07/06/2021 16:46

I'd be telling the pair of them to fuck off. Whatever about her maybe being hormonal (bullshit excuse to be so rude though), your BIL has no excuse. Ignore them. Don't send another penny to them. And get on with your lives as you have been - more or less avoiding them at family gatherings.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2021 16:46

Ignore her. It’s not your fault she is like this and you did not make her that way. Radio silence needs to be done here.

My guess too is that she and her husband would not want to help you people at all so further reassess and raise furtheryour boundaries here re them ie no more sending them gifts or in particular, money.

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 16:46

@Aquamarine1029 ah ok I thought you meant go “NC”.

I could definitely try your suggestion. It’s not a massive family so often only around 10 people at events and I do try to avoid her as much as possible but it’s usually one conversation with everyone at the dinner table.

OP posts:
MaMaD1990 · 07/06/2021 16:47

I second just not responding at all. She'll find it hard arguing with herself. She sounds a nightmare and has no right to go around behaving that way regardless of whether she's a new mum or not.

LawnFever · 07/06/2021 16:48

[quote Conkergame]@Aquamarine1029 I would love to do that. Problem is we have PIL to think of. They’re not very well and it would break their hearts if we refused to go to family events because of her.

I think they would love to cut her out too but they never will now because of DNiece[/quote]
You don’t have to refuse to go anywhere, you just don’t engage with her

Grizalda · 07/06/2021 16:49

Tell them both to jog on and go as low contact as you possibly can. No way on earth I'd be doing either of them any favours from now on.
Plenty of people have babies, it's generally an exhausting time.
Do you know anyone else who turned into a thundercunt simply because they'd had a child though … no? That's because she was already one and should be avoided at all costs.

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 16:49

@MindyStClaire when she was first born we both sent messages saying “can’t wait to meet her, let us know when you’re ready for guests”. And then about 4 weeks ago DH called his brother to ask if we could arrange a visit but he said they weren’t having visitors due to Covid, so we’ve left it since then.

OP posts:
Scottishskifun · 07/06/2021 16:50

Personally I would respond with a nice but firm message stating that it takes time to settle as a new family and you wished to give them space to adjust before going around but you hope the gifts were of use etc.
Tbh with a newborn you might be waiting a while for a invitation so just need to say when is convenient for them.

I think when sleep deprived even the smallest thing can seem like a mountain!

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 16:50

@Grizalda yes, we definitely will avoid as much as possible. Would you actually message back though, or just leave it?

Also, I assume this approach means we won’t have any relationship with DNiece Sad

OP posts:
motogogo · 07/06/2021 16:55

The problem is that you gave them space and didn't go around to visit. Whilst the wisdom on Mumsnet often is give the new parents space, people don't want visitors, I personally would have been really offended if my siblings didn't pop around in 2 months, I wouldn't expect to have to invite them! (I'd expect them to phone/text to check it was ok though). I'm not especially close to them. My brothers both visited even though I lived in a different continent!

Fairyliz · 07/06/2021 16:56

@buckeejit

I'd be civil but firm.

Sorry you feel this way, we didn't want to assume anything or intrude & thought we were being supportive with gifts & Money. Not sure exactly what you'd like us to do but certainly ask if you're struggling & there's something you think we can help with & we will do our best within our means. I'm sure it's a very stressful time with a Newborn but it will get easier. Thinking of you

Think this is perfect!
Iloveacurry · 07/06/2021 16:59

So you’ve offered to go over and meet baby, but no because of COVID. You’ve sent presents, gifts AND money! But it’s not enough? I would be asking what she sort of support she wants? And I wouldn’t be apologising either.

Popskipiekin · 07/06/2021 17:00

I’d be taking a deep breath and do a half apology. Eg “so sorry it’s come across like that. Totally understand you not wanting guests right now - would have been over like a shot otherwise, keen to hold the baby and do anything we can to help out. We know it’s really tough with a newborn and things can be tight, which is why we sent xyz. Would love to be of more practical help when you’re ready to have guests.”

BootsieBarns · 07/06/2021 17:02

Sounds to me like she's trying to flex her muscles to see how much she can get away with controlling others.

Agree with your DH and others, just ignore. She has no right to put any expectations on you both. Their baby, their life. Their choices don't obligate you.

You do need to be careful though not to allow her to set a pattern. Think of her as a toddler, don't reward tantrums with attention.