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Difficult SIL with newborn

111 replies

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 16:35

I’m struggling with my relationship with my SIL (DH’s brother’s wife) and hoping for some advice.

She’s always been a very difficult character (glass half empty, always very negative, very insecure, can’t be happy for anyone, thinks the world is out to get her, rude and verbally aggressive to anyone and everyone). We have as little to do with her as we can, so only see her at wider family events.

She had a baby girl a couple of months ago and has struggled a bit with things (just the normal lack of sleep, getting used to being a mum etc, as well as general Covid worries).

We’ve been as supportive as we can (sending gifts, nice messages, a bit of money when they said they were struggling, etc.) but haven’t seen them as we haven’t been invited and we haven’t wanted to impose by just showing up.

Last night she sent my DH and I a really nasty message accusing us of not being supportive. She didn’t really specify anything we had or hadn’t done but did include a random accusation about us forcing her to come to our house (we have no idea what she’s on about as we haven’t asked her to do that at all!).

We were quite upset by it and DH rang his brother to find out what was going on. His brother is a man of few words but said something like “yeah mate well you haven’t really helped us out since our daughter was born, so you could’ve shown more support”. DH was speechless as we’ve definitely shown a normal level of support and we’re not close to them anyway so it would’ve been inappropriate for us to go round and start muscling in with things with their DD. Knowing what SIL is like, whatever we would have done would have been wrong, so if we had gone round she would have sent a nasty message saying we were intruding on their space etc.

We’re really ground down by how she is and wondering where to go from here. She doesn’t normally lash out randomly like this - it’s normally lots of digs when we see her, so we just keep seeing her down to a minimum and do the whole “grey rock” thing as much as we can / spend most of the time at family events with other relatives. But now she’s lashed out I’m wondering how to respond.

Personally I want to respond sympathising with her difficulties but then defending DH and I, setting out the things we’ve done for them and then asking why she felt the need to lash out like that.

DH’s sister thinks we should cut her some slack as she’s recently given birth (8 weeks ago) so should respond very nicely, apologising, even though we honestly haven’t done anything so there’s nothing to apologise for! I also know many others who have given birth and none have acted like this at all.

DH thinks we shouldn’t respond at all as it will just “feed the beast”.

I’m thinking whatever we do will set the tone for the next few years while she’s a “new mother” so I want to get this right. My worry if we send a nice message without defending ourselves is that she’ll then think she’s entitled to send more of these aggressive, nasty texts and we’ll have set the tone of putting up with them. Sad

Do new mums get to act as they wish, no matter who they hurt? Any advice would be very appreciated!

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Mydarlingmyhamburger · 07/06/2021 17:02

You went grey rock for a reason. I wouldn’t contact them. I’m not even sure what they’re expecting of you. I suspect they have the sort of attitude where you’d be in the wrong no matter what you did

OhSayWhat · 07/06/2021 17:10

They are intolerable.

I think the right answer is to not reply to the text particularly since your DH has already replied with a phone call to his brother. But I’m not sure I could help myself. I’d be saying “I’m sorry to hear you feel that way. We feel we’ve shown a lot of support by respecting your wishes not to visit and assisting you with money. We’re keen to meet DN when you’re ready.”

PinkPurplePeacock · 07/06/2021 17:13

Asva new mum here there's absolutely no excuse even WITH PND, but PND would explain it. I'd write a careful letter explaining everything to avoid texts back and forth.

LittleOldMe124 · 07/06/2021 17:13

I agree with @buckeejit response then silence

billy1966 · 07/06/2021 17:16

@Aquamarine1029

I can assure you, I wouldn't be pandering to her at all. She was awful before the baby, so being a new mother has nothing to do with it. There is no way I would apologise, why on earth would you? You've done nothing wrong. I would be cutting her right out of my life and blocking her from my phone. I simply will not deal with people like her.
Agree with this AND your husband.

Do not reply and feed this behaviour.

Continue to keep your distance.
There is nothing to be gained by engaging with these type of people.

She has already poor control of her emotions/behaviour, so the stresses of a new baby will have only exacerbated the entitlement to lash out.

You cannot fix her, step away and simply don't engage.

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youshallnotpass9 · 07/06/2021 17:20

I would let your DH sort it, but

"yeah mate well you haven’t really helped us out since our daughter was born, so you could’ve shown more support"

What support did they want? Did DH ask?

Seesawmummadaw · 07/06/2021 17:21

I would just say ‘sorry that you feel that way, what can we do to help?’
Keep it simple.

Nuggetnugget · 07/06/2021 17:21

This is really tricky. I think you have been more than kind sending money and with covid it's hard to be hands on. Their approach is all wrong - out looking for a fight.
I would ignore this and keep a low profile. You won't win with these type of people.

Tambora · 07/06/2021 17:34

An already difficult and demanding person in our wider family turned into a complete raving nightmare after giving birth, and has alienated everybody - it has caused enormous upset, especially for the GPs and great-GMs.

The dad has to back up the mum, whether he feels the same way she does or not, because his life wouldn't be living otherwise.

The only thing I can suggest is that you try and pour oil on troubled waters, because I'm afraid it is only going to get worse, and at least that might help a tiny bit.

MustardRose · 07/06/2021 17:38

@motogogo

The problem is that you gave them space and didn't go around to visit. Whilst the wisdom on Mumsnet often is give the new parents space, people don't want visitors, I personally would have been really offended if my siblings didn't pop around in 2 months, I wouldn't expect to have to invite them! (I'd expect them to phone/text to check it was ok though). I'm not especially close to them. My brothers both visited even though I lived in a different continent!
Erm... nope.

The OP says that they first messaged saying they couldn't wait to meet the new arrival as soon as they were ready for visitors, and then a few weeks later asked again about going to see the baby and were told no because of Covid.

Lavender201 · 07/06/2021 17:40

I’d have to reply. “What support would you have liked us to give? We haven’t been invited to meet baby, so can’t give practical support. We are sorry that the gifts and money we have sent you were not the right kind of support - we won’t be repeating this again.”

Then go low contact.

frumpety · 07/06/2021 17:41

It feels a bit like, regardless of what you did, she would somehow direct her anger towards you. If someone says 'no we don't want you to visit at the moment' , it would be rude to arrive anyway. You can't offer more practical support like babysitting or whatever without visiting, you have sent gifts and money to them. Maybe get DH to ask his Brother exactly what sort of 'support' they want that you can provide at a distance ?

Szyz2020 · 07/06/2021 17:46

I would be very tempted to put together a list of gifts, card, calls, money and amounts all dated. For your own record if nothing else.

I would be extra tempted to send it to them saying how worried you are that the gift of x item sent on y date mustn’t have reached them, and carry on for each thing sent. Then send a message that says how confused you are as you asked to visit but have been told not to - so with that and the gifts and the money, what exactly is it they are wanting from you - as you can see from everything said and done so far you are keen to help and support but must have misunderstood!

CatsPyjama · 07/06/2021 17:48

I wouldn’t be sending sorry messages, what have you got to be sorry for? And doing that will only encourage her to continue to behave as she is.

She wasn’t a nice person before baby, she’s not a nice person after baby.

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 17:49

@frumpety the brother I think is just his wife’s supporter. So I don’t think he wants anything from us in particular, he just repeats / backs up anything she says.

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Conkergame · 07/06/2021 17:51

@Tambora this sound very similar Sad what does the oil/water comment mean?

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PicsInRed · 07/06/2021 17:54

Was the brothers' relationship already distant and/or tense? Does your husband complain about them to you? Do you think maybe your BIL complains to his wife about you and your husband?

This sounds a bit like a proxy war which has spilled over.

Holly60 · 07/06/2021 17:56

It’s such a tough one because it’s not quite like friends is it- they are family for better or worse, and like you say, whatever happens has an impact on PIL etc. I wonder if there is a way of being assertive but kind. Ignore her bad behaviour but don’t act like you’ve done anything wrong: ‘hey! Listen, sounds like there’s been a bit of miscommunication - we would LOVE to come and meet DN (and spend some quality time with you guys) but just thought we should give you space and wait until you were ready for us. Do you have some dates that work and we’ll visit for the day. Let us know if there is anything you need us to bring xxx’. That leaves the ball in their court then and they can respond (or not) however they like.

PurpleSunrise · 07/06/2021 17:58

I would do as others have said, keep any reply factual, calm and don’t apologise as you certainly haven’t done anything wrong here. I would reiterate that you’ve asked to visit and they told you they didn’t want visitors, have sent presents and money, and ask specifically if they could clarify what sort of support they were expecting that they didn’t get? But she sounds horrible so doubt this will be happily resolved, sadly

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 17:59

@PicsInRed they are not close at all, don’t really get on, but more in a passive “don’t go out of their way to meet up” sort of way rather than an aggressive argument sort of way. It’s complicated by the fact they both like their sister so she is the sort of third party go-between.

The sister doesn’t like SIL either but always wants to keep the peace with her, so that makes it harder to say anything as then we are the mean ones

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Holly60 · 07/06/2021 17:59

Also, just to say - if there is any way you can do this over the phone then I would deffo do that. Texting is ok but I think tone of voice or facial expression if you are video calling work absolute wonders and can solve so much more than just a written message. I know it can feel uncomfortable but might be the best thing.

Holly60 · 07/06/2021 18:01

Just as an alternative view also. I’ve had people in my life who are like this and it often stems from insecurity. It is bloody hard work but I have found that a lot of reassurance can help a bit. She may genuinely feel you don’t care…

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 18:01

@Holly60 this is what I was thinking, but maybe adding a bit about what we have done for them (more as “evidence” in case this argument comes up again in future!)

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AnotherKrampus · 07/06/2021 18:04

This a time where an albeit more politely worded 'Fuck off' is the best option to nip such entitled behaviour firmly in the bud. Do not apologise, you have done nothing to say sorry for.

Chocolateteabag · 07/06/2021 18:05

@Lavender201

I’d have to reply. “What support would you have liked us to give? We haven’t been invited to meet baby, so can’t give practical support. We are sorry that the gifts and money we have sent you were not the right kind of support - we won’t be repeating this again.”

Then go low contact.

I would reply with what Lavender201 has said - call her out on what "support" she feels she should have had
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