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Difficult SIL with newborn

111 replies

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 16:35

I’m struggling with my relationship with my SIL (DH’s brother’s wife) and hoping for some advice.

She’s always been a very difficult character (glass half empty, always very negative, very insecure, can’t be happy for anyone, thinks the world is out to get her, rude and verbally aggressive to anyone and everyone). We have as little to do with her as we can, so only see her at wider family events.

She had a baby girl a couple of months ago and has struggled a bit with things (just the normal lack of sleep, getting used to being a mum etc, as well as general Covid worries).

We’ve been as supportive as we can (sending gifts, nice messages, a bit of money when they said they were struggling, etc.) but haven’t seen them as we haven’t been invited and we haven’t wanted to impose by just showing up.

Last night she sent my DH and I a really nasty message accusing us of not being supportive. She didn’t really specify anything we had or hadn’t done but did include a random accusation about us forcing her to come to our house (we have no idea what she’s on about as we haven’t asked her to do that at all!).

We were quite upset by it and DH rang his brother to find out what was going on. His brother is a man of few words but said something like “yeah mate well you haven’t really helped us out since our daughter was born, so you could’ve shown more support”. DH was speechless as we’ve definitely shown a normal level of support and we’re not close to them anyway so it would’ve been inappropriate for us to go round and start muscling in with things with their DD. Knowing what SIL is like, whatever we would have done would have been wrong, so if we had gone round she would have sent a nasty message saying we were intruding on their space etc.

We’re really ground down by how she is and wondering where to go from here. She doesn’t normally lash out randomly like this - it’s normally lots of digs when we see her, so we just keep seeing her down to a minimum and do the whole “grey rock” thing as much as we can / spend most of the time at family events with other relatives. But now she’s lashed out I’m wondering how to respond.

Personally I want to respond sympathising with her difficulties but then defending DH and I, setting out the things we’ve done for them and then asking why she felt the need to lash out like that.

DH’s sister thinks we should cut her some slack as she’s recently given birth (8 weeks ago) so should respond very nicely, apologising, even though we honestly haven’t done anything so there’s nothing to apologise for! I also know many others who have given birth and none have acted like this at all.

DH thinks we shouldn’t respond at all as it will just “feed the beast”.

I’m thinking whatever we do will set the tone for the next few years while she’s a “new mother” so I want to get this right. My worry if we send a nice message without defending ourselves is that she’ll then think she’s entitled to send more of these aggressive, nasty texts and we’ll have set the tone of putting up with them. Sad

Do new mums get to act as they wish, no matter who they hurt? Any advice would be very appreciated!

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magicstar1 · 07/06/2021 18:06

I’d message back “I’m sorry that sending gifts and money, and telling you that we’d love to visit as soon as you’re ready isn’t being supportive. We’ll make sure not to do any of that in the future x”

PurpleBiro21 · 07/06/2021 18:07

Hmmm…

I think as PP, send a message listing what you’ve done and ask exactly what support do you need?

I wouldn’t apologise at all, not even a ‘sorry you feel this way’. Nor would I add anything soothing such as ‘we cannot wait to meet baby’.

In short, I’d be asking them to clarify their position and take it from there just in case it’s a misunderstanding.

Dogoodfeelgood · 07/06/2021 18:07

@buckeejit

I'd be civil but firm.

Sorry you feel this way, we didn't want to assume anything or intrude & thought we were being supportive with gifts & Money. Not sure exactly what you'd like us to do but certainly ask if you're struggling & there's something you think we can help with & we will do our best within our means. I'm sure it's a very stressful time with a Newborn but it will get easier. Thinking of you

Definitely send something like this. We can’t all go no contact with every family member that’s difficult and annoyingly
Conkergame · 07/06/2021 18:08

@magicstar1 if only I had the guts! Think she’d probably petrol bomb our house if I came out with something like that! Shock (only half joking)

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SilverBangle · 07/06/2021 18:09

I'm with your DH, I'd just ignore her. Not your circus, not your monkeys

This ^^

2bazookas · 07/06/2021 18:10

Don't apologise, you've done nothing wrong.

I'd just leave her to stew.

Dogoodfeelgood · 07/06/2021 18:13

@Holly60

Just as an alternative view also. I’ve had people in my life who are like this and it often stems from insecurity. It is bloody hard work but I have found that a lot of reassurance can help a bit. She may genuinely feel you don’t care…
Yes it’s easy to assume people are evil and manipulative but it’s just as easy to respond with empathy and assume she’s insecure and probably new baby hormones and magnified this feeling. A calm, “ we are so sorry that you feel this way, we have tried to be as supportive as we can with gifts but haven’t been able to visit yet. We are so excited to meet baby so please let us know when we can. We would never want you to feel unsupported, so please let us know if you need anything or want us to pop around.”
headintheproverbial · 07/06/2021 18:14

I'd do your thing but very high level:

We're really sorry you feel like this as it was never our intention. We thought that by sending gifts and money we were showing our support. We haven't wanted to come round uninvited as we didn't want to intrude, especially with Covid being as it is, and you didn't invite us. Hope all is ok with the new baby and would love to pop round to see you all soon.

Dogoodfeelgood · 07/06/2021 18:16

All these people saying leave her to stew, don’t respond... the added drama and heartache in your life of letting this turn into a family rift is not worth it! It will be much easier on YOU to be kind back, nip the drama in the bud, kill them with kindness on this occasion. You don’t need to go out of your way but a simple text defusing the situation will go a long way, it’s not worth it to you to punish her for her misbehaviour and cause a bigger issue. If she was an annoying friend maybe this would be the time to dip out of the relationship, but you do need to keep things civil for an easy family life.

saraclara · 07/06/2021 18:17

@buckeejit

I'd be civil but firm.

Sorry you feel this way, we didn't want to assume anything or intrude & thought we were being supportive with gifts & Money. Not sure exactly what you'd like us to do but certainly ask if you're struggling & there's something you think we can help with & we will do our best within our means. I'm sure it's a very stressful time with a Newborn but it will get easier. Thinking of you

Definitely this.

It's all very well people suggesting snipey responses, but OP has already said that there's a need to protect her PILs from stress. Winding SIL up further is in no ones interests.

The above is dignified, spells out what you've done, OP, and lets you take the high road.

LoudestCat14 · 07/06/2021 18:24

I'd send buckeejit's message too. I know others have said ignore it, but it sounds like it'll escalate more if you do nothing and then PIL will be stuck in the middle. Calling their bluff – because, seriously, what more do they want if you've sent money and gifts but they don't want you to visit because of Covid! – seems the best way to deal with it.

HyacynthBucket · 07/06/2021 18:25

buckeejit, dogoodfeelgood, saraclara - these suggestions are the way to go, especially brilliant from buckeejit - keeps the door open, reassures her that you mean well and do care, but does not involve any apology from you. It just gently suggests that your good intentions got lost in translation somewhere. She probably needs a lot of reassurance. Hope you sort it all out together.

Riv · 07/06/2021 18:25

I'd leave it with your DH for now and ignore the text she has sent you.
If she attacks you again, maybe reply politely, calmly and factually without any sort of apology whilst giving them a way out of the corner they are backing in to:
eg
We may have misinterpreted your messages, but you have not seemed to want us around over the last months. We have been looking forward to meeting our DN and have asked to visit on more than one occasion but you have not wanted this. We know that unwanted support can be really unwelcome and undermine new parents’ confidence so we have stayed away as you requested. We respect your “no visitors” rule due your very understandable concerns about Covid. We have accepted your rejections with good grace, and supported you in the best way we knew without being able to be physically present.

We have always responded to your requests for support and have tried to sensitively provide what we are able within our means. We have also celebrated the arrival of xxxx by sending all of you good wishes, gifts and money.
We realise that things are stressful with a newborn and things can be quite tough. We suspect that that is particularly true at the moment due to the pandemic. Perhaps you are now ready to let us meet your DC and play a more active part as Auntie and Uncle, as we have been longing to for the past x months?

RainingZen · 07/06/2021 18:25

I'd take a different approach and text back showing how hurt you are. "We are devastated that you think we haven't been supportive. We so wanted to come and meet our new niece and would have loved to help while she was newborn, but you told us not to come because of covid. We put a lot of thought into choosing nice gifts so it makes us very sad to think you didnt like them. But we did try. And we did step in to send money when you said you were struggling, it was the best we could do in the circumstances. Our feelings are very hurt by your anger, when we have tried our best. So if and when you are ready to talk calmly and kindly, let's have a chat and clear the air, for DN's sake."

TellySavalashairbrush · 07/06/2021 18:29

I’d ignore . To be honest I get the impression you’ll only have minimal contact with dear niece anyway judging by your SIL former and current behaviour

Pbbananabagel · 07/06/2021 18:34

Another vote for @buckeejit’s response- nicely done.

ShowMeTheSugar · 07/06/2021 18:35

If you have to reply Id go with buckeejit but instead of saying sorry Id say "We're saddened". Don't apologise if you haven't done anything wrong.

N4ish · 07/06/2021 18:37

It’s up to your DH to respond or not as he sees fit, you should protect yourself by staying out if it. She’s not your sister and it’s not up to you to bend over backwards trying to keep things pleasant.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2021 18:39

"All these people saying leave her to stew, don’t respond... the added drama and heartache in your life of letting this turn into a family rift is not worth it! It will be much easier on YOU to be kind back, nip the
OPs SIL behaved similarly prior to parenthood so she has already caused friction within the family into which she is now a part of. The problem with this whole approach is that this does not work at all well on people this bloody minded and in her you're not dealing with someone who is amenable to reasoned argument. Trying (and therefore failing) to appease such people like OPs SIL will further reward her bad behaviour, after all she is doing this because she can and she has learnt that this works for her. Its not OPs fault that her SIL behaves like this and she did not make her that way.

IAmDaveTheSerialShagger · 07/06/2021 18:49

She sounds poorly and struggling, be the bigger person @Conkergame

MintyMabel · 07/06/2021 18:53

You can’t have given a normal level of support if you’ve also been ignoring her hoping she wouldn’t respond.

It’s unlikely DH’s brother would say it if they didn’t feel it. Fine if you don’t want to, but at least just own it.

Conkergame · 07/06/2021 18:58

Thanks everyone, I’m still toying between ignoring to dampen her fire and responding with something like @buckeejit suggested.

If I do reply I really want to put something in my message to basically say “please call us to discuss any problems in future rather than sending nasty messages, as they’re uncalled for”, in a nicer way! But would I be wasting my time? I basically think if I am going to reply then I need to tell her that her behaviour in sending an aggressive text out of the blue is not acceptable

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Riv · 07/06/2021 19:01

I like what @RainingZen suggests.

saraclara · 07/06/2021 19:06

@Conkergame

Thanks everyone, I’m still toying between ignoring to dampen her fire and responding with something like *@buckeejit* suggested.

If I do reply I really want to put something in my message to basically say “please call us to discuss any problems in future rather than sending nasty messages, as they’re uncalled for”, in a nicer way! But would I be wasting my time? I basically think if I am going to reply then I need to tell her that her behaviour in sending an aggressive text out of the blue is not acceptable

Ignoring won't dampen the fire though. It will wind her up.

buckeejit's suggestion is really calm. It's people being calm and unruffled that will dampen this down, not ignoring it.

And yep, you'll be wasting your time saying what you want to say. Again, you'd be adding fuel to the fire. An already difficult person with the normal post-birth hormones added to the mix, will not respond as you want her to. You'll have got it out of your system, but at what cost?

Spudina · 07/06/2021 19:07

She may be a really difficult character but ignoring her seems cruel when she is asking for help. For a first offence with a new born I would cut her a bit of slack. She could have severe PND. One time I would allow this rudeness and reply like other posters have suggested saying that you have shown the support she has allowed and that you really want to meet her baby.