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Have I ruined things for our son?

118 replies

BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 14:52

Apologies in advance as this is rather long and not sure if it belongs in Relationships (because my husband is furious with me) Mental Health or Child Mental Health 🥴

Bit of a long story, but I have suffered with my mental health off and on for years. During the first lockdown I came across some information online which made me realise I almost certainly have ADHD. All the struggles I’ve had in my day to day life, the depression, the anxiety, the self doubt and the lack of concentration all finally made sense.

Also during lockdown I was obviously spending much more time with my 9yr son that I normally did when he was at school and I was working FT. There have always been things that concerned me and worried me about my sons behaviour. He enjoys school and learning, but also gets very down on himself saying he’s stupid and he hates himself, and how everyone hates him (he has lots of friends). We went through a period where he would always talk about dying and how our lives would be better if he wasn’t around. He’d get upset with himself about one thing or another and then just say “I’m going to kill myself” This really upset me. I know for certain he had no intention of actually causing any harm to himself because he is also petrified of dying or anything to do with death and gets very anxious when anyone in the house has so much as a sniffle and gets worried they’re going to die. But I hated seeing him say those things. He has moments where he struggles with school work and throws his hands up in the air and wants to quit (I’m sure all kids do this), husband would get angry with him and they’d work on the homework together. Early on in school (years 1-3) the teachers would say he Interrupts the class And he couldn’t sit still. They would really work with him to find ways to learn and cope. We had an educational psychologist come and assess him in year 2 and he said my son was likely just still quite immature (he’s the youngest in the class) and that he was a very smart boy. Fine. Husband was completely relieved and says that those years were the hardest ever for him mentally and says how much stress that all caused him.

There are still things about my sons behaviour that concern me. At Nearly 10 he cannot sit still during a film. He is always getting up for snacks, the toilet, or to fiddle with the remote to see how much time is left. He cannot sit still at the dinner table. He’s constantly getting out and jumping on the sofa or flopping on the floor, jumping up on the counters, rocking on his chair, no matter how much I beg and plead, and eventually yell for him to just sit down. He is constantly making noises. Sometimes he will just all of a sudden make loud siren sounds, sometimes he’ll humm an annoying cartoon theme song, etc. It happens all the damn time. And it gets to the point where my sensors get overloaded and I lose my shit.

Going back to me, I got myself into such a bad state with my mental health a few months ago the prescribed me with antidepressants and therapy. Husband was not on board with the antidepressants and was furious when he found out I started taking them so I stopped. I had an initial call with the talking therapies person and I mentioned the fact I was anxious for my son and recapped the things I said above. They got very concerned about my son saying he wanted to kill himself even though I reassured him he would never do that. They told me that they would need me to call his Dr and explain and seek help for him or they would. This freaked me out so I called the Dr and told them why I was concerned. They referred him to be assessed for ADHD and recommended a few councillors for him to speak to that deal with childhood anxiety. I did not tell my husband any of this because I knew he would flip out at me. I was panicking at the fact that I was told I needed to contact the Dr about him and regretted immediately even mentioning it.

When the form came for me to fill out my husband intercepted it first and got so angry with me saying there’s nothing wrong with our son and that I’m causing life long issues for him now. Long story short I didn’t fill it out because it said if they didn’t hear back they would close his case, and that’s the result my husband wanted.

Well this morning the Dr calls my husband saying they never got the completed form back, and he’s confirmed with them he wants the case closed. But they’ve said they’re going to follow up with his school (private). We have spent the past few weeks looking at private secondary schools for my son and now my husband is livid with me for stirring this up and says I have compromised the chances for my son to be accepted into ons of the private secondary schools we’ve been looking at him getting into. Husband is furious with me.

So my question is kind of two parts: Have I ruined my son’s chances to get into his chosen private secondary school? He had no formal adhd / learning disability diagnosis on his records. He is also very smart and at or near the top of his class for most subjects. (But just because someone has ADHD doesn’t mean they’re stupid. We just process information differently).

And secondly, does my child’s behaviour (the running, jumping, the constant noises, and anxiety and self doubt), sound like that of a normal 9/10yr old? Am I worrying about nothing? I have no idea anymore. My husband is constantly telling me how I’m making issues out of nothing. He doesn’t believe in ADHD either and thinks my own self diagnosis is all in my head and that I’m looking for excuses. I am on the waitlist for a diagnosis. I’m so torn now and I just know I’m going to be made the bad person and be the brut of arguments with my husband because of all of this.

OP posts:
Choice4567 · 17/05/2021 14:57

Wait what? Why on earth is your husband so furious? He won’t ‘allow’ you to take anti depressants?

BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 15:03

@Choice4567

Wait what? Why on earth is your husband so furious? He won’t ‘allow’ you to take anti depressants?
He does not agree with them. He says doctors just prescribe them as an easy fix. I was very hesitant to tell him that the Dr had diagnosed with with extreme anxiety and depression in the first place - even though my husband could see it. Anyways when I told him I was actually taking them he got really upset with me because he thinks they’re poison.

I did some more research on them and in the end decided on my own not to take them. I have since discovered that the anxiety and depression and brain fog and inability to function could also be attributed to perimenopause so I have booked in for additional hormone checks. I’ve read that a lot of Dr’s prescribe perimenopausal women antidepressants because they’re not clued up. So in a way I guess he was right... A large portion of my mental health struggles is also down to my undiagnosed ADHD. Still waiting for a diagnosis unfortunately

OP posts:
JudyGemstone · 17/05/2021 15:07

He’s right about antidepressants imo but he still shouldn’t have told you not to take them, it’s your choice and no one else’s.

I don’t have a lot of experience with ADHD but it sounds possible, what do his teachers think?

Mowzy · 17/05/2021 15:07

@JudyGemstone

He’s right about antidepressants imo but he still shouldn’t have told you not to take them, it’s your choice and no one else’s.

I don’t have a lot of experience with ADHD but it sounds possible, what do his teachers think?

Why is he right about the antidepressants?!
HoldontoOneMoreDay · 17/05/2021 15:10

Your husband is a dick. If anyone has 'spoiled' things for your son it is him. A child of your son's age talking about suicide is incredibly concerning and needs following up with experts - as you have done. To deny him and you treatment/support because he 'doesn't like anti-depressants' or is worried that a school might reject him is absolutely unacceptable.

I think you have to leave your husband. I know that doesn't sound helpful, but I don't think it's in your best interests to stay with someone who denies you access to the prescribed medication that you need.

HoldontoOneMoreDay · 17/05/2021 15:11

Also people who don't believe in ADHD can just get in the bin, as far as I'm concerned.

lydia2021 · 17/05/2021 15:12

This lad sounds bored to me... so I think hes very intelligent but it's not utilised properly. Your h is a whole other ball game... its sounds as if, if theres anything even remotely lacking in his family. Then he feels a failure. Hence his banning of your tablets and the boys form filling. I would be on tabs if I had a controlling husband such as him. Whoever you spoke to re, doctor, about the lad are right. They can and do intervene in a child's welfare outcomes. I think it comes under neglect of his needs. I could not tiptoe around this man, but I can understand your need to help your son. Talk to your doctor about h, and get support

Choice4567 · 17/05/2021 15:12

Yeah I’m sorry but he sounds awful. He can’t decide what either of you are ‘allowed’ to do. Mental health is incredibly important and refusing access to any kind of treatment for it is very wrong

SparklingLime · 17/05/2021 15:20

Your DH’s behaviour is abusive. He is actively stopping you and your son getting help. You seem like you are blaming yourself rather than seeing how damaging your H’s behaviour is.

Littlefish · 17/05/2021 15:29

Your husband's behaviour towards both you and your son is indefensible.

Of your son has ADHD, ignoring it isn't going to make it go away.

His mental health will simply get worse. As he hits puberty, ADHD can become magnified.

Please advocate for your child and for yourself.

Your husband's opinions is no more important than yours.

DNTSleepingDragons · 17/05/2021 15:33

Your husband sounds like an utter dick. Not letting you take antidepressants, not believing in ADHD. I’ve realised that I probably have adhd during lockdown, as does my nine year old daughter. I’m currently on the waiting list to be assessed. Unfortunately they won’t assess my daughter as she doesn’t cause disruption in the classroom.

You haven’t ruined anything for your son. In fact, not getting him assessed will probably cause more lasting issues as he does sound like he may have adhd and there is a strong genetic link.

Your husband sounds very controlling and deeply unpleasant.

Flowers500 · 17/05/2021 15:42

I’m sorry but people like your husband should not be allowed to raise children. Your child could actually end up dead from these mental health issues and he doesn’t give a fuck. Think about that. Refusing your child the medical care he needs is either abuse or negligence, and you’re allowing this to happen.

When it gets worse (and it inevitably will) social services will need to get involved.

maskface212 · 17/05/2021 16:01

OP your post is very worrying and you sound overwhelmed. I'm so sorry things are so difficult for you right now.

First of all I'm wondering if you can go private regarding the ADHD diagnosis rather than waiting? This would certainly speed things up a bit. There's some info here you might find useful: adhdaware.org.uk/what-is-adhd/getting-nhs-diagnosis/

There could be any number of reasons for your son's behaviour. He may need more exercise if he finds it difficult to sit still. He may be reacting to the atmosphere in the house which sounds tense and angry. You sound very tense OP and your husband sounds irritable and easily angered. He sounds like a bit of a bully and controlling. You are an adult, he doesn't get to dictate to you whether or not you take medication.

There's info here you might find helpful: www.understood.org/take-note/en

You can contact the national helpline for a chat to see if he is abusive: www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/ If you don't feel comfortable on the phone to them, you can chat to a trained adviser.

I think you're wrong not to take your son's talk of suicide seriously OP. I think it's important that you follow that up as suggested.

There's an organisation called Young Minds who have a helpline:
0808 802 5544 from 9:30am - 4pm, Mon - Fri where you can talk about your son's mental health and get some support and advice.
youngminds.org.uk/find-help/for-parents/parents-helpline/

There's an organization called Family Lives: www.familylives.org.uk/ they have a helpline and may be able to signpost you or advise you further as well.

Are you receiving any therapy or counselling? (yes, I know your husband doesn't believe in that, but you sound overwhelmed and it might help to discuss all this with someone kind and impartial) You can try BACP for a therapist.

Booboobibles · 17/05/2021 16:08

Your DH sounds like my ex ...my 18 year old is still waiting for a diagnosis of ADHD and probably Asperger’s because he’s always been so intent on believing that I’m an idiot. These replies make me really sad actually because my son has been totally let down and has just dropped out of sixth form because of his mental health.

I doubt very much whether a diagnosis of adhd would affect your son’s chances of getting into private school. The two private schools my son has attended (my younger son who does have a diagnosis of Asperger’s) have been full of neurodivergent children. It probably depends on the school but I removed my son from a state school and put him into a tiny private school and he immediately loved it. Most schools probably care more about grades...mine has predicted 9’s across the board (shamelessly showing off!)🙂

Booboobibles · 17/05/2021 16:10

And don’t mention things like self harm or talk of it. Health professionals have keywords that they’re not allowed to ignore. There’s no common sense involved.

Haffiana · 17/05/2021 16:26

OP, it is simple. You need to step up and stop letting your DH's anxieties ruin your life, and most importantly your son's life.

Your DH has issues. He has his fears and his social fears and his little belief system in order to make himself feel safe and in control. They are HIS problem. Why are you taking those on yourself, on top of everything else you are dealing with? Why is your DH's sorry little version of reality allowed to affect the actual health of others?

If your son does not have ADHD then following assessment he won't be diagnosed and that will be the end of it. If he does have ADHD then a diagnosis will allow him to get the help he needs and will make enormous improvements to HIS quality of life, not your sad, dickhead husband's.

You really need to step up. You need to find your inner tiger, not your inner doormat. This is IMPORTANT.

Speak to your GP and explain exactly what has happened. It will really help you to tell someone neutral what you feel and what is going on.

litterbird · 17/05/2021 16:30

You must take control of yourself and your son. Get immediate help with your anxiety if it means taking some medication for now then do so . Will your husband stop you taking HRT if you are menopausal too??? Get a grip with your family and work with your son. He may be bored or whatever. I work with children and young adults with all sorts of ADHD/ASD and development issues so I can recognise what is going on with your son. Always......I repeat.....ALWAYS believe your child when they start having suicidal ideations. Now, stand up for yourself and get your son and yourself help now. Sod your husband. I say this because I have seen what happens when you dont get help with a child with mental health issues.

crosshatching · 17/05/2021 16:44

@Haffiana is right it's Mama Bear time, you wouldn't accept this treatment of your child from anyone else would you?

SakuraEdenSwan1 · 17/05/2021 16:45

Your husband is a cunt and I make no apologies for saying it. He is putting you and his son at risk just because of his own stupid ideologies. Your son sounds like my 9 year old, he does exactly the same things to the extent mealtimes are horrendous. It was another lovely poster on here last year told me to get him checked out for Sensory Processing Disorder, my son ticked every box for it and everything I got so stressed about now made sense. It has not impacted him in any way, difference being between my son has not got suicidal tendency's. Please get your son the help he needs, you need to get shot of your husband, refusing you and your son medical treatment is shocking.

GroggyLegs · 17/05/2021 16:51

Aside from 'getting furious' about everything, has your husband done anything proactive, or positive to help either of you? Investigated other therapies for you or your son?

He's deliberately blocking you both from being or feeling well.

Honestly, my first thought was of he wasn't in the picture I wonder if you'd both feel 100x less depressed immediately.

Flowers
Summersnake · 17/05/2021 16:53

You have a very controlling husband there ...follow your instincts regarding yourself and your son ,is your husband this controlling in all areas of your life

MiniTheMinx · 17/05/2021 17:01

It seems like your husband thinks he can bully the anxiety, depression and ADHD out of you, and bully his son into behaving. Perhaps the behaviour and your nerves are as a result of your husband's bullying.

I don't know whether you have ADHD. No one here can diagnose you. I wouldn't mind betting though that without your husband shredding your nerves a lot of your difficulties might be improved.

Friendofdennis · 17/05/2021 17:29

ADHD or ADD is very real and can affect so many areas of a child or adult’ relationships/ ability to focus etc. It can take up to 4 years to get an assessment on the NHS. In our family we paid privately as we couldn’t bear the distress for the young adult in our family waiting that long. It cost £360 for the assessment including a report. Then you pay for the medication monthly and the titration period (6months ).

Friendofdennis · 17/05/2021 17:31

Your husband seems to think that an adhd diagnosis / mental health record will cause stigma but that doesn’t have to be the case at all

itsgettingwierd · 17/05/2021 17:34

You dont have an issue.

Your son doesn't have an issue.

Your DH has massive issues.

Basically I'm saying if you and/or your son have adhd and you need AD this isn't an issue and a life limiting thing. In fact not medicating medical conditions can be what cause life long problems.

My son has autism and has done really well at school and is now at college. His autism doesn't hold him back as such but others not being supportive does. He's finding his own way in life that meets his neuro developmental processes and the only problems he faces are when people try to make him something he's not.