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Have I ruined things for our son?

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BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 14:52

Apologies in advance as this is rather long and not sure if it belongs in Relationships (because my husband is furious with me) Mental Health or Child Mental Health 🥴

Bit of a long story, but I have suffered with my mental health off and on for years. During the first lockdown I came across some information online which made me realise I almost certainly have ADHD. All the struggles I’ve had in my day to day life, the depression, the anxiety, the self doubt and the lack of concentration all finally made sense.

Also during lockdown I was obviously spending much more time with my 9yr son that I normally did when he was at school and I was working FT. There have always been things that concerned me and worried me about my sons behaviour. He enjoys school and learning, but also gets very down on himself saying he’s stupid and he hates himself, and how everyone hates him (he has lots of friends). We went through a period where he would always talk about dying and how our lives would be better if he wasn’t around. He’d get upset with himself about one thing or another and then just say “I’m going to kill myself” This really upset me. I know for certain he had no intention of actually causing any harm to himself because he is also petrified of dying or anything to do with death and gets very anxious when anyone in the house has so much as a sniffle and gets worried they’re going to die. But I hated seeing him say those things. He has moments where he struggles with school work and throws his hands up in the air and wants to quit (I’m sure all kids do this), husband would get angry with him and they’d work on the homework together. Early on in school (years 1-3) the teachers would say he Interrupts the class And he couldn’t sit still. They would really work with him to find ways to learn and cope. We had an educational psychologist come and assess him in year 2 and he said my son was likely just still quite immature (he’s the youngest in the class) and that he was a very smart boy. Fine. Husband was completely relieved and says that those years were the hardest ever for him mentally and says how much stress that all caused him.

There are still things about my sons behaviour that concern me. At Nearly 10 he cannot sit still during a film. He is always getting up for snacks, the toilet, or to fiddle with the remote to see how much time is left. He cannot sit still at the dinner table. He’s constantly getting out and jumping on the sofa or flopping on the floor, jumping up on the counters, rocking on his chair, no matter how much I beg and plead, and eventually yell for him to just sit down. He is constantly making noises. Sometimes he will just all of a sudden make loud siren sounds, sometimes he’ll humm an annoying cartoon theme song, etc. It happens all the damn time. And it gets to the point where my sensors get overloaded and I lose my shit.

Going back to me, I got myself into such a bad state with my mental health a few months ago the prescribed me with antidepressants and therapy. Husband was not on board with the antidepressants and was furious when he found out I started taking them so I stopped. I had an initial call with the talking therapies person and I mentioned the fact I was anxious for my son and recapped the things I said above. They got very concerned about my son saying he wanted to kill himself even though I reassured him he would never do that. They told me that they would need me to call his Dr and explain and seek help for him or they would. This freaked me out so I called the Dr and told them why I was concerned. They referred him to be assessed for ADHD and recommended a few councillors for him to speak to that deal with childhood anxiety. I did not tell my husband any of this because I knew he would flip out at me. I was panicking at the fact that I was told I needed to contact the Dr about him and regretted immediately even mentioning it.

When the form came for me to fill out my husband intercepted it first and got so angry with me saying there’s nothing wrong with our son and that I’m causing life long issues for him now. Long story short I didn’t fill it out because it said if they didn’t hear back they would close his case, and that’s the result my husband wanted.

Well this morning the Dr calls my husband saying they never got the completed form back, and he’s confirmed with them he wants the case closed. But they’ve said they’re going to follow up with his school (private). We have spent the past few weeks looking at private secondary schools for my son and now my husband is livid with me for stirring this up and says I have compromised the chances for my son to be accepted into ons of the private secondary schools we’ve been looking at him getting into. Husband is furious with me.

So my question is kind of two parts: Have I ruined my son’s chances to get into his chosen private secondary school? He had no formal adhd / learning disability diagnosis on his records. He is also very smart and at or near the top of his class for most subjects. (But just because someone has ADHD doesn’t mean they’re stupid. We just process information differently).

And secondly, does my child’s behaviour (the running, jumping, the constant noises, and anxiety and self doubt), sound like that of a normal 9/10yr old? Am I worrying about nothing? I have no idea anymore. My husband is constantly telling me how I’m making issues out of nothing. He doesn’t believe in ADHD either and thinks my own self diagnosis is all in my head and that I’m looking for excuses. I am on the waitlist for a diagnosis. I’m so torn now and I just know I’m going to be made the bad person and be the brut of arguments with my husband because of all of this.

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BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 22:48

@nocoolnamesleft

He isn't such a wonderful dad. Failing to allow appropriate health assessment and care for his child is a form of neglect.
He was the same way when I raised concerns about my other child's speech delay. He insisted there was nothing wrong and that I was just creating issues, even though at nearly 3 my other child was slurring their words and can't speak properly. The nursery also raised concerns and advised me to get a professional opinion. I had an appointment with a speech and language development specialist who now wants to see our other child for treatment. All husband did was kind of go 'hmph' and didn't say anything else about it, so it's clearly all on me to get the help for my kids. I don't know what his issue is, but he is taking it all very personally like it means he's a bad parent or something if the kids need extra help. Meanwhile I'm stressing at the fact my son may have potentially inherited the ADHD from me and am stressing what my husband is going to say and how I will somehow get the blame for it. I just want a formal diagnosis so I can use that as leverage to get my son help.
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nocoolnamesleft · 17/05/2021 22:59

Yes, if your children need help to achieve their potential, you want them to have it. You're putting your children's potential needs ahead of your own concerns and anxieties. Like a good parent would.

Nannyamc · 17/05/2021 23:02

Please look after yourself first. Your anxiety with your son and husband is overwhelming. You are controlled by him. You can only help your child if you can assert yourself. Money should not be any issue here. If we have learned anything from the last 15 months is that we can be happy.
Children are our biggest priority and if you cannot protect yourself first you cannot protect them. Good luck.

Miasicarisatia · 17/05/2021 23:04

Suspect that your main problem is a controlling and abusive husband, who made him lord & master, not to mention judge and jury!
This man's ego is so fragile that he cant tolerate anyone having an opinion that isnt exactly like his own, he's like a toddler who hasnt mastered theory of mind.
No wonder you're tense living with that angry thundercloud of a man

HoldontoOneMoreDay · 17/05/2021 23:31

You know, I've spoken to women irl and on here whose husband stops them working at all. You earn a decent salary, maybe not enough for luxury holidays and private schools, but enough to live on. You have options. You aren't starting from scratch.

Schools and holidays won't make up for having your self-confidence ruined by a father who treats your mother like shit and refuses to acknowledge your own needs.

You are prioritising the wrong things. I blame your husband for this, he's the one that's conditioned you to believe luxuries are enough reward for the way he treats you all. He's made you believe you wouldn't cope on your own. You would, and I think you'd cope better without him belittling you.

I know it sounds scary, but he is not a good man and he is not a good father. You deserve more.

SteveArnottsCodeine · 17/05/2021 23:36

@Choice4567

Wait what? Why on earth is your husband so furious? He won’t ‘allow’ you to take anti depressants?
This is ridiculous. You’re a grown adult. I also have ADHD and antidepressants help me no end. “Doesn’t believe in them” my arse. If he doesn’t believe in them then he doesn’t have to take them, does he?

What your husband is doing is abusive. To both you and your son.

I’m furious on your behalf.

Nanny0gg · 17/05/2021 23:48

If you can organise yourself in a job to earn that kind of money you can surely organis

Nanny0gg · 17/05/2021 23:49

Organise your home life and the children?

Your husband is the barrier here

JackieTheFart · 18/05/2021 00:34

Wow. I wonder if your mental health issues would get a bit better if you didn’t have a husband who was constantly angry and livid about perfectly reasonable stuff, or who stopped things from happening that are a) nothing to do with him and b) based on the totally ludicrous reasoning of not ‘believing’ in them.

Your husband is abusive and you might have ADHD but you might just have had your entire personality beaten down over the years of his behaviour.

I think you’d find things would dramatically improve if you left him, even if you didn’t maintain your current standard of living. You’re allowed to enjoy your own life.

SnappyMcSnapface · 18/05/2021 05:17

Your husband is going to cause you and your son lifelong difficulties if he bullies you out of taking much needed medication and won’t allow your son to receive a potential diagnosis which could help and support him enormously.

If you can’t stand up against your husband on this and insist that your son be given the help he needs, then I think you need to seriously consider whether staying in the relationship is the best thing for your son.

My cousin was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult. He says his lack of earlier diagnosis blighted his childhood, costing him educational opportunities, friendships, and his self-esteem as he believed himself to just be a weird and incapable person. Don’t walk blindfolded into this situation with your son because your husband is an ignorant bully.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 18/05/2021 06:44

@category12

Financially you might struggle on your own, but what price is your mental health and that of your son?

Living like this with this man is almost certainly at the root of much of both of your issues and certainly doesn't help. You may not care for yourself, but you need to consider the effect it's having on your son.

He yells at him for having low self-esteem. Just sit there and think about that for a minute or two.

The problem is not ADHD, it's being bullied at home.

He's not a great father because he is damaging your child emotionally.

If you divorced you'd have a claim on half the assets of the marriage. If you have a low income, you'd likely get a top up from UC. He would be expected to pay child support. You would be able to provide an emotionally safe home for your son and get whatever treatment/therapy is suitable for both of you.

Can you really afford not to?

Absolutely this.

You're watching your son get bullied.

He's watching you be bullied.

Your DH is a bully. He is not a good father. He shouts at his child when his child says he doesn't like himself.

He is not a good dad.

Calyx72 · 18/05/2021 07:45

@SparklingLime

Your DH’s behaviour is abusive. He is actively stopping you and your son getting help. You seem like you are blaming yourself rather than seeing how damaging your H’s behaviour is.
I agree
Calyx72 · 18/05/2021 07:51

Read or show your posts on this thread to your therapist. Then do the Freedom programme.

He is abusing you both. You don't have to put up with it. Money and their own rooms for children doesn't make up for even a quarter of this.

Thanks
Twolostsoulsswimminginafishbow · 18/05/2021 09:23

What was he like before he almost died?
What are you expected to buy on your £300 a month on your combined earnings that you estimate are at at least £127,000 a year?
Are you allowed to spend freely for the children and home? Does your husband also limit himself to £300 a month?

CaptSkippy · 18/05/2021 11:52

Apart from the verbal abuse, what he is doing financially is also a hallmark of abuce. He makes over a 100K and yet takes most of your money?

Please, contact a divorce lawyer. He has you convinced you can't hack it on your own and has removed you from your support network. I assure you, that you are not as dependent on him as he made you believe.

27K is enough to live on your own. As you start your own life they will also be your own bills. You won't automatically get so many as there are now, because I am pretty sure he controls all the utilities in your house too. Futhermore, with regards to bills, you can set automatic payments. That why you won't have to remember them.

Start squirrelling away money and copies of paperwork. Make an exit plan. You are going to need it. Do all this in secret, because with everything else your husband has pulled on you, there is a good chance he will eventually turn violent.

Miasicarisatia · 18/05/2021 12:01

Are you there BrokenArrows?
you don't have to be broken!🙏💙

DeciduousPerennial · 18/05/2021 12:56

I’d lay odds that your husband is the root cause of a significant proportion of the issues in your household, including your anxiety to be perfectly honest.

LIZS · 18/05/2021 13:04

You need to leave, what example is this setting your ds? This seems like a long standing issue.

unicornsarereal72 · 18/05/2021 13:25

I can only echo what has already been said. Both my children have adhd. One with asd also. They are both great kids and will do just fine in life. They will cope better knowing full well that the way they think is different to others.

The mental health of a person who doesn't have a diagnosis is at risk. Not fully understand how or why they are different is detrimental to their well being long term. You need to be empowering your children.

My children's father dismissed mine and the schools concerns. He also didn't believe in mental illness etc. And was not sympathetic when I was depressed. His approach was to be more controlling of the children. They will conform and behave. His approach had a detrimental impact on our eldest. And pushed him to self harm. Dads 'toughen' up approach did not help in anyway.

He left me a few years ago. I thought I wouldn't cope. I thought we as a family would be worse off in so many ways. Both the children are flourishing. They have a safe home. Free from their fathers ways. I earn less than you do. I get no child support from their father and I'm lucky to get some benefits. We get by just fine. No fancy holidays etc. But the children are happier now than they have ever been. And would rather have the safe and happy home life over material things.

Flyg · 18/05/2021 13:48

Your life will NEVER get better while you stay with a man who, from what you have shared, is abusing you, controling and even tormenting you.

You give him all but £300 of your salary every month, even though he is on 100k? And he's worn you down to a point that you describe this as him doing you a favour so you dont have to remember things.

Constantly reminding you he is the only reason you have things, shouting at your son when your son is down on himself, telling you not to take meds prescribed to you, actively stopping your son getting help when he has said he might want to kill himself. He AWFUL.

You know the way you cried, and still do because all the ADHD things you listen to have finally allowed you to make sense of things, after not knowing for all those years? Well now you are allowing your son to continue living his life without knowing (if he has ADHD), you are doing the same for him.

He is a 9 year old kid, get him and yourself away from this. You son already speaks to you rudely, copying his dad, one day that will be how he speaks to his OH.

Get a solicitor now. You'll get assets, child support, universal credit and even get to keep more of your own salary.

Leave. Please, please leave.

Ps I was antidepressants for a short time, it can help people short or long term, it helped me for about 9 - 12 months just to calm down and see things clearly. Im not on them anymore, life is so much easier without my ex, who doesnt even sound as bad as your 'D'H.

BrokenArrows · 18/05/2021 17:33

@Nannyamc

Please look after yourself first. Your anxiety with your son and husband is overwhelming. You are controlled by him. You can only help your child if you can assert yourself. Money should not be any issue here. If we have learned anything from the last 15 months is that we can be happy. Children are our biggest priority and if you cannot protect yourself first you cannot protect them. Good luck.
Thank you. I'm just getting a chance to come back to this. And yes, I feel this is the way I will need to go first. He was furious with me when I tried to get our son help, and was trying to set me up to take the blame if our son doesn't get into the chosen school because I have apparently put up red flags on his file with the mention of ADHD. I feel now that the best thing I can do is fight for a diagnosis for my self and get the help and medication I need so that I can reinforce to my husband that there is a genetic link and show him hopefully what a difference the medication makes for me. I hate the way I am right now and it tears me up every day that I'm not a high functioning person ever though I'm super smart and creative. Sad
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LIZS · 18/05/2021 17:39

But you should be doing it for yourself and your ds' benefit, not to prove anything to your h.

BrokenArrows · 18/05/2021 17:47

@JackieTheFart

Wow. I wonder if your mental health issues would get a bit better if you didn’t have a husband who was constantly angry and livid about perfectly reasonable stuff, or who stopped things from happening that are a) nothing to do with him and b) based on the totally ludicrous reasoning of not ‘believing’ in them.

Your husband is abusive and you might have ADHD but you might just have had your entire personality beaten down over the years of his behaviour.

I think you’d find things would dramatically improve if you left him, even if you didn’t maintain your current standard of living. You’re allowed to enjoy your own life.

Thank you. My mental health is not good at the moment, and hasn't been for quite some time. He is the victim in all of this in his eyes. It's a constant tale of 'why me' he is jealous of everyone around him and pushes his family away and pits me against them because he is frustrated with them that they don't include us in their family holidays, etc. I think it's ridiculous because they are his aunts and uncles, but anytime I try and voice that in a reasonable way I get shot down and proved wrong. He had big plans for us to be a power team running his business, but I've let him down because I can barely keep up with my own job, let alone the kids, the house stuff, myself, the business I tried to launch, etc. He's upset that his cousins have multi-million pound houses and we don't yet. But then he's fighting to do all of it ad provide for our family, so then I just feel like I'm being a burden and a barrier to it all.

I can't do anything right in his eyes despite me trying, and I get the blame for everything. It's hard, and it's soul destroying. He tells me that I put too much effort into my job and spend too much time doing it (I do, but the lack of concentration due to ADHD means I'm constantly behind, and I find it so hard to focus because I'm so mentally drained all the time that I just feel like sitting down and collapsing and relaxing). But at the same time he gets angry because I don't make enough money. I explained to him that if he wanted me to make more and get a raise I would need to work more. He then yells and tells me I need to think bigger picture and try and figure out something that makes money without me having to try so hard. Then he tells me I should quit my job and work in a shop (I have a business and marketing degree and work for a good company despite the shit pay) because at least the hours would be better with not much difference in pay. It's so damn confusing I feel like my head is going to explode half the time. No matter what I do I can't do anything right. I just hope that a diagnosis for ADHD will help me function better so that I can help out more. Confused

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category12 · 18/05/2021 17:49

You can't "prove" anything to a man like this. If you get a diagnosis, he will still poo-poo it.

Your problem is living with an abusive man. You would be able to function better without him bullying you, putting you down, yelling at you and making you feel incompetent.

BrokenArrows · 18/05/2021 17:50

I will have to come back to this. He's on his way home with our daughter who is crying and screaming in the car, and saying he is at breaking point and 'is just letting me know'. My kitchen is a mess and I need to get dinner started. I had my first telephone counselling appointment today and I cried the entire time. I just still feel so mentally drained from it. Nothing really came out of it other than her agreeing he was kind of controlling. Not really sure what the point of it was, or how they can help me other than to listen I guess Confused

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