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Have I ruined things for our son?

118 replies

BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 14:52

Apologies in advance as this is rather long and not sure if it belongs in Relationships (because my husband is furious with me) Mental Health or Child Mental Health 🥴

Bit of a long story, but I have suffered with my mental health off and on for years. During the first lockdown I came across some information online which made me realise I almost certainly have ADHD. All the struggles I’ve had in my day to day life, the depression, the anxiety, the self doubt and the lack of concentration all finally made sense.

Also during lockdown I was obviously spending much more time with my 9yr son that I normally did when he was at school and I was working FT. There have always been things that concerned me and worried me about my sons behaviour. He enjoys school and learning, but also gets very down on himself saying he’s stupid and he hates himself, and how everyone hates him (he has lots of friends). We went through a period where he would always talk about dying and how our lives would be better if he wasn’t around. He’d get upset with himself about one thing or another and then just say “I’m going to kill myself” This really upset me. I know for certain he had no intention of actually causing any harm to himself because he is also petrified of dying or anything to do with death and gets very anxious when anyone in the house has so much as a sniffle and gets worried they’re going to die. But I hated seeing him say those things. He has moments where he struggles with school work and throws his hands up in the air and wants to quit (I’m sure all kids do this), husband would get angry with him and they’d work on the homework together. Early on in school (years 1-3) the teachers would say he Interrupts the class And he couldn’t sit still. They would really work with him to find ways to learn and cope. We had an educational psychologist come and assess him in year 2 and he said my son was likely just still quite immature (he’s the youngest in the class) and that he was a very smart boy. Fine. Husband was completely relieved and says that those years were the hardest ever for him mentally and says how much stress that all caused him.

There are still things about my sons behaviour that concern me. At Nearly 10 he cannot sit still during a film. He is always getting up for snacks, the toilet, or to fiddle with the remote to see how much time is left. He cannot sit still at the dinner table. He’s constantly getting out and jumping on the sofa or flopping on the floor, jumping up on the counters, rocking on his chair, no matter how much I beg and plead, and eventually yell for him to just sit down. He is constantly making noises. Sometimes he will just all of a sudden make loud siren sounds, sometimes he’ll humm an annoying cartoon theme song, etc. It happens all the damn time. And it gets to the point where my sensors get overloaded and I lose my shit.

Going back to me, I got myself into such a bad state with my mental health a few months ago the prescribed me with antidepressants and therapy. Husband was not on board with the antidepressants and was furious when he found out I started taking them so I stopped. I had an initial call with the talking therapies person and I mentioned the fact I was anxious for my son and recapped the things I said above. They got very concerned about my son saying he wanted to kill himself even though I reassured him he would never do that. They told me that they would need me to call his Dr and explain and seek help for him or they would. This freaked me out so I called the Dr and told them why I was concerned. They referred him to be assessed for ADHD and recommended a few councillors for him to speak to that deal with childhood anxiety. I did not tell my husband any of this because I knew he would flip out at me. I was panicking at the fact that I was told I needed to contact the Dr about him and regretted immediately even mentioning it.

When the form came for me to fill out my husband intercepted it first and got so angry with me saying there’s nothing wrong with our son and that I’m causing life long issues for him now. Long story short I didn’t fill it out because it said if they didn’t hear back they would close his case, and that’s the result my husband wanted.

Well this morning the Dr calls my husband saying they never got the completed form back, and he’s confirmed with them he wants the case closed. But they’ve said they’re going to follow up with his school (private). We have spent the past few weeks looking at private secondary schools for my son and now my husband is livid with me for stirring this up and says I have compromised the chances for my son to be accepted into ons of the private secondary schools we’ve been looking at him getting into. Husband is furious with me.

So my question is kind of two parts: Have I ruined my son’s chances to get into his chosen private secondary school? He had no formal adhd / learning disability diagnosis on his records. He is also very smart and at or near the top of his class for most subjects. (But just because someone has ADHD doesn’t mean they’re stupid. We just process information differently).

And secondly, does my child’s behaviour (the running, jumping, the constant noises, and anxiety and self doubt), sound like that of a normal 9/10yr old? Am I worrying about nothing? I have no idea anymore. My husband is constantly telling me how I’m making issues out of nothing. He doesn’t believe in ADHD either and thinks my own self diagnosis is all in my head and that I’m looking for excuses. I am on the waitlist for a diagnosis. I’m so torn now and I just know I’m going to be made the bad person and be the brut of arguments with my husband because of all of this.

OP posts:
nixonten · 17/05/2021 17:38

I am joining with the others. I say you shouldn't set yourself against anti-depressants. I know two people, extremes and rare yes, but without the meds they would not still be alive. There was another thread recently about this. I posted; because one is not working, go back and change it.
Qualified people are not always right but they are better than the unqualified.
You will have to take charge sometime. Better sooner.

Sakurami · 17/05/2021 17:42

I know a lot of kids that age and they have ants in their pants so I wouldn't be too concerned. I would be really worried about the suicide thing though and I would watch him like a hawk and get help. He may not have meant it but it's a hell of a risk to take!

And who the fuck does your husband think he is going against the advice of professionals?? He doesn't get to decide - you decide!

BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 17:45

Wow, thank you all for your replies. I wasn't expecting so many.

First of all I will say that for those of you jumping to the conclusion about me just leaving and divorcing my husband, that simply isn't an option for me. Unfortunately I am financially dependent on him. I have no savings, and my job does not pay very well at all, while he runs his own company and is the reason he can afford to send our children to private school. He is a good dad and does a lot for our children. All school drop offs and pick ups, he does all the homework with our son, takes him to and from all of his sports clubs and activities. Without him and the effort he makes we wouldn't be living the way that we do, and I do appreciate it.

That being said, he definitely has a negative impact on my mental health a lot of the time. That combined with my already low self esteem and self worth and confusion as to why I am so shit at life due to what is most likely ADHD have really taken their toll on me this year. I'm struggling to cope.

He suffered a life changing injury that almost killed him a few years ago, and things have been a lot worse since then. It's a constant state of "why me" and I'm made to feel guilty because 'I don't do anything' and he does 'everything' still despite almost dying. I think that's where some of my son's medical anxiety comes from and why he worries so much when anyone is sick. He's very afraid of actually dying. He often gets very down on himself saying 'he sucks' and 'he's no good at things'. Husband then yells at him and gets angry because he's always saying negative things about himself. I would like to get my son some counselling, but cannot afford to pay for it my self, and it would also require me to tell my husband about it and I know he would be angry and say my son does not need it and that I am creating issues that don't exist. My husband prides himself on being the best dad in the world and doing everything for our family, and believes that no one else in the world does as much as he does.

I will try and come back after dinner and reply to the individual comments.

OP posts:
GrumpyHoonMain · 17/05/2021 17:51

@BrokenArrows

Wow, thank you all for your replies. I wasn't expecting so many.

First of all I will say that for those of you jumping to the conclusion about me just leaving and divorcing my husband, that simply isn't an option for me. Unfortunately I am financially dependent on him. I have no savings, and my job does not pay very well at all, while he runs his own company and is the reason he can afford to send our children to private school. He is a good dad and does a lot for our children. All school drop offs and pick ups, he does all the homework with our son, takes him to and from all of his sports clubs and activities. Without him and the effort he makes we wouldn't be living the way that we do, and I do appreciate it.

That being said, he definitely has a negative impact on my mental health a lot of the time. That combined with my already low self esteem and self worth and confusion as to why I am so shit at life due to what is most likely ADHD have really taken their toll on me this year. I'm struggling to cope.

He suffered a life changing injury that almost killed him a few years ago, and things have been a lot worse since then. It's a constant state of "why me" and I'm made to feel guilty because 'I don't do anything' and he does 'everything' still despite almost dying. I think that's where some of my son's medical anxiety comes from and why he worries so much when anyone is sick. He's very afraid of actually dying. He often gets very down on himself saying 'he sucks' and 'he's no good at things'. Husband then yells at him and gets angry because he's always saying negative things about himself. I would like to get my son some counselling, but cannot afford to pay for it my self, and it would also require me to tell my husband about it and I know he would be angry and say my son does not need it and that I am creating issues that don't exist. My husband prides himself on being the best dad in the world and doing everything for our family, and believes that no one else in the world does as much as he does.

I will try and come back after dinner and reply to the individual comments.

It seems like your MH issues have taken a toll on the family but he’s got to understand that your taking medication will improve things for him too? Honestly, in your postion, I would just take charge of my health regardless of how he feels about it. You clearly need medication and by taking it you will be able to take on some of the stuff he can’t.
tellmetologoffIamaMNaddict · 17/05/2021 17:53

I am just about to speak to the GP about diagnosis. I have been told about Right to Choose. Have you heard of this? The organisation ADHD 360 was recommended to me. They will send you a letter for your doctor and you could have diagnosis in a couple of months.

Sorry, I skim read your OP but just wanted to respond on the ADHD thing. I have no kids or husband and I can only imagine having even a supportive partner would be, let alone an unsupportive one. There is a whole tribe of us creative but slightly forgetful people out there and from what I hear treatment is life changing. PM me if you want to chat.

TheFormidableMrsC · 17/05/2021 17:54

You have described my son who also has a diagnosis of ADHD. The siren sounds are a particular issue as he does them everywhere and can't stop himself. Your husband has done your child a massive disservice by stopping assessment. Without that he will not be able to access the right support, private school or not. It's nothing to do with intelligence. He sounds extremely controlling and I'd be reconsidering my marriage if I were you.

tellmetologoffIamaMNaddict · 17/05/2021 17:54

PS. I was on antidepressants for years and they helped a bit but you need a proper diagnosis to get to the root cause and the proper medication. I am told ADHD medication is the most effective psychiatric drug there is

I will let others respond on relationships stuff. I am useless at those.

Choice4567 · 17/05/2021 17:55

But he isn’t a good dad. Doing some good things doesn’t make up for abusing you both. Which is what he is doing by denying access to mental health solutions

OodieWoodie · 17/05/2021 17:59

Your DH is denying you and your child medical care. He is not a good father. He is abusive.

I'm surprised that the GP has not referred your child to social services, based on the fact they have expressed suicidal thoughts and their father won't allow them to be treated for this.

WhipperSnapperSteve · 17/05/2021 18:00

prescribed me with antidepressants and therapy. Husband was not on board with the antidepressants and was furious when he found out I started taking them

What an idiot, does he impact your mental health. You should be taking them, and he should be fully supportive.

WoolyMammoth55 · 17/05/2021 18:10

OP your post made me think of this advice column from the Guardian this past weekend:
www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/may/16/my-fiance-is-trying-to-control-me-and-stop-me-seeing-my-parents-mariella-frostrup

Mariella's advice IMO is spot on and largely relevant to you as well. It doesn't matter what aspects of your life your husband is controlling - he HAS NO RIGHT TO CONTROL YOU. It's called coercive control and is a form of domestic abuse. You would do well for yourself and your son if you address this huge problem in your family, as an equal priority alongside your MH issues.

It's very, VERY unusual for a child to grow up without damage when there is domestic abuse in the home. So any "ruining" of your son's life is most likely down to the unhealthy dynamic between you and your controlling and abusive OH. On the other hand, the ADHD is most likely treatable and there's no reason he shouldn't live a full and happy neurodivergent life.

Wish you all the best going forward X

Phineyj · 17/05/2021 18:14

Hmm, your husband has a bit of a saviour complex, doesn't he, and is an abusive bully to boot!

I agree with others re the schools. It's the academic ability they're interested in. The diagnosis wouldn't make a difference to that. It would be a good idea to look at the schools' pastoral set up though.

I work for a somewhat posh independent and a significant fraction of our students have a diagnosis of one sort or another.

I have a child with ADHD and ASD and the diagnosis was a relief as we realised it of her problem behaviour isn't intentional.

Polkadots2021 · 17/05/2021 18:27

OP I'd have at least anxiety & maybe over time depression living with someone like your DH. He sounds awful. As for medication - you need to take these, else things could spiral and become a lot worse. These medications can be managed out and monitored. Your DS might have ADHD or might not but if you stay with your DH I just have the feeling he's going to mess up things for your son whatever route you end up taking.

Flowers500 · 17/05/2021 18:37

You can’t let this continue, you are allowing your child’s life to be ruined and put in danger. Don’t be surprised if you have social services at your door soon...

tara66 · 17/05/2021 18:38

OP have you ever told your DH that he is not a qualified doctor, pediatrician , pychologist or even a homeopath so where does his medical knowledge come from?

TravellingWanabee · 17/05/2021 18:39

I can't answer the first question about whether it's ruined your son's chances, but in regard to the second - my son has ADHD and all of the symptoms you describe. That said, apparently these symptoms are very common in a lot of children up until the age of 7 at which point most kids tend to grown out of them, but this is why they like to wait to do assessments, in caseit's just typical behaviour for that age, which they'll grow out of later.

As you son's 9, I would say there is a strong chance he could have ADHD, if the symptoms aren't lessening.

As with anxiety/depression, your DH needs to understand these aren't things to be ashamed of, and taking appropriate medication to help isn't wrong or "weak" either. I'm shocked you stopped the anti-depressants on his say-so, he has absolutely no right to dictate what you can and can't take.

For your son, he does have a 50-50 say, but this is something you should be exploring together. You could put it to him that you just want to "rule it out" in order to be able to find other solutions to help him, and perhaps by talking to the experts himself, he'll see that actually, a diagnosis and appropriate care/medication will help him in the long term.

And lastly, I wonder if your DH needs some counselling to help him come to terms with his own struggles?

DreamingNow · 17/05/2021 18:39

Your DH reaction is very short sighted imo.

Whatever the cause, your ds is struggling and needs support. Why is he refusing that? Is he afraid that thye school knowing he has a diagnosing will stop his ds to go into some of the schools? Does he ralise that if your ds isn't getting the right support and is thrown in a school wi the right support, THIS can be extremely damaging to him??

As for ADs, well... yes it might be that your symptoms are linked to peri menipause. I'm struggling with those atm. bit again, who is he to think he can just rule out what the GP says and demand you stop medication on his say, wo a discussion woith the GP? ConfusedShock

I totally appreciate the feeling trapped financially (Im actually in the same boat) plus please, don't beat yourself up as if YOU were the one to create issues. You are not.
YOU need the support that counselling can give.
Your ds needs support too. Even if he doesnt actually mean to kill himslef, he certainly struggling. That was BEFORE you talking to the counsellor. You havent created that.

Maybe your DH could try and explain to the GP too why he doesnt want his ds to be assessed or supported even thugh he is having a very hard time. Because 'not getting to the best private school in the area' doesn't cut it.

DreamingNow · 17/05/2021 18:43

For your son, he does have a 50-50 say, but this is something you should be exploring together.

Actually when a child is saying they want to kill themselves, therebis no discussion about having a 50-50 say. The safety of the child comes first. Whihc is exactly why the counsellor immmediately reported that to the child's GP and triggered a review.
That's also why the GP did a follow up even though the OP didn't fill the sheet up.

This is big red flad scenraio there.

Shouldbedoing · 17/05/2021 18:45

That's abuse pure and simple
Denial of access to health care and money.

Shouldbedoing · 17/05/2021 18:46

Coercive control

Sakurami · 17/05/2021 18:51

And also don't you have access to money? I bet he controls that too. You know that because you're married you would be entitled to money and somewhere to live? I bet your mental health and that of your son's would be loads better if you didnt have to live with him.

litterbird · 17/05/2021 18:53

Your last post is trying to explain away and excuse your husband. The facts are 1) your son needs help 2) you need help 3) your husband is stopping this. I will say this again. Stand up for yourself and your son. No reasoning about what has happened in the past can ever come between getting your son immediate MH help for his suicidal thoughts. No more explanations, just action.

HoldontoOneMoreDay · 17/05/2021 18:53

Oh sweetheart, he's not a good dad. He really isn't.

He controls you and your son's access to healthcare and he controls your access to money. That's not the actions of a good person.

He's feeding you a line that because he 'works so hard to provide for you' he's a good man. He isn't acting like one. Now, that may be because of his life-changing injury, it is very common for people to 'switch' personalities when something like that happens and I agree that it can then be very difficult to move forward because you love the person you fell in love with... But that person doesn't exist any more.

Hen2018 · 17/05/2021 18:57

What a dreadful man.

But of course you can get divorced. You can get a mesher order to stay living in the house until your son is 18. You will be entitled to 50% of any savings/the value of the house etc plus pensions. There is no argument about that.

Then there will be child maintenance. I can’t remember the % that will be taken for one child - 10% ?

Hen2018 · 17/05/2021 19:00

And ADHD isn’t the end of the world. My older son has it. He was also gifted and talented, top of his class all the way through school and now enjoying work. He still can’t sit still!