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Have I ruined things for our son?

118 replies

BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 14:52

Apologies in advance as this is rather long and not sure if it belongs in Relationships (because my husband is furious with me) Mental Health or Child Mental Health 🥴

Bit of a long story, but I have suffered with my mental health off and on for years. During the first lockdown I came across some information online which made me realise I almost certainly have ADHD. All the struggles I’ve had in my day to day life, the depression, the anxiety, the self doubt and the lack of concentration all finally made sense.

Also during lockdown I was obviously spending much more time with my 9yr son that I normally did when he was at school and I was working FT. There have always been things that concerned me and worried me about my sons behaviour. He enjoys school and learning, but also gets very down on himself saying he’s stupid and he hates himself, and how everyone hates him (he has lots of friends). We went through a period where he would always talk about dying and how our lives would be better if he wasn’t around. He’d get upset with himself about one thing or another and then just say “I’m going to kill myself” This really upset me. I know for certain he had no intention of actually causing any harm to himself because he is also petrified of dying or anything to do with death and gets very anxious when anyone in the house has so much as a sniffle and gets worried they’re going to die. But I hated seeing him say those things. He has moments where he struggles with school work and throws his hands up in the air and wants to quit (I’m sure all kids do this), husband would get angry with him and they’d work on the homework together. Early on in school (years 1-3) the teachers would say he Interrupts the class And he couldn’t sit still. They would really work with him to find ways to learn and cope. We had an educational psychologist come and assess him in year 2 and he said my son was likely just still quite immature (he’s the youngest in the class) and that he was a very smart boy. Fine. Husband was completely relieved and says that those years were the hardest ever for him mentally and says how much stress that all caused him.

There are still things about my sons behaviour that concern me. At Nearly 10 he cannot sit still during a film. He is always getting up for snacks, the toilet, or to fiddle with the remote to see how much time is left. He cannot sit still at the dinner table. He’s constantly getting out and jumping on the sofa or flopping on the floor, jumping up on the counters, rocking on his chair, no matter how much I beg and plead, and eventually yell for him to just sit down. He is constantly making noises. Sometimes he will just all of a sudden make loud siren sounds, sometimes he’ll humm an annoying cartoon theme song, etc. It happens all the damn time. And it gets to the point where my sensors get overloaded and I lose my shit.

Going back to me, I got myself into such a bad state with my mental health a few months ago the prescribed me with antidepressants and therapy. Husband was not on board with the antidepressants and was furious when he found out I started taking them so I stopped. I had an initial call with the talking therapies person and I mentioned the fact I was anxious for my son and recapped the things I said above. They got very concerned about my son saying he wanted to kill himself even though I reassured him he would never do that. They told me that they would need me to call his Dr and explain and seek help for him or they would. This freaked me out so I called the Dr and told them why I was concerned. They referred him to be assessed for ADHD and recommended a few councillors for him to speak to that deal with childhood anxiety. I did not tell my husband any of this because I knew he would flip out at me. I was panicking at the fact that I was told I needed to contact the Dr about him and regretted immediately even mentioning it.

When the form came for me to fill out my husband intercepted it first and got so angry with me saying there’s nothing wrong with our son and that I’m causing life long issues for him now. Long story short I didn’t fill it out because it said if they didn’t hear back they would close his case, and that’s the result my husband wanted.

Well this morning the Dr calls my husband saying they never got the completed form back, and he’s confirmed with them he wants the case closed. But they’ve said they’re going to follow up with his school (private). We have spent the past few weeks looking at private secondary schools for my son and now my husband is livid with me for stirring this up and says I have compromised the chances for my son to be accepted into ons of the private secondary schools we’ve been looking at him getting into. Husband is furious with me.

So my question is kind of two parts: Have I ruined my son’s chances to get into his chosen private secondary school? He had no formal adhd / learning disability diagnosis on his records. He is also very smart and at or near the top of his class for most subjects. (But just because someone has ADHD doesn’t mean they’re stupid. We just process information differently).

And secondly, does my child’s behaviour (the running, jumping, the constant noises, and anxiety and self doubt), sound like that of a normal 9/10yr old? Am I worrying about nothing? I have no idea anymore. My husband is constantly telling me how I’m making issues out of nothing. He doesn’t believe in ADHD either and thinks my own self diagnosis is all in my head and that I’m looking for excuses. I am on the waitlist for a diagnosis. I’m so torn now and I just know I’m going to be made the bad person and be the brut of arguments with my husband because of all of this.

OP posts:
Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 17/05/2021 19:00

I think your husband sounds like he is suffering with his mental health too. But he is in denial. If he thinks there are no children in private school with ADHD then he’s delusional, rich people have problems too Grin

The school will be more concerned about the denial of healthcare for your son and lack of acceptance for his behaviour.

It’s not necessary to bring it up during yours son’s application to the school if you don’t want to but when he is actually at the school you will need to be able to engage with them fully to get the best out of what the school can offer your son.

ADHD medication might be better for you op ? Can you get a full assessment from the gp ?

Frazzledfranny · 17/05/2021 19:01

It depends on the school OP I’m not going to lie. Some private schools welcome kids with additional needs - others don’t. Especially if it’s ADHD because parents do complain if their is disruption. Also parents keep a close eye on the intake of SN kids. The figures are shown in the ISI report.

What some parents do is leave the assessment till they are in the school then it’s harder for the school to kick them out on the grounds of discrimination.

OP I think your anxiety and depression come from being married to your DH.

Frazzledfranny · 17/05/2021 19:03

It’s not necessary to bring it up during yours son’s application to the school if you don’t want to but when he is actually at the school you will need to be able to engage with them fully to get the best out of what the school can offer your son

No it’s not necessary but your kidding if you think private schools are better at dealing with additional needs. They’d rather they leave.

category12 · 17/05/2021 19:07

Financially you might struggle on your own, but what price is your mental health and that of your son?

Living like this with this man is almost certainly at the root of much of both of your issues and certainly doesn't help. You may not care for yourself, but you need to consider the effect it's having on your son.

He yells at him for having low self-esteem. Just sit there and think about that for a minute or two.

The problem is not ADHD, it's being bullied at home.

He's not a great father because he is damaging your child emotionally.

If you divorced you'd have a claim on half the assets of the marriage. If you have a low income, you'd likely get a top up from UC. He would be expected to pay child support. You would be able to provide an emotionally safe home for your son and get whatever treatment/therapy is suitable for both of you.

Can you really afford not to?

JSL52 · 17/05/2021 19:10

You have a 'D'H problem. You sound worn down by him. Would he 'allow' you to take HRT ? Or similar. Of course am ADHD diagnosis wouldn't harm your son's chances at school.
Personally I'd tell your husband to fuck off , your anxiety will improve.

Dotell · 17/05/2021 19:13

Don't be silly. It is not normal for a child to be talking about suicide. You know it but you are going to shut up and not get him help because you are financially dependent on your husband.

JSL52 · 17/05/2021 19:14

PS he's not a good dad , he's emotionally abusing you both.
You could leave , it might be tricky financially but staying in a bad marriage for money will make you and your son's MH worse.

CaptSkippy · 17/05/2021 19:19

Your husband is an abusive man. You are your son would be doing heaps better if you left him. Please, don't ignore your doctor's adivce. In fact I would bring it up with your doctor that he is sabotaging the treatment of you and your son.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 17/05/2021 19:25

@Frazzledfranny

Yeah you’re right in a lot of cases, if they’re disruptive. Depends on the op’s son. Our school tolerate a lot !

TwinsAndTrifle · 17/05/2021 19:28

My eldest has ADHD and you've described your son as exactly how he is.

He's a royal pain in the ass, can't sit still, incredibly witty and clever, and in all the top sets at school. It's his superpower and his downfall all in one.

DH has ADHD too, and his is the more typical of what you'd "expect" someone with ADHD to be like. DS, I didn't realise the different forms and ruled it out because he wasn't bouncing off the walls, so to speak. It took one session with s specialist, to receive the diagnosis, it was so obvious to him.

Your son needs assessing. Mine, due to the hyperfocus element of ADHD has been selected as a child of interest for a university in the future. He's 12. Your husband sounds like a piece of work and needs to attend some appointments to understand how real this is.

Jesusmaryjosephandthecamel · 17/05/2021 20:01

The fact that you are minimising your son’s talk of suicide is very worrying, as is your husband’s controlling, abusive and neglectful attitude.

Lavender201 · 17/05/2021 20:05

I know it’s not what you want to hear, but it sounds like you need to leave your husband.

You need to take the antidepressants which your doctor has prescribed (if YOU want to), and your son needs assessing for ADHD which it very much sounds like he has.

EKGEMS · 17/05/2021 20:27

As a registered nurse I have had patients tell me the antidepressants have "saved my life." I actually think all three of you could use psychological evaluation-your son needs help and so do you. Your husband is using his anxiety to control all three of you.To have a husband or father dictate to you whether you take a prescription or your son be evaluated isn't on. It isn't normal for a child to verbalize suicidal ideation over simple mistakes. You clearly want what's best for your son whereas your husband is ignorant and fears the stigma of mental illness. You sound ground down and worn out. Please talk to women's aid or your doctor or your friends. You need help

GrumpyHoonMain · 17/05/2021 20:48

@Frazzledfranny

It’s not necessary to bring it up during yours son’s application to the school if you don’t want to but when he is actually at the school you will need to be able to engage with them fully to get the best out of what the school can offer your son

No it’s not necessary but your kidding if you think private schools are better at dealing with additional needs. They’d rather they leave.

Depends on how smart / talented the child is. Several of my nephews have ASD and still attended some very highbrow private schools - the schools did everything in their power to make them stay the course because all three were scarily bright, went into Oxbridge then Harvard / MIT. Two of them work in aeronautics now and 1 is a mathematics professor which is a profession we never thought that nephew would ever be able to do. But his private school pulled out all the stops to get him the best support. Two of my nephews have ASD kids of their own and they’re all getting top tier support.

Meanwhile other nephews with ASD have been thrown out of various private schools because while they are bright they aren’t talented enough for the schools to bother with. Care at Privates is always a bit hit and miss.

category12 · 17/05/2021 21:05

Private school's the least of the worries if a 10 year old is talking about suicide.

BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 22:06

So to clarify a few things and then I will reply to more specifics...

I do not have any family or relatives in this country to help me out, so if I leave him it will all be on me. As weak as it sounds, I'm not prepared to leave him at the moment for various reasons. Financially I cannot support myself or the kids. I make £27k a year and he makes over £100k at least. I don't actually know because it's his own business. I'm impulsive and not very good with money (a well known ADHD trait apparently). There are so many bills and monthly payments I can't keep track, so he takes care of that all to ensure they're paid on time. I give him the majority of my salary aside from £300 a month that I can use on my self. I am worried that if I leave I will not be able to afford a decent place to live, and I won't even be able to provide the kids with their own rooms and the things they're used to enjoying. I don't want to take that away from them. Family holidays, school, etc. I couldn't ever afford to do that for them. I also stay because at least when I'm here I can monitor what he says to them about me, because he is the type of person who makes back handed comments to purposefully manipulate and force his opinions onto the kids and others. He often talks rudely to me, and my son has picked up on this and does the same although I don't tolerate it from my son. But I really do worry how my son will treat his future girlfriends / wife so I try to reinforce why talking to me (and women) like that is unacceptable.

Regarding the medication my husband has deep rooted issues with doctors and the medical profession. This was made worse when they failed to correctly diagnose him with his medical issue several years ago and sent him home which nearly cost him his life. I am a very anxious person, and have always felt like I had so much potential but never knew how to actually achieve it. He has said this too. He is frustrated by my inability to achieve anything and contribute more financially to the household income. I think he is very resentful to me that he carries the brunt of the household bills. But he is trying to provide the best for us, but then gets angry at me because he says I have never struggled and that he's always been there to bail me out. I don't understand what he wants half the time. It's almost like he wants to watch me crash and burn but never lets me. I have PCOS which I honestly don't know a whole lot about. I was reading a book in the summer on it and how to help 'cure' it and many of the symptoms it mentioned I had such as anxiety and depression, so then I thought well maybe my issues are all related to PCOS so I told him about them and wanted to explore getting my bloods and hormone levels done (then I forgot about it after a couple weeks - ADHD?) But a few months later I came across some information that led me to believe that I've had AHDH my entire life and have never been diagnosed. Everything I researched made sense. I joined FB groups and listened to podcasts and suddenly I thought OMG these are my people!! I'm not stupid or lazy. I just cannot actually process things like normal people could. I cried for days and still cry about it. Long story short, he does not believe in ADHD so I cannot talk to him about it or try and ask him to listen to any podcasts to make sense of it. He says everyone has moments of forgetfulness and things they find hard to concentrate on but they just need to power through it. He just said I was looking for anything to use as an excuse. I am waiting 8 months now for a diagnosis appointment and am just so anxious to try and get on medication so I can hopefully restart my life and make something of myself like I've always wanted. I don't feel that I can talk to him about it though until I get an actual diagnosis and then use that to help get my son one. I could go on and on about the things he has said to me that have confused me and messed with my mind (including empty threats of divorce because I didn't agree with his views on corona virus) over the past year. I was very depressed and it was affecting my work (which made it even harder that it already was with suspected ADHD to do my job).

Fast forward to the past few months and I've felt extreme brain fog (worse than it already was), I couldn't concentrate and focus, I was irritable as hell and my sons loud noises and outbursts would drive me crazy. The kids splashing in the bath making a huge mess - I just had to leave the bathroom so I wouldn't scream. My husband could see I was getting super irritated with life and would put me down and would make sly comments under his breath like "whoa whoa whoa" with hand gestures and rolling his eyes instead of helping when he could see I was struggling. It all got too much and I couldn't cope with work and I ended up taking a week off work (I never told him) and then making a Dr appointment who then signed me off of work for another week and putting me on anti-depressants. I was worried to tell my husband because I knew he wouldn't agree with it and I was right. He didn't agree with me taking them at all, and was quite upset but ultimately I was the one who did some further research on them and decided I didn't want to take them and be reliant on them in the future. Saying all that he was actually the one who suggested I get my hormone levels checked out (I think only because he mum had told him that she had to go to a hormone clinic because she didn't feel herself after she gave birth to my husband and had some kind of hormone therapy). He found the name of the clinic she went to 40 years ago and sent me the link and told me he'd pay for a private appointment for me. So I've got one near the end of the month to discuss my PCOS and my potential peri-menopause and HRT. I don't understand how he is supportive of that but not anything else he sees as more 'main stream'.

I have my first 'Talking Therapy' appointment on the phone tomorrow and really don't know where to start or what to say. Because when I voiced my anxieties and how my sons issues were contributing to my worries that set off the chain of events that I mentioned in my first post. I have since had to lie to the people when they call to check in on me and ask if I've got my son help. I just want to get myself a diagnosis first now so I can use that as leverage to try and help my son.

Sorry. this has been really long!

OP posts:
BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 22:11

@lydia2021

This lad sounds bored to me... so I think hes very intelligent but it's not utilised properly. Your h is a whole other ball game... its sounds as if, if theres anything even remotely lacking in his family. Then he feels a failure. Hence his banning of your tablets and the boys form filling. I would be on tabs if I had a controlling husband such as him. Whoever you spoke to re, doctor, about the lad are right. They can and do intervene in a child's welfare outcomes. I think it comes under neglect of his needs. I could not tiptoe around this man, but I can understand your need to help your son. Talk to your doctor about h, and get support
I don't think my son is bored. He's in almost every kind of after school club and activity. He's not really allowed much computer / iPad time during the week. He usually gets home about 5, does homework and relaxes a bit while I cook dinner and then a bit more homework after dinner and before bed.

I do worry about him though because he is generally so kind and caring. He is the sweetest boy in the world. But he regularly says he was born different. And that his brain is different. So because of that I think he subconsciously even realises he likely has something like ADHD. I worry for him, but I can't help him at the moment despite my efforts.

OP posts:
BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 22:18

@maskface212

OP your post is very worrying and you sound overwhelmed. I'm so sorry things are so difficult for you right now.

First of all I'm wondering if you can go private regarding the ADHD diagnosis rather than waiting? This would certainly speed things up a bit. There's some info here you might find useful: adhdaware.org.uk/what-is-adhd/getting-nhs-diagnosis/

There could be any number of reasons for your son's behaviour. He may need more exercise if he finds it difficult to sit still. He may be reacting to the atmosphere in the house which sounds tense and angry. You sound very tense OP and your husband sounds irritable and easily angered. He sounds like a bit of a bully and controlling. You are an adult, he doesn't get to dictate to you whether or not you take medication.

There's info here you might find helpful: www.understood.org/take-note/en

You can contact the national helpline for a chat to see if he is abusive: www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/ If you don't feel comfortable on the phone to them, you can chat to a trained adviser.

I think you're wrong not to take your son's talk of suicide seriously OP. I think it's important that you follow that up as suggested.

There's an organisation called Young Minds who have a helpline:
0808 802 5544 from 9:30am - 4pm, Mon - Fri where you can talk about your son's mental health and get some support and advice.
youngminds.org.uk/find-help/for-parents/parents-helpline/

There's an organization called Family Lives: www.familylives.org.uk/ they have a helpline and may be able to signpost you or advise you further as well.

Are you receiving any therapy or counselling? (yes, I know your husband doesn't believe in that, but you sound overwhelmed and it might help to discuss all this with someone kind and impartial) You can try BACP for a therapist.

Thank you for these. Yes, I am quite tense and anxious these days. I bottle it in because I don't have anyone else to talk to. Any friends I have also know my husband and I don't like to air my dirty laundry in public and then have them thinking we're such a mess of a family. I've ended up shutting out most of my close friends due to anxiety :-S

I have my first counselling session tomorrow. I'm very nervous and I don't know what to expect. I don't want it to open up a can of worms.

Thank you for the links though. I will be able to refer back to this post if I need them.

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category12 · 17/05/2021 22:20

£27K is more than I make Hmm. With a wage like he has and presumably assets to match, you would get a good settlement in a divorce.

You can put strategies in place to deal with bills etc. You set up direct debits and they pretty much manage themselves. With treatment and support, you could manage your ADHD properly.

Material stuff is all very well, but your child is suicidal. Fancy holidays won't do him much good if his mental health is completely fucked or he hurts himself.

At least you can afford the best private therapy - except your husband won't let him have any.

You are living in an abusive environment. Your son is suffering.

LIZS · 17/05/2021 22:28

Can you speak to Women's Aid. They will be able to talk through your options. He is abusive and controlling. You may find your mh would improve with him at a distance.

As to your ds, it sounds as if he would benefit from an assessment. Some schools would be more tolerant of his distractibility and lack of focus than others. To ignore his needs now could store up issues for later, even assuming it was not evident at assessment. Is there a linked senior school or must he change schools at year 7/9?

BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 22:28

@GroggyLegs

Aside from 'getting furious' about everything, has your husband done anything proactive, or positive to help either of you? Investigated other therapies for you or your son?

He's deliberately blocking you both from being or feeling well.

Honestly, my first thought was of he wasn't in the picture I wonder if you'd both feel 100x less depressed immediately.

Flowers

He is the one who does all the homework with my son, and keeps things organized. My ADHD (I'm assuming) means I'm dreadful for keeping on top of what homework is due, what uniform son is meant to wear on specific days, he organises all the holiday camps and extracurricular activities. He' also very resentful to me that he has to do all that. He's always telling me I need to step up and be a parent.

With regards to other therapies I mentioned above that he was actually the one who encouraged me to go see a hormone specialist because I'm acting so strangely and losing my temper all the time at home with things. He's supportive of alternative therapies and I think he sees HRT as that. I don't think he'd every physically stop me from taking any medication even if he wanted me to. But he's very vocal about what is acceptable and what is not. Like covid vaccine. He is very anti-covid vax. I am on the fence about it. I'm a very anxious person naturally and the reports of clots, missed periods, heavy periods with massive clots, month long headaches etc really worry me. I'm holding out on getting it until more research is done. At the same time I'm very worried about the new strain going around. And I worry if I have the vaccine I wouldn't be able to tell him I was having it. I worry he'd be very upset with me, and if I ended up getting ill from it that he would hold it against me and not have much sympathy.

OP posts:
LIZS · 17/05/2021 22:32

He has conditioned you to doubt yourself, and external advice, and do as he tells you. Is he the same with your dc?

nocoolnamesleft · 17/05/2021 22:37

He isn't such a wonderful dad. Failing to allow appropriate health assessment and care for his child is a form of neglect.

BrokenArrows · 17/05/2021 22:41

@tellmetologoffIamaMNaddict

I am just about to speak to the GP about diagnosis. I have been told about Right to Choose. Have you heard of this? The organisation ADHD 360 was recommended to me. They will send you a letter for your doctor and you could have diagnosis in a couple of months.

Sorry, I skim read your OP but just wanted to respond on the ADHD thing. I have no kids or husband and I can only imagine having even a supportive partner would be, let alone an unsupportive one. There is a whole tribe of us creative but slightly forgetful people out there and from what I hear treatment is life changing. PM me if you want to chat.

thank you. I have sent you a DM
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tortoiselover100 · 17/05/2021 22:41

Can you dump your husband, he's the biggest problem in everything you've written.

I'm a fellow adhd er and think your son probably has it.

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