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Eternally punished for cheating

129 replies

ScanScan · 25/04/2021 17:25

I have NC for this. I know Mumsnet hates cheaters and I'm the one that did in this situation. As with everything there are two sides and reasons etc which I won't bore you all with. I'm genuinely interested to know how people perceive this though and I'm sure I'll get some answers I won't like but every time we have a serious relationship issue or chat it always boils down to me being the "cheater" even if the issue discussing isn't to do with that. We're in a rough place and he's just said that I broke the trust so basically he's the better person over all. It's such a final response to the issue that I don't feel I have any comeback as my betrayal trump's any crap behaviour on his part. Is this fair? Should I always then end up to blame because of what I did years ago?

OP posts:
Pythone · 26/04/2021 13:38

The one at 13:36:42.

GappyValley · 26/04/2021 13:39

Sorry if I had misunderstood that

I read it as he was questioning you and then finally getting some truth from you and then you would go to sleep, which to me meant you hadn't been telling him the truth previously.

So when these late night sessions happened, did you not say to him 'let's just get all the details out, once and for all, so you know absolutely everything, as it happened and as I remember it'?

It was just the same pattern night after night where he grilled you for details, you gave them but he still didn't believe you?

Did you go for counselling at this stage? Or even read a book/listen to a podcast on how to get past it?

CousinKrispy · 26/04/2021 13:39

If he has chosen to remain with you, he should have accepted by now that he doesn't get to bring this up as a stick to beat you with every single time you argue about something unrelated. He had a choice to leave--as a matter of fact, he had a choice to leave when you asked him to leave previously, for being in contact with his ex.

A partner who doesn't leave when they are asked to do so is abusive and controlling in my book. Forcing another person to remain in a relationship with you by refusing to leave is extremely controlling and unhealthy.

Have you ever done the Freedom Programme, OP?

sunflowersandbuttercups · 26/04/2021 13:41

I think he shouldn't stay with you if he can't cope with what happened.

But I think very few people truly get over affairs - they're a huge betrayal. But that doesn't mean you can hold it over someone for the rest of their lives, either.

I would just leave, for both your sakes. Life is too short.

HoneyBeeHappy · 26/04/2021 14:34

One of the problems when someone has an affair is that everything that happened before that is wiped out completely. It’s as if the affair and the damage done by it trumps everything else, when often affairs are not black and white. That doesn’t mean that they’re acceptable, but it does mean that there are often circumstances which lead to an affair.

My DH was abusive. He would put me down, we went out for dinner one night and he was so derogatory about the way I ate something that I felt the only way past it was to leave the dinner uneaten.

He put all manner of obstacles in the way of me going back to work after I had DC. I had initially intended to be a SAHM but when I decided I wanted to go back there were far too many reasons why I couldn’t.

he put keyloggers on my PC to track what I was doing.

He took pictures of me naked which I didn’t find out about until we separated.

He put some kind of tracker on my phone and if I went out he would claim I’d been seen by someone with another man, when actually he’d just tracked me to where I was, and the “other man” was a friend of mine who he knew I had gone to meet up with.

When my first DC was born he told me that we had to have sex by my six week checkup, and although I didn’t want to, he made it clear the afternoon before my appointment that we would be going upstairs during the baby’s nap to make sure I could still have sex.

He proclaimed in front of friends what a great shag his ex was.

He insisted on moving away from our support network because it would be better for him and DC, what was best for me wasn’t a consideration. I moved to a town where I knew absolutely no-one, while the only thing that had changed for him was his address.

And then I started talking to someone online. And stupidly, after a few months, we met up, and we slept together, once.

And then I decided I wanted out regardless of the affair, I didn’t want to leave for OM, but I knew that the affair gave me a reason to get out, even though that meant he would be the one ending the relationship.

He did actually want to try again. But I had realised that I was free, so we went ahead with the divorce. And I have absolutely no doubt that if I’d stayed he would have made things even worse than he already had.

And yet me having had an affair had seemingly turned him into a saint overnight.

There is absolutely no question that having an affair was wrong. It is one of my biggest regrets and I can say hand on heart that I would never do it again.

But that doesn’t wipe out everything that went before it.

Once I’d had the affair I felt that I was no longer permitted to have ever been hurt by his abuse, because it seems that having an affair trumps everything else. So I walked away from the marriage, our mutual friends, I unfriended all of them so they didn’t have to feel awkward being friends with me when they knew what I’d done.

Over time some of them have come back and admitted they knew some of what he was like. Not least because he now treats his new partner the same way. But I will forever be “the cheater” while he will seemingly forever be the victim.

OP your DH sounds like an abuser. Having an affair is never justified. But it’s happened now, and it’s easy to see why. Now it seems that your guilt has led you back to the marriage because despite everything he’s done wrong in the past you’re the one who feels like the guilty party.

It doesn’t have to be that way.

Yes, you had an affair, and I’ll be honest, there will be people who will judge you for it.

But that doesn’t mean you owe it to him to stay in the marriage and be subjected to his abuse until he decides he’s prepared to move on.

It’s totally ok for someone to say that they couldn’t move on.

It’s absolutely not ok for someone to feel that that means staying in the marriage and using previous events as a stick to beat someone with.

Just as people say “if you’re not happy then you should leave not cheat,” the same applies for if you can’t move on. If you can’t move on then you leave. You don’t stay to make the other person suffer. That makes you no better than the person who cheated on you in the first place.

Bythemillpond · 26/04/2021 15:03

I think him going over things again and again is to deflect from his part in the run up to this affair.
If he was having an EA with his ex could he have taken it one step further?
Could he be the one that cheated first and the continuous questioning is so you don’t think about the part he played.

The fact he wouldn’t leave needs to be because he wanted to move on not for him to be abusive
He was abusive before the affair it just gave him more power after. Why would he leave if he has this much power

dontdoubtyourself · 26/04/2021 15:20

You took me quite literally there op.

Asurvivor · 26/04/2021 15:35

I honestly think that no relationship can ever be salvaged after an affair because it is such a huge breach of trust. Its like one person in the relationship has secretly decided that the relationship is over without telling the other person. That level of deception just goes too deep, and it would be best if the person who has their affair stops pretending things can go back to how they were - it just isn’t possible. The only time I have seen it work out are when both parties have an affair and then they each realise how devastating the breach of trust is and can honestly start their relationship afresh.

Tal45 · 26/04/2021 16:29

This is not a good relationship and doesn't sound like it ever was, even you don't seem to know why you ended up staying with him. He's not over this and may never be, when the trust is broken like that it's very difficult to repair, particularly if you have low self esteem. Do you really want to live like this forever more?

Dery · 26/04/2021 16:37

“This is not a good relationship and doesn't sound like it ever was, even you don't seem to know why you ended up staying with him. He's not over this and may never be, when the trust is broken like that it's very difficult to repair, particularly if you have low self esteem. Do you really want to live like this forever more?”

This. @ScanScan - from your updates, it’s really not clear why you’re staying in this relationship. Of course, he may be very hurt/angry if you go but it sounds really toxic. What’s keeping you there?

ScanScan · 26/04/2021 17:08

@HoneyBeeHappy thank you for sharing. Sounds like I'm in the same boat you were in. For you Flowers

Thank you everyone else too those who have been kind and those who have been brutal. I will just defend myself for a moment and say I'm not an abusive person. I've done something I will ways regret and I have to live with that too but it doesn't make me a monster.

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AmandaHugenkiss · 26/04/2021 18:18

OP I’ve been the partner who was cheated on, and whenever we had a fight it always came up; mostly me being angry and upset and hurt still but occasionally him.

I’ll be honest, if he isn’t over it by now then he never will be. He’ll never trust you, and he’ll use it against you constantly. The niggling doubt will always chew away at him.

Ask yourself why you cheated, and if you should have just left. Ask yourself why you are now staying. It doesn’t sound good for you.

My partner told me once he stayed because he felt like he deserved the punishment when I got angry and upset about it. It was weird, and made me think he deliberately antagonised me, and when we broke up it was a massive relief for me.

You will almost certainly both be happier if you separate.

SwimBaby · 26/04/2021 18:25

It sounds like neither of you are bringing out the best in each other.

Happygogoat · 26/04/2021 20:39

If someone agrees to move past cheating then yes there will be a period of adjustment but it can't be the "nuclear button" forever and doesn't preclude them from ever being in the wrong. You need to get back to mutual respect and boundaries. Yes you broke it but if the goal is to fix it and stay together then both parties need to earnestly try. That includes the "victim" recognising that to bring this up at every opportunity is toxic.

MrsMaizel · 27/04/2021 09:54

@Happygogoat

If someone agrees to move past cheating then yes there will be a period of adjustment but it can't be the "nuclear button" forever and doesn't preclude them from ever being in the wrong. You need to get back to mutual respect and boundaries. Yes you broke it but if the goal is to fix it and stay together then both parties need to earnestly try. That includes the "victim" recognising that to bring this up at every opportunity is toxic.
Just out of interest have you actually been in this situation ? I often wonder this about the people who post in this vein.
Ihatesalad · 27/04/2021 11:29

@MrsMaizel Ive been on both sides of the coin and I actually left my first marriage, simply because I experienced similar to the OP after getting found out, similar situation too as to why I got into that position. . I can honestly say now having been on the receiving end the simmering resentment is always there bubbling below the surface -- you can stay (I did), but as in the OPs case, the partner never really feels 100% the same again. Clearly some people do get past it , but I do wonder if they were honest with themselves they can 100% say hand on heart that they feel the same about their husband/partner. I guess it depends on the context of what 'the affair' was , etc as a one night stand when pissed is a bit different to a year of lies and deception etc.

Onthedunes · 27/04/2021 11:41

You have a completely different relationship now and it seems like you are pining for the respect, love and attention that comes with a monogamous relationship.

You cannot have that now because you ruined that, your partner will have been trying but it appears his thoughts are overwhelmed by your total disloyalty. He doesn't have to forgive you.

Ask him if he ever feels he could, this disrespect of you could last a lifetime do you want that ? If I was you I would cut your loses and start again with a clean slate and free your partner to find someone who believes in monogamous relationships.

clpsmum · 27/04/2021 11:41

Do you want to live like this? You were clearly unhappy enough to cheat and although things must be better now it's not healthy to live like this regardless of who is right and who is wrong. Just because he didn't cheat doesn't mean he hasn't done anything wrong. My advice would be to leave tbh. Life is too short to be unhappy and it's not for him to use this one mistake as a stick to beat you with for the rest of your life so that he's the winner. Get out! This isn't a dress rehearsal!

Bumblebee1980a · 27/04/2021 11:43

Don't want to read and run.

He has no right to do that. It's really unfair of him.

It happened years ago and you worked through it. Did you go to counselling?

It may be that he is finding it hard to get over. I can recommend Relate. It's needs both of you to be on board though. X

Bythemillpond · 27/04/2021 11:46

Onthedunes

I don’t think the partner in this was exactly monogamous. He was having an EA with his ex which led to the affair.

harknesswitch · 27/04/2021 11:52

I think it very much depends on what you're arguing about.

If it's about say housework, and he's not pulling his way (for example), is he saying that you're in the wrong to pick him up on his laziness because you had an affair? Then he's being unreasonable, if the disagreement is nothing to do with trust etc then he can't use this to get his own way.

If you're spending lots of time away from the house and at work and you're falling out over that, I can understand why he might feel insecure and not want you to do it.

Unfortunately I can understand him wanting to go over and over every detail in great detail. I did this after I found out my dh had an affair, it's all part of the process. You can't just expect to tell him once and then never revisit it. However he does at some point have to put it behind him.

It took me 3 years before I realised I'd never get over it and everytime we fell out I'd be annoyed in double, one for the actual issue then the affair would bubble over into the row. But that's mainly because he refused to give me the details so I never felt completely in the picture and felt he continued to lie to me by omission

JeanClaudeVanDammit · 27/04/2021 11:59

It’s pretty depressing that what appears to be bullying, control and abuse from a partner is apparently completely understandable because the OP cheated. Does being cheated on put such blinkers on the people posting here that they can no longer see this? They just see that she cheated and assume that she must be abusive, gaslighting, getting what she deserves? Or were you like this before - perhaps you think women who wear short skirts are asking to be sexually assaulted too.

Silverfly · 27/04/2021 12:02

OP this relationship is completely broken and dysfunctional. You need to leave.

24GinDrinkingOnceTheKidsInBed · 27/04/2021 12:07

You made your bed. IMO.

If you both can’t move past it, as in; even if one of you can’t move past it and brings it up to either play the guilt card or for whatever reason, then you need to break the relationship off. You will both be subconsciously unhappy forever.

Personally. I feel like if your not happy in a relationship, and your get as far as allowing another person so far into your life you begin to feel like you could have an affair or cheat on them; then break your current committed relationship off.

Why leave someone who is committed, loves and trusts you at home to be betrayed?

If you’re unhappy, leave. No questions asked - with the exception of abuse; I know people find that situation hard to leave; but assuming your trying to make the relationship work now.. he does not abuse you?

frazzledasarock · 27/04/2021 12:16

Why leave someone who is committed, loves and trusts you at home to be betrayed?

Her P was having an emotional affair at the time as far as OP is aware.

So not committed, loving and trusting partner waiting at home for her.